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post #2221 of 5391
2/1/10 at 7:27am
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Originally Posted by yellowrubiu View Post

Is Newegg the best pricing source for the 807 receiver right now? Their price is $769.99.

MSRP is the only pricing allowed on this site and for good reason. As for that Newegg price your best bet is to google one of the 807's and go from there. However, on Saturdays Newegg does run one day only specials, so check their site on Saturdays. My feeling is if the difference between the 807 and the RC180 is meaningless to you the RC180 is a better buy. Do a compare between these two and see if that difference in price is worth it to you. If not the RC180 is usually less expensive, and almost the very same AVR.
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post #2222 of 5391
2/1/10 at 7:27am
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Originally Posted by Sound402 View Post

Up until end of last year I was very vocal about the 807 as a lemon.
I was experiencing clicking with commercials, no sound once in 10 to 14 days etc.. I did ask here on the forums what other people have done to eliminate the clicking and no sound (all this for a 5.1 setup). Well, I believe there is no such remedy unless you will update to 7.1. I have added 2 speakers on Dec 27th. and after re-calibrating with audyssey, I changed my settings to Audyssey DSX where ever was available, and for 2CH STEREO and ANALOG I selected the PL II Movie Audyssey DSX, as for the MONO I have DTS Surround Sensation.

After the switch, ALL CLICKING IS HISTORY and NO SOUND is history as well. (I keep my fingers crossed here).

My take is that the "clicking" is a design flaw of these receivers,as they should keep all 5.1 channels open same as it's done with Audyssey when source is changing.

I believe that your situation is very similar to mine where the majority of use is the cable/sat box. It was always OK with BD from PS3 except the Stream from Netflix where one click at loading was for 2CH only.

One more thing I have only HDMI connections (Cable Box, PS3, HTPC)

Hope it helps.

I've got the same clicking issue with the 807 even with a setup of a 7.1 system except that my last pair of speakers is set to Front-High. How are your speakers configured?

Thanks,
Mike
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post #2223 of 5391
2/1/10 at 7:48am
Well, I just integrated my new 805 into my HT as a pre/pro and I love it. Having been a prevous 605 owner I am glad to have the "control" back after running a "no receiver" setup for a while. I was surprised to find how warm the 805 got during use. I know that onkyo's can get quite warm and that's normal but I figured since I was only using it as a pre/pro and had nothing hooked up to the speaker outs the amp section would not be in use but it seemed just as warm as if it had been driving the speakers. Physically this doesn't make sense to me, without current flow there is no load and only a high electrical potential, like an unused wall outlet. When not in use there is a 15 amp, 120v potential there but if nothing is plugged in there is no consumption and no heat evolution, it's only potential. Is it normal for a pre/pro to heat up like that when the only thing in use is the avr's computer processing functions?
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post #2224 of 5391
2/1/10 at 8:03am
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Originally Posted by Sideofpotatos View Post

Well, I just integrated my new 805 into my HT as a pre/pro and I love it. Having been a prevous 605 owner I am glad to have the "control" back after running a "no receiver" setup for a while. I was surprised to find how warm the 805 got during use. I know that onkyo's can get quite warm and that's normal but I figured since I was only using it as a pre/pro and had nothing hooked up to the speaker outs the amp section would not be in use but it seemed just as warm as if it had been driving the speakers. Physically this doesn't make sense to me, without current flow there is no load and only a high electrical potential, like an unused wall outlet. When not in use there is a 15 amp, 120v potential there but if nothing is plugged in there is no consumption and no heat evolution, it's only potential. Is it normal for a pre/pro to heat up like that when the only thing in use is the avr's computer processing functions?

The amps and power are not the only heat generators. That HDMI board generates a lot of heat on its own. Cure it with a cheap solutions from Coolerguys.com. They have an excellent assortment of fan and kits for Home Theater equipment that work really well to keep any AVR or amp cool as can be. Prices depend on what you choose. Well worth the investment when compared to what you have invested in the rest of your equipment.
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post #2225 of 5391
2/1/10 at 9:13am
Completed the Audyssey set-up this weekend. Worked perfect. I do have a 7.2 set-up: Def Tech's all around - ProCenter 2000, Power Monitor 500's L/R and LFE x 2, and UIW63's in the ceiling for Surround and Surround Back.

