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post #2131 of 5391
1/25/10 at 9:37pm
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Originally Posted by DECJ View Post

Very interesting indeed.

Just curious, but when you first discovered the maximum volume function, was it off or was it on? ... the latter state I assume meaning that it is attenuating the output power of the amplifiers(?) In any regard, it's an interesting conjecture, but unless the 807 unit HTM got their hands on for their bench testing already had the maximum volume function activated by someone else (which I agree they probably wouldn't have detected), then it likely would have still been in its off or unattenuated state. Beyond that, we'll probably never know one way or the other (although it seems from the HTM testing results, that the 5 channels driven results were OK, and it's only when they drove all 7 channels that the power/channel dropped-off precipitously, and I assume having the maximum volume function inadvertently activated would have knocked-down all of the results across the board).

But betting "10 organic cheeseburgers"? ... geeze, that's no fun, and I'm not taking that bet. Now if it was 10 big beefy & juicy coronary-inducing cheeseburgers, well then, I might bite.

hi ... when I found the Max Volume setting on my 807, it was not activated. It is interesting to note that this setting when active can be turned up ... or down ... I have not messed with it at all so far ...

yeah .... when it comes to cheesburgers .... well ..... the bigger, the better, truth be told!
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post #2132 of 5391
1/25/10 at 9:46pm
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Originally Posted by mtwhickory View Post

The max vol theory doesn't explain how the 807 would do OK on 2-channel test and 5-channel test then drop drastically on the 7-ch test.

HT quote:
"This graph shows that the TX-NR807's left channel, from CD input to speaker output with two channels driving 8-ohm loads, reaches 0.1 percent distortion at 143.6 watts and 1 percent distortion at 168.7 watts. Into 4 ohms, the amplifier reaches 0.1 percent distortion at 240.2 watts and 1 percent distortion at 267.9 watts."

The answer I got back from Onkyo on the HT test was that the protection circuit kicked in because of the sine wave test on all 7 channels and this would not occur in real world use. I haven't gotten an answer back yet on why the 807 went into protection in this test and not other receivers including the 876.

I own a Kill-A-Watt device that measures the wattage draw of whatever is plugged into. I currently have my HT-RC180 plugged into. At volume levels exceeding 80db with the sub turned off (since my Sub is not powered by the RC180), I can NOT get my RC180 to draw even 150 watts of power! This is using the biggest action scenes on the latest Star Trek movie where all kinds of stuff is blowing up. Granted I'm only doing a 5.1 test, but I really think some members here are making a big to do about nothing. I have some hearing protection I use for shooting and I'll see what db level it takes to exceed 200 watts or if its even POSSIBLE listening to regular movie content.

I'll also try bi-amping the front speakers (Paradigm Monitor 11's) and testing again with the sub disabled. If that doesn't work I have some old Cerwin Vega 3 way 12" tower speakers I can use to create a 7.1 test scenario.

If anyone else is interested in testing themselves, NewEgg and Amazon sell these Kill-A-Watt devices for around $20.

Take care,
Brian
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post #2133 of 5391
1/25/10 at 11:47pm
i have experienced some problems lately with my tx-nr807:

1) on audio sources that output 32/64khz, enabling audyssey Dynamic EQ causes the audio to drop. The only workaround is to not use a 32/64khz source.

2) after being on for a few days, audio will drop completely for all sources. The only way to fix the issue is to unplug the unit and power it back on.

Hope these are addressed in a future firmware update!
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post #2134 of 5391
1/26/10 at 9:32am
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Originally Posted by BNut View Post

I own a Kill-A-Watt device that measures the wattage draw of whatever is plugged into. I currently have my HT-RC180 plugged into. At volume levels exceeding 80db with the sub turned off (since my Sub is not powered by the RC180), I can NOT get my RC180 to draw even 150 watts of power! This is using the biggest action scenes on the latest Star Trek movie where all kinds of stuff is blowing up. Granted I'm only doing a 5.1 test, but I really think some members here are making a big to do about nothing. I have some hearing protection I use for shooting and I'll see what db level it takes to exceed 200 watts or if its even POSSIBLE listening to regular movie content.

I'll also try bi-amping the front speakers (Paradigm Monitor 11's) and testing again with the sub disabled. If that doesn't work I have some old Cerwin Vega 3 way 12" tower speakers I can use to create a 7.1 test scenario.

If anyone else is interested in testing themselves, NewEgg and Amazon sell these Kill-A-Watt devices for around $20.

