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post #4861 of 5085
5/6/12 at 4:18am
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Originally Posted by multiham View Post

I have the SC-27. Can not get the picture to show on my tv for either my apple tv or my blu-ray player. Hoping someone can point me in right direction.

I have HDMI cable running from Apple TV to HDMI In 2.
I have HDMI cable running from Blu-Ray to HDMI In 4
I have HDMI cable running from HDMI Out 2 to HDMI In 1 on TV.

What else do I need to do on the Pioneer to make this work? I'm getting no picture and no sound.

Appreciate the help!

Do you have anything else connected through HDMI? If yes, are they working?

If not, I would recommend changing to more "standard" connections:

1) Blu-ray to "BD IN" HDMI input
2) Apple TV to HDMI In 1
3) HDMI Out 1 to HDMI In 1 on TV

Did you really connect your Blu-ray on the front panel input (HDMI 4) or are you mixed up in your input numbering?

Another test you can do is connect the Blu-ray directly to the TV, just to make sure they both work ok.

What do you mean when you say "I can not go into the input menu and choose HDMI"? If you're talking about the input setup menu described on page 48 & 49 of your manual, then that's normal since you have KuroLink activated, and should not be related to where you connect your Apple TV.

Turning off KuroLink might be another good test.

Hope this helps a little.

Dan.
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post #4862 of 5085
5/21/12 at 10:55am
hey guys,

i have a question with regards to the SC-27. I have one but i only have 3 speakers connected to it. At present, i get levels of 107dB (peak for my listening levels) from them at a LP of about 14ft and it sounds awesome. i was wondering if i add 4 surround speakers to the mix, would that affect how my sound is? will the front stage still sound the same way after i add the surrounds at my same listening levels?

P.S Mains are Paradigm sig S4s and C3 and surrounds i want to add are Energy CR-10s.
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post #4863 of 5085
5/21/12 at 11:19am
The amps are independent but the power supply is not. But, surround speakers generally take less power than the mains. I imagine you will be just fine.
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post #4864 of 5085
5/22/12 at 3:53am
Kimwyn, I know you said that 107dB is peak and not average, but I do find this rather high for hearing safety. What is your average level?

I recommend the following link: http://www.gcaudio.com/resources/howtos/loudness.html.

Safe hearing!

Dan.
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post #4865 of 5085
5/22/12 at 6:07am
Thanks Dan but i am not sure if i listen so often at those levels for my hearing to be affected. The only times i would listen to those levels are for "blockbuster" movies and thats it. But thanks again and it really is enjoyable listening at those levels. I am just hoping the addition of my surrounds dont spoil what i get from my fronts at the moment because of the additional power needed.
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post #4866 of 5085
5/25/12 at 2:29pm
Onscreen Volume Display-
I could use some help getting the SC-27 to display the volume on my 6020 Kuro display while using a directv source via HDMI. I can get the volume to display on the Kuro if I turn Kurolink on in the SC-27 settings, but that also disables HDMI in, so I can't use the hdmi input from the directv DVR. There must be a solution to this, but I haven't been able to figure it out.

Can anyone tell me how to make this work?
Thanks!
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post #4867 of 5085
5/25/12 at 3:47pm
Okay, I kind of solved my problem. I had assigned the HDMI input from directv to the TV/SAT input for ease of use with the remote. So I had to switch to the HDMI 1 input, and it now works. But that is less convenient, as now I do not have a simple one-button switch to switch to the directv input on the remote. The remote just has me HDMI input button, which cycles through the 5 HDMI inputs.
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post #4868 of 5085
6/19/12 at 9:41pm
I've got a quick question (I hope) for the multi-zone experts.

I've been running my SC-27 single zone 7.1 for a while. However, it's located in the basement and I just decided to pick up some Def Tech AW6500's for the outside patio. They sound fantastic btw, but I've been testing them by replacing my front left and right, and doing stereo only, while I plan the wiring run.

So anyway, I just got the 14/4 wire, outdoor volume control, and some banana connectors and was surprised to see RCA connectors for the Zone 2 & 3 outputs. So, I thought I now have to go and get some RCA plugs to convert the speaker wire. But, I started reading the manual a bit and in their examples, it's sounding like Zone 2 & 3 aren't amplified? The only way to get an amplified Zone 2 is to drop from 7.1 to 5.1 and to cannibalize the rear surrounds - Is that correct?? Jeez, that's going to really screw up my plan. At that point, I might as well just buy a cheap receiver and not bother running the 100ft of 14/4?