Set-up went perfect; I have to say that the Audyssey set up my 7.2 system exactly as my former Pio Elite. Crossovers @ 80Hz.

One oddity... in my haste, I had orginally set up my 7.2 system with my surrounds swapped: Surr L was in the Surr R terminal and vis versa. Audyssey set up my crossover at 70Hz. When I corrected my Surr Back's, did the set-up again, and my crossover is at 80Hz. Small difference; mentioning as it's curious.

Net/Net: my audio sounds great, pure, clear and forceful!

So far - one month in - I'm very happy w/ the 807.
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post #2226 of 5391
2/1/10 at 11:19am
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Originally Posted by madurodave View Post

I see something similar on my receiver. When I turn it on, it takes a couple of minutes for network functions to go from grayed out to functional. I believe it is going through a check and handshake with the network. Just give it a couple of minutes without turning it off/on. It should clear up and show active again.

The network functions are usually disabled likely because the DHCP handshaking has not completed yet and the receiver does not yet have an IP address. My DHCP setup at home is pretty quick handing out addresses and it takes way less than a minute (I think less than 30 seconds) for network functions to become available. I haven't timed it, but I power on, wade through the menus and it's greyed out. A few seconds later, it becomes active.
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post #2227 of 5391
2/1/10 at 12:51pm
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Originally Posted by Sitting Bull View Post

I have the 180 and use a phantom centre channel with my Magnepan MMGs. I have no trouble at all. A sub is not necessary and I know of no troubles using side surround speakers (DSX mode).

Perhaps not relevant, but FYI I was going to go phantom center as well but Chris at Audyssey said they strongly recommend against that when using DSX Wide, because the center information fed to the L/R will be sent to the Wides as well.


What does "side surround speakers (DSX mode)" mean? You don't need DSX to have side surrounds.
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post #2228 of 5391
2/1/10 at 1:31pm
sharan i own the onkyo 807 myself since a few days, who i have connected to 2 new mordauntshort avant 916i speakers (the rest of the speakers to create 7.1 i still have to receive) first i think the avr is realy amazing. but to come back to your problem, i have the same problem but iam convinced this problem has to do with the lastest firmware update and i presume you ran this update. I claim this because i was able to play flac files from the network on the 807 after the update i get the same error "cann't play file"
i saw a few tips on this forum but they did not help me, one is to enable controle , do this at hardware setup-network- enable controle , plus i read to open some ports sorry i cant remember the 2.
personly i mailed onkyo to, reading your thread this will take weeks, so i will phone them tomorrow. greetz
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post #2229 of 5391
2/1/10 at 2:14pm
I was wondering about the 2 channel sound quality or the 807 vs. the 1007?
Has anyone tested these back to back to see if there are any noticeable differences in audio quality?

Im looking for a receiver to replace my Onkyo 705 (which is going upstairs for my PS3) and I want a receiver that will play loud and clear on movies (My room is 18' x 28' x 9') but also sound great on two channel music! (Using Paradigm Studio 20 speakers)
other receivers or combos that I am considering:
Marantz SR-6004
Onkyo TX-sr707 with external amp for the front channels, Emotiva, NAD, or Parasound.
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post #2230 of 5391
2/1/10 at 4:23pm
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Originally Posted by mikebtp View Post

I've got the same clicking issue with the 807 even with a setup of a 7.1 system except that my last pair of speakers is set to Front-High. How are your speakers configured?

Thanks,
Mike

Mike,

If you are still experiencing the clicking with 7 speakers after you have done Audyssey Setup then I would thing you did NOT set the Input sources to Audyssey DSX and PL II Movie Audyssey DSX respectively, Right now I have no access to the receiver to try something else, but no other settings were click free for me. Or better say, this was the first combination I was OK with sound and it was " quiet" so it's a keeper.

