Pioneer SC-25 and SC-27 Receiver Thread - Page 8

If I'm not mistaken, the Velodyne sub you have is a powered sub. You don't connect this type of sub to your receiver with speaker wire. You use a digital coaxial cable from the subwoofer pre-out connection on your receiver to the input on the subwoofer's amp.

Chris-

Thanks for the info. To clarify my question, is there a rca cable the will connect to my 14 guage speaker wire? I have not been able to find any. All that I have found are bare rca connectors to connect to the speaker wire. The problem with that is that the speaker wire is positive and negative and the rca's all require a ground.

So, the real question is: Is there an adapter that will convert the rca plug from the receiver to my 14 guage speaker wire?

thanks again.

you don't need to do what you are talking about... there's no reason to pass the full range speaker level signal through the sub (although you can)....

run speaker wire from avr to speakers...

run line level (i.e. coax with rca connectors) from sub-out on avr to lfe in jack on subwoofer... virtually any cable you have lying around will suffice...

or am i missing something here in what you want to do?

edit: are you trying to roll your own cable using the speaker wire?

yes, trying to roll my own cable as the wiring inside the house is complete and drywall painted. Can't re-run new wire. So I am stuck with a 14 guage speaker wire and trying to get these 2 pieces of equipment to connect to one another.

ah, ok, NOW i understand...

i suppose you could, but there *might* be some hum issues, etc.

how about you use the existing speaker wire to pull a coax cable through the wall?

I can't re-run wire. The enclosures are too tight and the legnth is approx 30ft. through walls and ceiling. I have to figure out a way to make do with what I have. I am open to any all suggestions given my circumstance.

ccotenj's suggestion of replacing the speaker wire is the best solution. Otherwise, you may need a line level converter (they can be found cheaper and in other configurations, including wall plates). Or the sub might have one built in (couldn't find a picture of it's connections, and the manual seemed murky, although I only scanned it quickly).

Either way, it is a much more fussy installation, so try to replace the 14 gauge wire with coax and use the LFE if you can.

Is the sc-25 twice the a/v receiver as the vsx-21? I can get a 21 for 550 ish or I can get a 25 for 1099 ish just wanted to here your thoughts.

Picked up my SC-27 last night at BB, after haggling with clerk for 60 minns i got him to come down 300 on the msrp of the unit.
I am running a 6.1 system with all Dali Mentor LCR's, an Elite BDP-09FD Blu-Ray Player on a Kuro Pro 151FD, and i must say it all comes together nice.
Elites do like to play nice together.
I threw in U-571 on BD, jumped to the depth charge scene, litterly dropped a picture off of the wall.
Also threw in the Eagles, Farewell Tour on DTS 6.1, the horns sounded so clean i thought i was there.
The sound is very clean, clear, and crisp, i am very happy..
This setup is for my dedicated Home Theater room, for music though nothing will replace my Parasound Halos, and my Snell B7's..

Awesome setup!

Will both the SC-25 and SC-27 allow for connection to Internet Radio sources like Pandora and, if so, is this difficult process to accomplish?

They dont hook up directly to Pandora (that I know of), But I hook up my iPhone to my SC-27 and play Pandora that way. It works for me.

At the risk of being drummed out of the club, I'd say no, it's not twice as good. When you get over the $500 price point, diminishing returns set in rapidly.

I have both a VSX-01 and SC-07 (almost identical to the VSX-21 and SC-27 respectively) and can honestly say that a casual user would be unlikely to hear any difference. A serious listener would, but how much of that in in the ear of the hearer would be hard to prove. I "know" the SC-07 is "better", so it sounds better to me. Whether that would stand up to a double blind test is debatable, but we don't listen that way. We know what equipment we are using, and that affects our judgement, whether we care to admit it or not.

There is no denying the pride of ownership I get from my SC-07. It makes me happy because I know how well designed it is. I also use and enjoy the extra connectivity it gives me. So it was worth the extra money to me.

But that's pretty subjective. Most of us become convinced we have chosen the right receiver, and defend our choice. If the higher quality parts and additional connectivity are important to you, the SC-25 is well worth it's price. If not, the VSX-21 is a terrific AVR, and IMO, a great value.

Those of you who are hooked on this hobby will understand this scenerio.
My current setup is Anthem AVM-30, Emotiva UPA-7. Paradigm Studio 100's, L/R, CC690 center, ADP 590 surrounds. Sources Direct TV Model H21, Pioneer BD-320, & 23 Blu-Ray players, and a DV-79AVi, used for CD, SACD and DVD-A

This is a great setup, and I have no problems with it, but as noted you A/V junkies will understand that I am intrigued with trying one of these ICE powered Pioneers. Either a 25 or 27 but leaning towards the 25 for the differences vs. price factor. This is for nothing more than the pure fun of the hobby, and this curiuosity bug that I can't shake.

Have any of you ever gone from separates to an AVR, and found the switch satisfying? Do you think the 25 or 27 is comparable to what I currently have?

