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post #4891 of 5240
^^^

thanks... smile.gif took awhile for it to finally get it in that spot, but i think it will stay there now...

ah, ok, now i understand... what "extender cables" are you using for everything else?
post #4892 of 5240
My BD player is in the watching area, so nothing needed for that. My cable box had a non-powered extender cable, using an expansion port on the back, which I purchased and use, now I just need one for the reciever.
post #4893 of 5240
I have a quick question I hope someone can answer.
I have a oopo bdp 83 connected to a Cambridge dac magic via coax digital. i then ran the rca output from the dac to the fronts on the multi channel input of my sc25. This was a rec from an audio guru here in town. It sounds awesome, but on occasion the musc will cut out. Very brief and not on a consistant basis, but maybe two to three times on a CD.
could it be a setting on my Oppo?
thanks for all the info in this thread. its helped many times
john
post #4894 of 5240
Have you tried plugging the Oppo stereo outs directly to your AVR? The process of elimination is the only way I can think of to track down the problem.

FWIW, the DAC built into the Oppo and the Pioneer are both very good. The DacMagic is likely no improvement in sound, and quite possibly worse since it's adding one more component and two more cables into the signal chain. I had a DacMagic and sold it because it didn't sound any better than my other components plugged in directly.

I personally connect my BDP-83 via HDMI so I can benefit from the Pioneer's fine DAC with stereo and multi-channel discs.
post #4895 of 5240
I thought the SC-25/27 converted the analog inputs to digital internally (they certainly do if you are using MCACC) so I do not see the benefit of this. Except to Cambridge dealers...
post #4896 of 5240
i did an a/b test from multi input to the BD setting with audio selected to stereo, I didn't hear a big improvement. Ya live and learn.
post #4897 of 5240
My directv picture looks a lot softer and less sharp than my bluray picture which is obvious of course, but I was curious as to wether or not using component cables to hook it to the sc27 and letting it upconvert the 1080i Dtv signal to 1080p would help or not?

Currently my Dtv box is hooked to the sc27 via hdmi and as I understand it, will not upconvert hdmi signals, only analog. But I have 123" projection screen and I am looking for a better directv picture. Will using analog/component and upconverting look better?
post #4898 of 5240
What is your projector model? You're really asking which is the better upconverter, your projector or the SC-27. The best official answer is to try it and see, but don't expect any miracles. 1080p vs 1080i only changes the way image lines are refreshed; you do get twice as much data, but that's in the time dimension, not in static 2D display resolution. A paused image should look the same in 1080p or 1080i. The cause of the softer look is probably the directv data compression, which I expect would be higher (and more lossy) than the compression used on Blu-ray discs.

Dan.
post #4899 of 5240
Question about Speaker B / Zone 2

I currently have a 5.1 setup in my living room with Speaker B running to my outside lounge area for a stereo setup to replicate what's playing inside on 5.1.

I set up my SC27 to output as Speaker B in another room (not zone 2).
My basis for doing this is for when I want to BBQ or whatever on patio, I can see the tv thru the sliding glass doors BUT I want my speakers outside to play whatever is playing in the living room.

I currently have connected a few devices to the SC27

Directv - optical cable
PS3 - hdmi
Apple TV - optical cable

It doesn't matter what the SC27 is playing in the living room, I just want that sound from the living room 5.1 to be downscaled to stereo and play on my patio.

Any suggestions why the outside speakers won't work?
post #4900 of 5240
I just set up my Pioneer Elite SC-27 last night. I ran the Automatic MCACC and I checked the speaker distance and it had my subwoofer off by 7 feet to far. I manually changed it to the correct setting.
Is there a reason it did this?

Also when naming the 1-6 seating positions for the MCACC. Can you customize the name yourself like Back Seat 1 or Front Seats ect . Or do I have to pick one of the names they have provided?
post #4901 of 5240
On distance: Speaker distance is more than physical distance; the crossovers affect phase and may change the "distance" from the physical. That said, you can try moving the sub a little to see if it changes the distance; there might be a reflection influencing the measurement.