Can someone please confirm? Thanks.
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post #4869 of 5085
6/20/12 at 6:58am
There are only seven power amps in the SC-25/27...

I'd go the cheap receiver route and place it nearer the patio so you don't have to go to the basement all the time anyway. You could run line-level cables from the AVR's preamp outputs to the patio receiver if you wanted.
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post #4870 of 5085
6/20/12 at 8:28am
Yeah, more I read the manual, the clearer it got. For whatever reason, I thought you could just shift the amps to a B series of speakers stereo only (Zone B), and just turn off the Zone A. Kind of like the old Speakers A/B of yester-year.

I could careless about simultaneously running two different sources on two different zones. Without that A/B capability, things get messier. I really don't want to deal with a speaker output switch. I would consider a matching integrated amp, but Pioneer doesn't make one anymore.

I suppose the best alternative is to consider upgrading to one of the newer 9 channel models, SC-68 perhaps, assuming I could assign ch 8 or 9 to secondary zones, and keep Zone A the current 7.1. I guess in the interim, I'll disconnect the rear surrounds and use those channels to get up and running, then figure out what I'm going to do.

BTW - For the patio, I'm just going to run a long playlist off an Ipod or run Neural in the background. However, I'm sure the kids will want to rock out with the bonfires back there. With an OVC305R volume control, I think that will work out.

Thanks for the confirmation!
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post #4871 of 5085
6/20/12 at 11:25am
For the patio I would just get a cheap receiver and call it done. You can send your iPad/ppod/whatever through it and have the tuner available plus other inputs, and not have to worry about what's going in the basement. (Unless you have teenagers like me; I worry a lot about what goes on in the basement... smile.gif ) That also obviates the problem of the kids accidentally destroying your main system.
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post #4872 of 5085
6/20/12 at 2:05pm
In concept I'd agree. However, the kids already own the HT, so that's a done deal already. Thankfully, they are pretty competent and responsible older teens.

I have briefly considered the idea of using an auxillary receiver, which is a good idea, and would certainly be more convenient, but I just don't have anywhere to put it. The patio is just outside of a large kitchen, and unfortuntely, there is just no accessible, yet hidden place to put it. The only reasonable location along the wiring route would be in the basement utility area which is even deeper into the home. Just not a great layout.

Today I talked to my friendly neighborhood audio retailer and he put me on the list for the first SC-68 at a great discount. He also offered the SC-67 for less than I paid for the SC-27, and I got a great deal on that then too. I figure if I can't get a reasonable buck out of the used SC-27, that might just end up in the utility area. After reading more about the SC-68, I'm kind of liking the idea of Bi-Amping my 7.1 set up and perhaps adding another sub. Just got to work this all past the wife.com. eek.gif
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post #4873 of 5085
7/7/12 at 7:54am
I've been programing the remote that came with my SC-27 and have it working with my Blu-ray player and Plasma display. If I can get it to control my Comcast STB I won't need a universal remote. The manual makes reference to preset codes but the only instructions are for the SC-25 remote which is different and can't seem to get it to work with my remote. I also downloaded two files... one containing a list of preset codes for the SC-25 but I have yet to find a way to enter them on the SC-27 remote... and another is an mxf file for the SC-07 but have no idea what it's for, or if it's even used with my receiver. I'm lost and would appreciate any help. Thanks.

I may end up purchasing a universal remote at some point... seems the Harmony remotes are very popular and work well. Any particular model I should get?
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post #4874 of 5085
7/7/12 at 9:45am
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Originally Posted by 65Cobra427SC View Post

I've been programing the remote that came with my SC-27 and have it working with my Blu-ray player and Plasma display. If I can get it to control my Comcast STB I won't need a universal remote. The manual makes reference to preset codes but the only instructions are for the SC-25 remote which is different and can't seem to get it to work with my remote. I also downloaded two files... one containing a list of preset codes for the SC-25 but I have yet to find a way to enter them on the SC-27 remote... and another is an mxf file for the SC-07 but have no idea what it's for, or if it's even used with my receiver. I'm lost and would appreciate any help. Thanks.
I may end up purchasing a universal remote at some point... seems the Harmony remotes are very popular and work well. Any particular model I should get?