Take care,
Brian

That's awesome.

Try some music on All Channel Stereo.
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post #2135 of 5391
1/26/10 at 1:44pm
Another rookie question here...

This is my first receiver and streaming music (Pandora) is one of my requirements. do I need to have a networking receiver for this feature? Can I use my blu ray player to do the streaming? Is there a difference?

I have narrowed down my search to Onkyo RC180, 607 and Pioneer (1019 or 21THX). I like the Onkyo's but the fact that the pioneer comes with the ipod cable is a bit attractive. Too many choices
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post #2136 of 5391
1/26/10 at 2:11pm
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Originally Posted by psv76 View Post

Another rookie question here...

This is my first receiver and streaming music (Pandora) is one of my requirements. do I need to have a networking receiver for this feature? Can I use my blu ray player to do the streaming? Is there a difference?

I have narrowed down my search to Onkyo RC180, 607 and Pioneer (1019 or 21THX). I like the Onkyo's but the fact that the pioneer comes with the ipod cable is a bit attractive. Too many choices

You can use any source for Pandora, but you will need to hook it up as an external device via analog cable, optical or HDMI (depending on source). The HC180 supports it directly, so you access it via the "NET" function on the remote. It's no different than doing it via a net-enabled BluRay player but in this case, it's all in the receiver.

The Onkyo also has an iPod adaptor which is a small base + a special cable that hooks into the universal port on the back. It costs extra though and also has on-screen track info that is displayed on your TV. Note that you need to be careful which one you select (there are two different model iPod docks) to get maximum functionality on the Onkyo.

I've had the RC180 for a couple of weeks now and so far I've been very happy with it.
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post #2137 of 5391
1/26/10 at 2:42pm
thanks rworne for the good explanation. the extra ipod dock is easily 80 to 100$ more and the total budget goes over my target. Will make a decision soon
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post #2138 of 5391
1/26/10 at 3:06pm
the onkyo receivers with an ethernet jack are not worth the extra expense, hassle, and buggyness. The GUI to use the internet streaming sucks major ass and is terrible. In hindsight, I would not have purchased one with an ethernet jack. The redeeming quality is the DSX / Height feature though.
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post #2139 of 5391
1/26/10 at 3:54pm
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Originally Posted by thomasamiller View Post

the onkyo receivers with an ethernet jack are not worth the extra expense, hassle, and buggyness. The GUI to use the internet streaming sucks major ass and is terrible. In hindsight, I would not have purchased one with an ethernet jack. The redeeming quality is the DSX / Height feature though.

I agree it isn't pretty, but it does work well enough for me. The DLNA implementation - or the really poor handling of MP3's on my home network is the sore point with me. I don't know if a smaller library would work better, but my stuff is organized iTunes style: Artist Folder->Album Folder->MP3. Folder view works. Artist, Album, Genre all show items that are either wrong or play the wrong files.

Pandora and vTuner work well though.
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post #2140 of 5391
1/26/10 at 3:57pm
I have been using a Squeezebox Receiver, it blows away everything else as far as I am concerned. It supports everything you can think of.
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post #2141 of 5391
1/26/10 at 4:07pm
Hello All. I am thinking about buying the 807.. very close to pulling the trigger on it. Was wondering if you guys might have some suggestions before buying this system. The reason i am choosing to buy it is because of its price point and features. I ordered two RTI 12 speakers and a 12 inch POLK AUDIO sub to accompany my 12x17 room. hehe. I know the PA RTI 12's do require a lot of power in order to sound good. Was wondering if I should get a 2+ channel amp in order to power them. Which would you recommend?

Also... what type of center and rear speakers do you recommend? Quintet III?

I appreciate your thoughts. Thanks!

Shaun
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post #2142 of 5391
1/26/10 at 4:27pm
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Originally Posted by roufen View Post

Sub`s volume is set at 12oclock ,after Aydyssey Sub level is set to -8db ,all speakerS are set small cut off 80HZ(THX) , , still sub is so weak like it is not there but as soon as i set Audyssey /off sub is back alive

Interesting, I had the EXACT same problem with my RC180 after running the Audyssey setup. My SVS sub almost disappeared, it was like all my bass packed up its bags and left! For me disabling Audyssey EQ did not fix my problem but here's what did.