My steps after I have wired the Front High (My layout doesn't allow for Front Wide:

Reset the AVR,
(I didn't needed the firmware update as the previous update wasn't erased.)

Run Audyssey

for the Input Sources of CBL/SAT

Select Audyssey DSX where applicable

Select PL II Movie Audyssey DSX everywhere else.

That is all I needed.

As for the Front High I have experienced the effect of sound "descending" with the aircraft only once or twice. So I am not sold on the effect of the FH but hey, it's not clicking so I am all good.


I should also mention that I am not an expert, just the user.

Hope it helps.
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post #2231 of 5391
2/2/10 at 9:35am
Interesting problem with the HT-RC180 last night. In fact, after nearly a month, I call this the first "glitch".

I was listening to MP3's and Pandora for a while. Afterwards, I switched over to the PS3 to get some time in on "The Saboteur". What I was greeted with was a small black box on the upper half of the screen. This was about 5" x 5". The 180 was in "Game Mode" and was upscaling the 720P to 1080P.

I power cycled the TV, no change. I changed the RC180 to HDMI: Through, and the box got bigger and the TV reported 720P. HDMI: 1080P and the box was smaller again.

Power cycled the RC180, and the box disappeared.
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post #2232 of 5391
2/2/10 at 10:03am
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Originally Posted by rworne View Post

Interesting problem with the HT-RC180 last night. In fact, after nearly a month, I call this the first "glitch".

I was listening to MP3's and Pandora for a while. Afterwards, I switched over to the PS3 to get some time in on "The Saboteur". What I was greeted with was a small black box on the upper half of the screen. This was about 5" x 5". The 180 was in "Game Mode" and was upscaling the 720P to 1080P.

I power cycled the TV, no change. I changed the RC180 to HDMI: Through, and the box got bigger and the TV reported 720P. HDMI: 1080P and the box was smaller again.

Power cycled the RC180, and the box disappeared.

I too have seen this glitch twice on my RC180. Both times I was listening to music on either Pandora or off the network. I then switched to the Wii (Component 480P to HDMI 1080P) and got the black box somewhere in the upper left quadrant of the screen. Turning the reveiver off and on fixed it.
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post #2233 of 5391
2/2/10 at 11:52am
Just a quick question regarding the Audyssey DSX on this AVR.....Can you use the DSX function if you only have a 5.1 setup?? or do you need more speakers so the AVR recognizes them? Thanks
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post #2234 of 5391
2/2/10 at 1:07pm
Great Forum guys. Quick question on the TX-NR807 or above. If I connect my dish network HDMI as a input thru the receiver, does the receiver have to be ON all the time to pass the a/v to my TV. I will be using 'pass thru' mode.

Yamaha has something similar when Receiver is in 'stand by' mode that it will allow you to do this. This would be used for quick 'catch the news' type thing where the receiver does not need to be on
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post #2235 of 5391
2/2/10 at 2:42pm
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Originally Posted by mattldm View Post

I was wondering about the 2 channel sound quality or the 807 vs. the 1007?
Has anyone tested these back to back to see if there are any noticeable differences in audio quality?

Im looking for a receiver to replace my Onkyo 705 (which is going upstairs for my PS3) and I want a receiver that will play loud and clear on movies (My room is 18' x 28' x 9') but also sound great on two channel music! (Using Paradigm Studio 20 speakers)
other receivers or combos that I am considering:
Marantz SR-6004
Onkyo TX-sr707 with external amp for the front channels, Emotiva, NAD, or Parasound.

If you don't need the networking the 807/1007 models give you consider getting the SR876 - you won't need an external amp unless you have electrostatic speakers.

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Originally Posted by Stylz25 View Post

Just a quick question regarding the Audyssey DSX on this AVR.....Can you use the DSX function if you only have a 5.1 setup?? or do you need more speakers so the AVR recognizes them? Thanks

Audyssey DSX requires more speakers - specifically high and/or wide. With a DSX capable AVR with 7.1 it can do one or the other - with a 9.1 AVR it can do both.