Two questions:
Are you following the instructions for programming the SC-27 remote on page 96 of the manual? The manual gives explicit instructions for programming the remote under "Setting the remote to control other components."

What brand STB do you have? Comcast is your service provider but the STB is manufactured by an electronics company like Scientific-Atlanta, Cisco, Motorola and others. For example, I have a Cox STB but the manufacturer of the STB is Scientific-Atlanta (aka Cisco); so in the step where we are instructed to enter the first letter of the brand, I would enter "S" and scroll the list to find Scientific-Atlanta. You have to figure out who is the manufacturer of your Comcast STB; look for a label on the back if it does not say on the front. Or, if it has a model number on the front, Google the model number. Or call Comcast.

Good luck,
John
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post #4875 of 5085
7/7/12 at 1:13pm
Thanks for replyting...

My Comcast STB is a rebranded Pace RNG110... followed the same steps in the manual I had used for the Blu-ray player (which is working fine)... selected Pace which listed one Satelite and five Cable options, but none of them worked. I even went back to Read the ID each time just to make sure it showed the code I selected.

I tried searching online but couldn't find anything specific to my situation... found an mxf file for the SC-07... and a list of preset codes (supposedly) from Panasonic which lists one code for Comcast and multiple codes for Pace... none of them are STB specific. I did find a few sites where people had successfully used the Comcast code for their RNG110 but others said it didn't work for them.

So I went back to Chapter 10 of the manual and Page 101 says "This remote control can control components after entering the proper codes or teaching the receiver the commands (see Operating multiple receivers on page 103 for more on this)". Figured I would enter the codes but it turns out Page 103 refers to the remote for the SC-25 which is not the same. I tried several times to apply those instructions to my remote but I must be doing something wrong because I can't enter any codes.

Although I'm assuming I can have it learn the commands from the Comcast remote, I'd still like to know how to enter preset codes into my remote. Guess this is where I decided to post here. biggrin.gif
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post #4876 of 5085
7/7/12 at 2:12pm
Invest in a decent universal like the Harmony One (can probably be found b/w $100-$150). You might even find something decent at your local Costco or Sam's Club.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002RL875A/?tag=googhydr-20&hvadid=6464212056&ref=pd_sl_5a3w2y0wop_e
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post #4877 of 5085
7/7/12 at 8:33pm
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Originally Posted by 65Cobra427SC View Post

Thanks for replyting...
My Comcast STB is a rebranded Pace RNG110... followed the same steps in the manual I had used for the Blu-ray player (which is working fine)... selected Pace which listed one Satelite and five Cable options, but none of them worked. I even went back to Read the ID each time just to make sure it showed the code I selected.
I tried searching online but couldn't find anything specific to my situation... found an mxf file for the SC-07... and a list of preset codes (supposedly) from Panasonic which lists one code for Comcast and multiple codes for Pace... none of them are STB specific. I did find a few sites where people had successfully used the Comcast code for their RNG110 but others said it didn't work for them.
So I went back to Chapter 10 of the manual and Page 101 says "This remote control can control components after entering the proper codes or teaching the receiver the commands (see Operating multiple receivers on page 103 for more on this)". Figured I would enter the codes but it turns out Page 103 refers to the remote for the SC-25 which is not the same. I tried several times to apply those instructions to my remote but I must be doing something wrong because I can't enter any codes.
Although I'm assuming I can have it learn the commands from the Comcast remote, I'd still like to know how to enter preset codes into my remote. Guess this is where I decided to post here. biggrin.gif

The instructions for programming the SC-27 remote for functions of unknown devices are on page 97 under "Programming signals from other remote controls." You have to use your Comcast remote and program each separate function - On/Off, Channel Up/Down, menu navigation commands... It would be a real pain! The Harmony advice may be the way to go under the circumstances.
John
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post #4878 of 5085
7/7/12 at 11:19pm
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The instructions for programming the SC-27 remote for functions of unknown devices are on page 97 under "Programming signals from other remote controls." You have to use your Comcast remote and program each separate function - On/Off, Channel Up/Down, menu navigation commands... It would be a real pain! The Harmony advice may be the way to go under the circumstances.
John