First thing I noticed was the level calibration for my SVS was -14db (seems kind of excessive lol) and that all of my front, center and surrounds were set to a 40hz crossover, while the sub was to 80hz(THX). As soon as I changed my front, center and surround crossovers to 80hz, THE BASS WAS BACK!!! (I had already changed my level calibration for the sub back to 0db in a previous attempt to fix it). When I turned the Audyssey equlization back my bass was still there. I popped Black Hawk Down in the PS3, went to the "F'ing Irene" scene and sure enough I could FEEL the helicopters again!

Hope this helps anyone else who's experienced diminished bass after running the Audyssey setup.

Take care,
Brian
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post #2143 of 5391
1/26/10 at 4:54pm
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Originally Posted by thomasamiller View Post

the onkyo receivers with an ethernet jack are not worth the extra expense, hassle, and buggyness. The GUI to use the internet streaming sucks major ass and is terrible. In hindsight, I would not have purchased one with an ethernet jack. The redeeming quality is the DSX / Height feature though.

Says you... It works great for me and I think it's quite convenient.
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post #2144 of 5391
1/26/10 at 11:29pm
most avr's come with ipod docks though they are usually brought as a extra add-on
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post #2145 of 5391
1/27/10 at 3:07am
shawn or psv or anybody else on a budget, the 807 is on sale (refurbished) at a4l for 699, that is a steal of a price

http://www.accessories4less.com/make...eceiver/1.html
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post #2146 of 5391
1/27/10 at 6:22am
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Originally Posted by thomasamiller View Post

shawn or psv or anybody else on a budget, the 807 is on sale (refurbished) at a4l for 699, that is a steal of a price

http://www.accessories4less.com/make...eceiver/1.html

Or for $40 more + free shipping, you could you could get a brand new one elsewhere. I've seen them for $699 new + free shipping in the past.
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post #2147 of 5391
1/27/10 at 7:23am
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Originally Posted by bpmoen77 View Post

Or for $40 more + free shipping, you could you could get a brand new one elsewhere. I've seen them for $699 new + free shipping in the past.

amazon & Newegg both have had them @ this price
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post #2148 of 5391
1/27/10 at 1:01pm
My first post here, apologize if inappropriate, let me know.

Consider biting the bullet to upgrade my 9 year old Sony 5.1 ProLogic AVR with ext. AC3 decoder.

Would you get the Onkyo TX-NR807 or the TX-NR1007 if the price difference between them is $300. Assuming you have only 5.1 speaker setup, and do not need 9.2?

I know each person has their own motivation to decide one way or another. That is exactly what I like to hear and try to get my head around if the TX-NR1007 is worth $300 more. I have no experience with Audyssey so dunno XT is how much better.

PS I have been reading both 807 and 1007 threads here.
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post #2149 of 5391
1/27/10 at 4:22pm
Here's another heads up for the shoppers.

Newegg has an "Open Box" 807 listed today for less than 1/2 the list price.
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post #2150 of 5391
1/27/10 at 6:18pm
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Originally Posted by Mounta1n View Post

Okay, I see what you mean. Yes, if you can bypass the crossover on your sub, go ahead and do so, you can also turn the crossover dial all the way up just in case. If you're following the directions, you should be fine.

Hey Mountain, I know your curiosity must be killing you in regard to my Audyssey calibration and subwoofer problem. Well I finally got to the lowest common denominator and checked my Sub cable and wouldn't you know I had plugged it into the wrong output on the receiver - the funny thing was I did get some low end signal from that wrong output and could hear it on the Sub. Good Lord - anyway I connected it properly and now I can do a level test on the Sub so I expect my Audyessy calibration to go ok now. If I can ever get a quiet house for an hour. Thanks again for your replies.
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post #2151 of 5391
1/27/10 at 7:41pm
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Originally Posted by thebigchu View Post

That's awesome.

Try some music on All Channel Stereo.

I played "Whoop there it is" Ultimix + version which has nothing but bass in All Channel Stereo mode with my front and center's set to full band, my surrounds are set to 80hz and my sub is disabled and at 80-86db (registed by my analog Radio shack SPL meter) the peak power draw my Kill-A-Watt has registered is 134 watts. I'm honestly afraid to go any louder than this for fear of damaging my speakers, my ears or both! I have my volume turned up to 72 using the absolute scale (not the db scale). I usually listen to movies in the 60 to 65 range.

I used this song on the assumption that driving woofers to create bass requires more wattage than the the midrange or tweeters would require.

Anyone else have any thoughts or feedback?