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Originally Posted by ShakMan View Post

Great Forum guys. Quick question on the TX-NR807 or above. If I connect my dish network HDMI as a input thru the receiver, does the receiver have to be ON all the time to pass the a/v to my TV. I will be using 'pass thru' mode.

No - it cannot pass the video signal on when it is shut off. Get an HDMI splitter to split the signal - this way you can get the signal to the tv for when you don't want the AVR on. Make sure you get the gender right. Pass through in the 807 means no video processing takes place - not that it can pass the video regardless of whether it's powered on or not.
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post #2236 of 5391
2/2/10 at 3:46pm
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Originally Posted by Sound402 View Post

Mike,

If you are still experiencing the clicking with 7 speakers after you have done Audyssey Setup then I would thing you did NOT set the Input sources to Audyssey DSX and PL II Movie Audyssey DSX respectively, Right now I have no access to the receiver to try something else, but no other settings were click free for me. Or better say, this was the first combination I was OK with sound and it was " quiet" so it's a keeper.

My steps after I have wired the Front High (My layout doesn't allow for Front Wide:

Reset the AVR,
(I didn't needed the firmware update as the previous update wasn't erased.)

Run Audyssey

for the Input Sources of CBL/SAT

Select Audyssey DSX where applicable

Select PL II Movie Audyssey DSX everywhere else.

That is all I needed.

As for the Front High I have experienced the effect of sound "descending" with the aircraft only once or twice. So I am not sold on the effect of the FH but hey, it's not clicking so I am all good.


I should also mention that I am not an expert, just the user.

Hope it helps.

Thanks Sound402. I'll give that a try. You're a lot more help than Onkyo. They haven't given me any ideas yet other than if a reset doesn't work take it to a repair center.
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post #2237 of 5391
2/2/10 at 5:26pm
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Originally Posted by noah katz View Post

Perhaps not relevant, but FYI I was going to go phantom center as well but Chris at Audyssey said they strongly recommend against that when using DSX Wide, because the center information fed to the L/R will be sent to the Wides as well.

What does "side surround speakers (DSX mode)" mean? You don't need DSX to have side surrounds.

"You say wide, I say side, let's call the whole thing off"

Good thing to know about the centre channel with DSX
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post #2238 of 5391
2/2/10 at 5:42pm
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Originally Posted by bigslim View Post

I feel the same as you. The 807 can't compete with the sound quality of my old TX-SR800. My loyalty to Onkyo products is why I kept it!


Sony RM-AX4000 Remote Commander
Panasonic TC-P50G10
Samsung BD-P3600
Paradigm Monitor 11 5.1 speaker system
Directv HD-DVR HR2-1100
Onkyo DV-SP500 (used as single CD player)
Onkyo TX-NR807 ( used as pre-amp)
Onkyo TX-SR800 ( used as power amp)

How is it different than your 800? I had the 607 and 807 together, and the 807 was much better sound quality wise. So I sold the 607. I also recently compared the 807 to my brothers 805. The 807 and 805 are really close together in sound quality. Power wise, the 805 beats it, but that's it.
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post #2239 of 5391
2/2/10 at 5:50pm
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Originally Posted by BNut View Post

I had the same thing happen with my Monitor 11's so I just went into the Speaker Setting->Speaker Config menu and changed my front speakers to Full Band. My friend who also has the RC180 had the same thing occur with his Energy tower speakers.

Set your speakers to Full Band, take them for a spin and see how it sounds.

Take care,
Brian

If you have subwoofer, you shouldn't set Full Band. And if you use Audyssey, don't lower crossover that it sets. You can only raise it. This is the correct way to set it up. I don't understand why people don't understand or won't go to the trouble to properly set up their system.
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post #2240 of 5391
2/2/10 at 6:49pm
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Originally Posted by Knucklehead90 View Post


No - it cannot pass the video signal on when it is shut off. Get a splitter to split the signal - this way you can get the signal to the tv for when you don't want the AVR on. Make sure you get the gender right. Pass through in the 807 means no video processing takes place - not that it can pass the video regardless of whether it's powered on or not.