I was trying to avoid the Harmony only because I'm used to the SC-27 remote and it will be fine once I get it to work with the cable box. Obviously I can program each separate funtion but it's frustrating to have the manual imply preset codes can be entered with the SC-27, then doesn't provide instructions. Page 97, which covers the SC-27, states "If you can’t find or properly enter a preset code, you can still teach the remote individual commands from another remote control". And Page 101, which also covers the SC-27, states "this remote control can control components after entering the proper codes..." But the only instructions for entering preset codes are on Page 103, which covers the SC-25... there are only three steps... and very simple steps at that... but the SC-27 doesn't have a "Remote Setup" button. I tried substituting other buttons but no luck.

Thanks for the help John... guess I'll just have to do this the hard way rolleyes.gif
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post #4879 of 5085
7/8/12 at 2:44pm
Page 96 discusses selecting preset codes for the SC-27. The codes are in a separate booklet; if they are not there for your box, I assume you have to use the manual method unless there is an updated booklet on the Pioneer site. It may be your box uses the same codes as another box; Comcast might be able to tell you that. If you are very, very lucky...
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post #4880 of 5085
7/8/12 at 3:41pm
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Originally Posted by 65Cobra427SC View Post

I was trying to avoid the Harmony only because I'm used to the SC-27 remote and it will be fine once I get it to work with the cable box. Obviously I can program each separate funtion but it's frustrating to have the manual imply preset codes can be entered with the SC-27, then doesn't provide instructions. Page 97, which covers the SC-27, states "If you can’t find or properly enter a preset code, you can still teach the remote individual commands from another remote control". And Page 101, which also covers the SC-27, states "this remote control can control components after entering the proper codes..." But the only instructions for entering preset codes are on Page 103, which covers the SC-25... there are only three steps... and very simple steps at that... but the SC-27 doesn't have a "Remote Setup" button. I tried substituting other buttons but no luck.
Thanks for the help John... guess I'll just have to do this the hard way rolleyes.gif

Avoid all the programming headaches and get the Harmony One....now for $110 at Radio Shack if you follow this thread:

http://slickdeals.net/f/4856002-Harmony-one-109-99-free-shipping-at-radioshack-com
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post #4881 of 5085
7/8/12 at 9:07pm
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Page 96 discusses selecting preset codes for the SC-27. The codes are in a separate booklet; if they are not there for your box, I assume you have to use the manual method unless there is an updated booklet on the Pioneer site. It may be your box uses the same codes as another box; Comcast might be able to tell you that. If you are very, very lucky...

OK, except the separate booklet. Actually, the code list is right in the SC-27 remote. If you follow the instructions on page 96 to start the process, you would then scroll to the starting letter of the device manufacturer name, select and then scroll through the model offerings. If the code for the STB is not in the the remote list then the remote has no code for the STB that Cobra has. The instructions on page 103 do not cover the SC-27 remote, which has an LCD screen built in. On the SC-27 remote you do not enter codes on the keypad, you select them from the list on the LCD screen. If Cobra did not find the code on the list in the remote, there is no alternate way to enter a code that I know of.
John
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post #4882 of 5085
7/9/12 at 12:14pm
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Originally Posted by hoganj1 View Post

OK, except the separate booklet. Actually, the code list is right in the SC-27 remote. If you follow the instructions on page 96 to start the process, you would then scroll to the starting letter of the device manufacturer name, select and then scroll through the model offerings. If the code for the STB is not in the the remote list then the remote has no code for the STB that Cobra has. The instructions on page 103 do not cover the SC-27 remote, which has an LCD screen built in. On the SC-27 remote you do not enter codes on the keypad, you select them from the list on the LCD screen. If Cobra did not find the code on the list in the remote, there is no alternate way to enter a code that I know of.
John

Nice answer John... thanks everyone... now the manual makes more sense..

Both the SC-25 and the SC-27 have the same list of codes built right into the remotes.

The difference is the SC-27 remote lets you select the code using the LCD screen, but since the SC-25 remote doesn't have an LCD screen you have to enter them manually.