Take care,
Brian
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post #2152 of 5391
1/27/10 at 8:27pm
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Originally Posted by thomasamiller View Post

shawn or psv or anybody else on a budget, the 807 is on sale (refurbished) at a4l for 699, that is a steal of a price

http://www.accessories4less.com/make...eceiver/1.html

And the RC180 is available for a hundred less - same machine for the most part.

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Originally Posted by sanggarra View Post

My first post here, apologize if inappropriate, let me know.

Consider biting the bullet to upgrade my 9 year old Sony 5.1 ProLogic AVR with ext. AC3 decoder.

Would you get the Onkyo TX-NR807 or the TX-NR1007 if the price difference between them is $300. Assuming you have only 5.1 speaker setup, and do not need 9.2?

I know each person has their own motivation to decide one way or another. That is exactly what I like to hear and try to get my head around if the TX-NR1007 is worth $300 more. I have no experience with Audyssey so dunno XT is how much better.

PS I have been reading both 807 and 1007 threads here.

In my opinion the only reason to get the NR1007 would be for the extra 2 channels for wide/high speaker channels. The NR807 should work well - it has virtually the same features. And the RC180 is even less than the NR807 - just a few watts and features less than the 807.
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post #2153 of 5391
1/27/10 at 8:31pm
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Originally Posted by Mounta1n View Post

Y'know, I did notice that the network functions, and Remote Control and Firmware update are grayed out, if I go to them right after I turn the system on. At first I freaked out a little, then I thought it might just need some time to make the connection, waited a minute, went back into Setup and everything was as it should be, not grayed out. Perhaps you just need to give it time to establish the network connection? or maybe I haven't done enough network stuff with it yet to run into the problems you've seen. I like to hope it's the simpler solution though...

Nope, the system was on for a while. Really your network connections shouldn't take minutes to initialize. If so, that's again bad software. Network connections should take seconds at most, and that's if your receiver is unplugged. If it's plugged in, your network connection should always stay active.
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post #2154 of 5391
1/28/10 at 6:16am
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Originally Posted by sanggarra View Post

My first post here, apologize if inappropriate, let me know.

Consider biting the bullet to upgrade my 9 year old Sony 5.1 ProLogic AVR with ext. AC3 decoder.

Would you get the Onkyo TX-NR807 or the TX-NR1007 if the price difference between them is $300. Assuming you have only 5.1 speaker setup, and do not need 9.2?

I know each person has their own motivation to decide one way or another. That is exactly what I like to hear and try to get my head around if the TX-NR1007 is worth $300 more. I have no experience with Audyssey so dunno XT is how much better.

PS I have been reading both 807 and 1007 threads here.

I was in the same position you are in. I was trying to decide on the 1007 or 3007. I ended up with the 807 and I'm very happy with it. I don't need the extra channels of 9.2 and not really sure I will even use the 7.2, just nice knowing I have two extra channels to use if I want. I had a Integra DTR-7 that was aging, and the 807 replaced it. The 807 is very easy to set up, the Audyssey was spot on for me the first time, I ran it again just to make sure and doubled checked and spot on again. I just got my 807 about two weeks ago and no know problems. Video is in pass through I don't see and deterioration at all. I think the sound is little warmer and seems like more detailed in the mid's, highs overall very impressed for what I spent.
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post #2155 of 5391
1/28/10 at 8:51am
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Originally Posted by sanggarra View Post

My first post here, apologize if inappropriate, let me know.

Consider biting the bullet to upgrade my 9 year old Sony 5.1 ProLogic AVR with ext. AC3 decoder.

Would you get the Onkyo TX-NR807 or the TX-NR1007 if the price difference between them is $300. Assuming you have only 5.1 speaker setup, and do not need 9.2?

I know each person has their own motivation to decide one way or another. That is exactly what I like to hear and try to get my head around if the TX-NR1007 is worth $300 more. I have no experience with Audyssey so dunno XT is how much better.

PS I have been reading both 807 and 1007 threads here.


Hate to over simplify: I'd go with the 1007 if you need the expansion. Can't believe the 807 wouldn't have all the features you need?

My 807's in a 18x24 room; way more than enough power to drive my Def Tech's.

I'm have a relatively simple set-up: PS3 as Blu Ray; Xbox; Wii, cable box; and zone 2 amp for outdoor speakers.

Integrates well w/ all systems!
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post #2156 of 5391
1/28/10 at 10:10am
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Originally Posted by Knucklehead90 View Post

And the RC180 is available for a hundred less - same machine for the most part.