Thank Knucklehead90. I will get the splitter as recommended. You guys are awesome
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post #2241 of 5391
2/2/10 at 6:52pm
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Originally Posted by Dathon View Post

If you have subwoofer, you shouldn't set Full Band. And if you use Audyssey, don't lower crossover that it sets. You can only raise it. This is the correct way to set it up. I don't understand why people don't understand or won't go to the trouble to properly set up their system.

Woah, easy there killer!!!

I properly setup my system to *MY* personal taste. I noticed as a result of the 40hz setting that Audyssey chose for my front, center and surround channels that my SVS sub was almost non-existent despite EVERY setting I tried changing. It wasn't until I changed my 40hz setting to 80hz(THX) or Full Band that my sub's bass response returned to "normal" like it was before with my previous 801 receiver.

Try to be more understanding that "the correct way" is a subjective preference for the listener and will differ from one person to another.

Take care,
Brian
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post #2242 of 5391
2/2/10 at 7:59pm
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Originally Posted by Dathon View Post

How is it different than your 800? I had the 607 and 807 together, and the 807 was much better sound quality wise. So I sold the 607. I also recently compared the 807 to my brothers 805. The 807 and 805 are really close together in sound quality. Power wise, the 805 beats it, but that's it.

The 807 is a very clean, crisp amp. I'm not disputing that point. It just didn't deliver the same punchy,robust sound I was use to. Also, I guess it depends on your speaker system. The 807 didn't drive my speakers as well as the 800. The 800 has a better,beefier amp section, and it really pushed the Paradigms. I've owned Onkyo products for over 25 years, and maybe things have changed. In the early days the focus was on big,ballsy amps. Now, I think the focus has changed to bells and whistles. Audyssey,dynamic eq, dynamic volume have all improved sound quality but at at the expense of raw power earlier Onkyo amps were known for!

Sony RM-AX4000 Remote Commander
Panasonic TC-P50G10
Samsung BD-P3600
Paradigm Monitor 11 5.1 speaker system
Directv HD-DVR HR2-1100
Onkyo DV-SP500 (used as single CD player)
Onkyo TX-NR807 ( used as pre-amp)
Onkyo TX-SR800 ( used as power amp)
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post #2243 of 5391
2/2/10 at 8:11pm
Sorry OT, but need help. Just installed the 807 last week. Re-read the manual for a 2nd time but still haven't found the answer. I've got my PS3 HDMI out into HDMI 4 on the receiver.

Settings are as follows:
Monitor Out - HDMI
Resolution - Through
HDMI Input (DVD/BD) - HDMI4
Digital Audio Input (DVD/BD) - OPT1

Here's the problem. No blu-ray through the 807. When I run the video through the Samsung B750, picture is stunning. Through receiver, not as good. What's wrong or rather what have I done wrong?

Any help is much appreciated. I don't want to return this as I really like it and would rather get it right.
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post #2244 of 5391
2/2/10 at 8:41pm
"Audyssey DSX requires more speakers - specifically high and/or wide."

Not sure about the 807, but not necessarily true w/the Denons.

If you had surround backs, you could reassign them to be front wides or heights.
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post #2245 of 5391
2/2/10 at 9:03pm
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Originally Posted by etys rule View Post

Sorry OT, but need help. Just installed the 807 last week. Re-read the manual for a 2nd time but still haven't found the answer. I've got my PS3 HDMI out into HDMI 4 on the receiver.

Settings are as follows:
Monitor Out - HDMI
Resolution - Through
HDMI Input (DVD/BD) - HDMI4
Digital Audio Input (DVD/BD) - OPT1

Here's the problem. No blu-ray through the 807. When I run the video through the Samsung B750, picture is stunning. Through receiver, not as good. What's wrong or rather what have I done wrong?

Any help is much appreciated. I don't want to return this as I really like it and would rather get it right.

Why are you using the OPT 1 input? Doesn't the PS3 pass audio via HDMI? If it does you need to disconnect the OPT 1 cable and delete the OPT 1 setting via the Onkyo's on screen menu.
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post #2246 of 5391
2/2/10 at 11:51pm
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Originally Posted by yellowrubiu View Post

Is Newegg the best pricing source for the 807 receiver right now? Their price is $769.99.