I know there was one poster who had the Anthem D2 and was disappointed with the Pio, but that is a much higher-end unit than the AVM-30, and power wise it seems to match the UPA-7 (although I don't fully trust the 140 watt spec). Not asking anyone to decide for me, but just curious as to any thoughts. If I'm going to do it, I'm going to do it today! Anybody?

nelson... i had an avm-30 and used odyssey amps with it...

i went from that to a pio 82... i didn't miss the old combination...

i went from the 82 to a pio sc-05... i missed the old combination even less...

i now also have a sc-09, and the avm-30 is completely forgotten, unless someone (like you have) asks about it...

the avm-30 is a nice piece no doubt... but feature wise, it doesn't compare to a "new" avr...

ymmv... i'm sure part of what played into my "lack of missing" was the fact that anthem really put the screws to us avm-30 owners with the hdmi "upgrade"...

i don't think you'll be disappointed, but that's only one man's opinion...

this is well put, and i agree with it completely...

Thanks for the input Chris.

Do we have procedures in place for stripping you of your rank and drumming you out yet?


Seriously, well said, everyone has different needs, wants, and perceived notions of what's important. That's why there's so many choices! Choices are good, but choices can drive you crazy too

You shouldn't have to "justify" what makes you happy.. you just need to enjoy it!

Well, if you don't know of any, I guess I'm safe (at least until the board meets), as you're the de facto President of said club.

My comments about the VSX-21 vs SC-07 largely apply here, too.

I have had various separates over the years, and currently still use some lovely vintage Luxman amps in my "music only" setup. If I ever get my SC-07 fixed, I'll use the VSX-01 as a pre/pro with the Luxmans (Luxmen? ), but largely because my speakers require an equalizer be inserted between the preamp and amp, which can't be done with any current AVR's I'm aware of. Since I installed my new Elite AVR's and Mythos STS speakers in my "HT" (aka family room), I find I rarely move to the "music" (living) room for serious listening anymore. I listen to most music on the AVR in my HT instead.

As I've said, a lot of this is in your mindset. If you firmly believe separates are superior, you are unlikely to enjoy "downgrading" to an AVR. Separates offer a lot of psychic satisfaction and there is undeniable status conferred on separates users by audiophiles.

On the other hand, I've been around long enough to know that much of the mystique of separates is historical, dating from the days when heat generating tubes (and later discrete transistors) made it impossible to design all in one components without severe compromises. In an era of IC's, that barrier is no longer impenetrable. There are lots of reasons some people favor different amplifier designs (one reason there are so many) and some still don't lend themselves to integrated components, but the inherent difference between receivers and separates is nothing of the magnitude it once was.

anyone have some thoughts please...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...2#post17238362

You were answered in post 223.

And 226 and 228.

How about Posts #223, 226, and 228?

Sorry about that I do not see the post again I am sorry and thank you very much!!!!!!!!!

you got it... like i said, the anthem is a very nice piece for what it is... but it's lacking in features compared to today's avr's... i also don't miss having 4 big boxes in my rack...

and also like i inferred, i'm still pretty bitter about how anthem handled the hdmi upgrade path...

fwiw, i agree with macfan's post... there is a certain "je ne sais quoi" about separates that a single box certainly doesn't have... i suppose it's the imposing look, and so on... and there certainly was a time (as described in his post) where separates held a solid advantage over a single box solution (and some still believe there do)... i personally believe that paradigm has shifted though...

again, one man's opinion... if YOU are going to "miss" having the separate boxes, then that probably trumps many reasons for going to a single box...

Hi guys,

I am somewhat of a newb.

Was all set to grab a SC-25 or SC-27 when I found out it only supports 8 ohm. The speakers I was hoping to get are all rated 4 ohm. Now what? Am I to assume I cannot run the speakers safely with an "Elite" receiver?

I can't believe it as the POS Sony 5400ES can handle 4-8 ohms.

Can you guys suggest any options here?

i.e. get different speakers or get a different receiver or . .. ?

Thank you in advance!

Thanks Chris and MacFan, I picked the unit up and I'm playing with it now. There is alot to learn, Right now I have a DTS-Master Audio movie playing, but the display shows PCM. I'll read through the thread to see if this has been discussed, otherwise I'll be back for help.

Update: Did get the DTS-Master display issue corrected. Inadvertantly had the 23 HDMI Audio set for PCM instead of Auto. Working fine now on Both the 320 and the 23. However, it seems you cannot play music with the television off. The only way I could do it was using the Multi-channel settings with the DV-48. Is there a way to play music through HDMI without having the TV on?

This will probably draw some flack since this is a Pioneer Elite thread, but for 4 Ohm speakers I recommend you use a separate amp or get a receiver that is rated for 4 Ohms. I know for sure that some of the higher-end Onkyos are rated for 4 Ohm speakers. I'm sure there are others, but I don't know what they are off the top of my head. Now, there will probably be people who tell you that the Elites can handle 4 Ohm speakers and that there are plenty of people doing it and 'getting away with it.' However, keep in mind that if you try it and burn up a receiver, it won't be covered under warranty because you weren't using it within its specified parameters.

Okay. That sucks. I can't believe the whole Elite lineup is only rated at 8 ohms. I really wanted the SC-27. Oh well, I guess back to the drawing board.

Havent seen it discussed much in this thread, but if you read throught SC05/SC07 thread there were plenty of people running 4 ohnm speakers with thier elites and they worked very well together. Don't see why the SC25/27 would be any different.