In my opinion the only reason to get the NR1007 would be for the extra 2 channels for wide/high speaker channels. The NR807 should work well - it has virtually the same features. And the RC180 is even less than the NR807 - just a few watts and features less than the 807.


If you live near a Fry's Electronics store (B&M) check them out. The 180 has been $600 almost every week like clockwork since late last year. I'm not sure if it's a 7 day or a Friday weekend sale, but take a look. That's for a new one.

And Amazon is actually less for the 180 considering you'd pay tax for the one in a store. You'd also have to lug a 50lb box.
Let UPS deliver it...
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post #2157 of 5391
1/28/10 at 10:16am
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Originally Posted by joe221 View Post

If you live near a Fry's Electronics store (B&M) check them out. The 180 has been $600 almost every week like clockwork since late last year. I'm not sure if it's a 7 day or a Friday weekend sale, but take a look. That's for a new one.

And Amazon is actually less for the 180 considering you'd pay tax for the one in a store. You'd also have to lug a 50lb box.
Let UPS deliver it...

He speaks truth.

I my 180 came from my local Fry's and wound up around the same price as Amazon with the tax figured in. I also got immediate gratification, which was nice.
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post #2158 of 5391
1/28/10 at 11:28am
Just been listening to two new 5.1 channel discs I found on the internet, both being rips of DVD-Audio discs.

First was the Doobie Brothers "The Captain and Me" from way back in 1973--that's 37 years ago folks!!!

What a sonic masterpiece they have made of this disc! "South City Midnight Woman" and "Dark Eyed Cajun Woman" simply knocked my socks off, rolled them up and put them both back on my feet again!

Last was Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon" and the experience was almost as good as the Doobie's was.

I am probably dating myself by citing these two albums. Yes, the classic rock era was the pinnacle of western civilization's music

This was using my Onkyo RC180, just so you folks know that this is relevant. I've never heard any stereo of mine sound SO good!!!
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post #2159 of 5391
1/28/10 at 11:49am
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Originally Posted by BNut View Post

Interesting, I had the EXACT same problem with my RC180 after running the Audyssey setup. My SVS sub almost disappeared, it was like all my bass packed up its bags and left! For me disabling Audyssey EQ did not fix my problem but here's what did.

First thing I noticed was the level calibration for my SVS was -14db (seems kind of excessive lol) and that all of my front, center and surrounds were set to a 40hz crossover, while the sub was to 80hz(THX). As soon as I changed my front, center and surround crossovers to 80hz, THE BASS WAS BACK!!! (I had already changed my level calibration for the sub back to 0db in a previous attempt to fix it). When I turned the Audyssey equlization back my bass was still there. I popped Black Hawk Down in the PS3, went to the "F'ing Irene" scene and sure enough I could FEEL the helicopters again!

Hope this helps anyone else who's experienced diminished bass after running the Audyssey setup.

Take care,
Brian

Interesting .... I am curious to know:

- How do you have your Audyssey Equalizer setting to "on" or "off"?
- Are you using manual equalizer settings?
- Is your Loudness Plus setting "off" or "on"?
- for "Preserve THX Settings" .. do you have that set to "yes" or "no"?
- In the Audio Adjust list .... in #6 LFE Level ... how do you have those settings set up (mine are currently set at "infinity")
- Are you using the Double Bass feature?
- How about the IntelliVolume setting ... where do you have that set?

I am always looking for greater bass ability out of my system ... right now I am close ....

if you have PayPal maybe I could send you a few bucks and get you hooked up on your favorite brand of beer? It does take time to answer a detailed question like this .....

Thanks for a moment of your time .... appreciate it!
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post #2160 of 5391
1/28/10 at 11:52am
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Originally Posted by Sitting Bull View Post

Just been listening to two new 5.1 channel discs I found on the internet, both being rips of DVD-Audio discs.

First was the Doobie Brothers "The Captain and Me" from way back in 1973--that's 37 years ago folks!!!

What a sonic masterpiece they have made of this disc! "South City Midnight Woman" and "Dark Eyed Cajun Woman" simply knocked my socks off, rolled them up and put them both back on my feet again!

Last was Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon" and the experience was almost as good as the Doobie's was.

I am probably dating myself by citing these two albums. Yes, the classic rock era was the pinnacle of western civilization's music

This was using my Onkyo RC180, just so you folks know that this is relevant. I've never heard any stereo of mine sound SO good!!!

very cool ..... so where is your best source for DVD-Audio disks?

thanks ....
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