But neither remote will let you enter any additional codes. If you enter a code using the SC-25 remote that's not listed in the preset code booklet, the LED will flash once to indicate the setting has failed. Although I would think Panasonic updates the Preset Code booklets, I'm now thinking you have to use the one that came with your remote and you won't be able to use the newer codes. If I'm wrong then that puts the SC-27 remote at a serious disadvantage.

In my case, there is no remote code that will work with my Cable STB, but the manual doesn't make the above clear, which leaves one wondering if you can enter other codes... in this case that one being "me"... .duh!

I'm going to try and program some of the buttoms from my Comcast remote to the SC-27 remote then try it for a couple days just to see what I think. If I dont' care for it I'll pick up a Harmony One... thanks for the link EWL5.

UPDATE: The Radio Shack price was for online purchases only and it's no longer in stock... bummer.
Edited by 65Cobra427SC - 7/9/12 at 12:32pm
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post #4883 of 5085
8/4/12 at 8:53am
I'm confused about firmware updates... even though I've downloaded them in the past from Pioneer's website, I've yet to actually update my SC-27 since they didn't seem important. But I've since noticed references to different version numbers which is throwing me off. The Pioneer site only refers to version numbers such as 3.7.34.8761... but in this thread I'm seeing references to version 1.055.

I've since displayed the info for my unit and it makes more sense... I have 1.032 instead of 1.055. I'm guessing version 3.7.34.8761 is for HMG only, and 1.032/1.055 refers to the units primary firmware? But why isn't 1.055 even mentioned on Pioneer's website... is that the latest version... and where can I get it? Thanks.
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post #4884 of 5085
8/4/12 at 9:47am
Correct, Pioneer only provides HMG updates for the 25/27 on their web site; that is their decision. Probably don't want to deal with users who mess up and brick their AVRs. User HKAN has a site that has bootleg updates from the Pio service center you can install at your own risk. Many of us have done so; I did it to fix a start-up issue (bug). It was not too bad but did take a little reading and thinking about the steps to get it done correctly. A friend borrowed my stick and did the update with no problem as well. Do a search and it should pop up -- I do not appear to have the link on my notebook and am several states away from my desktop at the moment.

I think the USB stick must be FAT16 (perhaps someone can confirm); pretty sure it must not be NTFS. I seem to remember having to reformat a stick to work, but may be thinking of one of the other components I updated...


@hoganj1: Thanks for clarifying on the remote codes. I just dug out my manual, did not look on the remote. While the SC-27 remote is pretty nice and provides access to a lot of features, I use a Harmony for daily (routine) system control.
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post #4885 of 5085
8/5/12 at 12:26pm
^^^ Thanks for replying... this seems to be the link...

http://www.pioneerfaq.info/index.php?question=Firmwares&type=AVR

Firmware version 1.055 under the filename "AVR_09_1055" from March 2010 so apparently no updates in the past 2+ years.

I'll hold off a while in case anyone has anything else to add... but I'll make sure I understand the process completely before I begin.

Thanks
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post #4886 of 5085
8/6/12 at 5:23pm
Yup, that's the one. The SC-25/27 is pretty old now as AVRs go so I believe that is the newest update. Pio does not update that often...
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8/7/12 at 10:20am
^^^ Thanks again.
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post #4888 of 5085
9/14/12 at 2:22pm
Hello fellow SC users! I have a simple question I hope somone can help me with.

I have a need to extend the IR from the unit to about 50ft through walls and such. I tried an RF system (Logitec) and it failed to signal at distance. I'm now hardwiring extender cables to the room now for all the devices in my closet. Is there a cable I can get to plug into the IR port on the back of the SC-25 and run to my viewing room for the factory RC to work? Or are we forced to use a powered IR repeater with flashers going to the unit?

Thank you all!
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post #4889 of 5085
9/14/12 at 3:47pm
^^^

what extender are you using?

iirc, the sc takes a mono cable for ir input... but i could be recalling incorrectly...
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9/14/12 at 8:44pm
I'm not using an extender system (if I can avoid it). I'd like to just plug into the IR jack in the back and run that directly out to my room. Is that possible? I have also read in places that it uses a mono cable.

btw, nice HT room! Wish I could get my projector that low (for better light).

ave-
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