This is a fair price ..... however they can go lower, and have in the past ... usually on a weekend.

Is there a Fry's Electronics close to you? Try them on the weekend ... I have noticed unadvertised specials there ... I found an 55" 8000 series Samsung LCD TV for $800 below the best price on line from anyone else in the country that I know of .... now that was amazing!

It really pays to shop .... it really does. If there is any way you can continue to be patient ... you will find this for even less $$ ....

If I may ... I pray that you can save a lot so that you will be able to spend as little as possible for the most outrageous speakers you can possibly afford. (does that make sense?) Get the best speakers you can .... no matter what. You may wish to look on Audiogon.com ... there are deals there also ...

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post #2247 of 5391
2/3/10 at 1:44am
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Originally Posted by sharan View Post

I had posted this earlier. Trying to figure out how to stream my FLAC files thru' the receiver.....I sent the following message to Onkyo support 'When i try to stream FLAC Files from my PC to the receiver it says 'Cannot play' (Although i see the file name on the Receiver).MP3 plays fine.Streaming thru Windows Media Player 11 from, my PC. The WMP11 plays the FLAC files on the PC. According to the Manual the NR807 supports FLAC files. The PC is connected to the Router & the receiver thru Ethernet. Pls advice' . I did get the following response back a month later (!) ....'We apologize for the delay in responding to your email. Due to the holidays we are experiencing a heavy volume of inquiries. We appreciate your patience and understanding.Sorry, flac, will not workk with your model. ' .....I dont get it...The manual clearly states FLAC as one of the formats......Any thoughts guys?

Have you tried it with more than one FLAC file? Perhaps it is choking on something in the file you tested with. It is quite possible for an audio file (of any format) to play with one player (like WMP11) and not in another (like your 807). The file could have a corrupted tag that one of the players ignores but the other player dies trying to read, etc. My point is just that the file playing in WMP11 is not necessarily evidence that the file is "good". It is also quite possible that a file is "good" but just happens to expose a bug in a particular player.

So yeah, do you have some other FLAC files you could test with? If not, you could convert one of your other files to test with, or download one.

-Max
(I don't have an 807, but am very familiar with digital audio files.)
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post #2248 of 5391
2/3/10 at 4:29am
maxcooper
I have the same problem on last 807 firmware with different FLAC files - can't play them. Already make a list to a support team Onkyo.
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post #2249 of 5391
2/3/10 at 10:50am
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Originally Posted by etys rule View Post

Sorry OT, but need help. Just installed the 807 last week. Re-read the manual for a 2nd time but still haven't found the answer. I've got my PS3 HDMI out into HDMI 4 on the receiver.

Settings are as follows:
Monitor Out - HDMI
Resolution - Through
HDMI Input (DVD/BD) - HDMI4
Digital Audio Input (DVD/BD) - OPT1

Here's the problem. No blu-ray through the 807. When I run the video through the Samsung B750, picture is stunning. Through receiver, not as good. What's wrong or rather what have I done wrong?

Any help is much appreciated. I don't want to return this as I really like it and would rather get it right.

An odd problem. I have nearly the same hardware and I have no issues - though I do pass sound over HDMI.

Samsung B750 MONITOR
US PS3 (FAT) HDMI1
JP PS3 (FAT) HDMI3
Wii Component1
HTPC HDMI2
Onkyo HT-RC180

My resolution is either through or 1080P depending on the source.
When you say "no Blu-Ray" do you see the output of the PS3 at any other time?
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post #2250 of 5391
2/4/10 at 9:20am
Hmmm. Another problem cropped up:

When playing Pandora (not sure on other services) after a while the receiver will freeze at the "buffering" stage. I can switch to other inputs and everything seems fine, but when going back to the "NET" functions, the receiver is locked up with the previous Pandora "buffering" screen.

Nothing will clear this and re-enable NET functions except pulling the power plug.
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