I have not tried changing names on mine; check the manual or just give it a go and see. Hint: You can download the manual as a PDF and it is much easier to search.

HTH - Don
post #4902 of 5240
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Originally Posted by DonRSD View Post

Any suggestions why the outside speakers won't work?

Basic checklist:
- Configuration of SC-27: Check...
- Do you have sound coming from A speakers?
- Have you pressed the Speakers A/B toggle button?
- Is the "B" icon lit in the SC-27's control panel?
- If the above does not resolve, make sure you first try to play a stereo signal.

Hope this helps!

Dan.
post #4903 of 5240
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Originally Posted by briandaniella View Post

I just set up my Pioneer Elite SC-27 last night. I ran the Automatic MCACC and I checked the speaker distance and it had my subwoofer off by 7 feet to far. I manually changed it to the correct setting.
Is there a reason it did this?
Also when naming the 1-6 seating positions for the MCACC. Can you customize the name yourself like Back Seat 1 or Front Seats ect . Or do I have to pick one of the names they have provided?

+1 on DonH50's reply about distance. I recommend re-running the MCACC and leaving subwoofer distance to what it calculates, as this accounts for the delay induced by the subwoofer processing. Don's test might be good for peace of mind.

No name customization, unfortunately.

Dan.
post #4904 of 5240
Hello fellow SC-25/27 owners.

I am looking for a one box solution to play Blu-rays/CDs and SACD's. Currently I have two units, a Pioneer BDP 051 and Pioneer 578A , to accomplish this. I want to reduce hardware and analog cables for SACD.
There are several Blu-ray players that now handle SACD too but via DSD over HDMI. But your receiver must accept DSD over HDMI. I checked all 154 pages of my SC-25 owners manual and cannot find any reference to DSD or if my receiver will accept DSD. Does anyone know is an SC-25 will accept SACD DSD via HDMI? Thanks!
post #4905 of 5240
Hey thanks for the advice. I will re run the MCACC tonight or manually change the subwoofer distance back to what it came up with automatically.
post #4906 of 5240
Oh by the way what does everyone on here think of Axiom Audio Speakers? They look real nice. I was thinking of a 7.1 system to go with my SC-27.
The M60 system since the are 8ohms. Can this SC-27 handle 4 ohm speakers??
post #4907 of 5240
Quote:
Originally Posted by DonH50 View Post

On distance: Speaker distance is more than physical distance; the crossovers affect phase and may change the "distance" from the physical. That said, you can try moving the sub a little to see if it changes the distance; there might be a reflection influencing the measurement.
I have not tried changing names on mine; check the manual or just give it a go and see. Hint: You can download the manual as a PDF and it is much easier to search.
HTH - Don

Don so does this mean that if it sets it at a longer distance than the physical distance should I leave it there and it will be ok? If there is reflection influencing the measurement I guess I will have to live with this correct?
post #4908 of 5240
Sounds Good I will re run the MCACC and leave it where it comes out.
post #4909 of 5240
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Originally Posted by Paraneer View Post

Does anyone know is an SC-25 will accept SACD DSD via HDMI? Thanks!

The downloadable pdf of the user manual is your friend, when combined with the search function!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Display indicators, pages 18,19 

6 DSD PCM – Light during DSD (Direct Stream Digital) to PCM conversion with SACDs.
Quote:
Originally Posted by page 32 

This receiver supports the functions described below through HDMI connections.
  • Input of the following digital audio formats:
    – Dolby Digital, Dolby Digital Plus, DTS, High bitrate audio (Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD Master Audio), DVDAudio, CD, SACD (DSD signal), Video CD, Super VCD
Hope this helps!

Dan.
post #4910 of 5240
Thanks Dan. Looks like I will have no problem.
post #4911 of 5240
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Originally Posted by briandaniella View Post

Oh by the way what does everyone on here think of Axiom Audio Speakers? They look real nice. I was thinking of a 7.1 system to go with my SC-27.
The M60 system since the are 8ohms. Can this SC-27 handle 4 ohm speakers??
I have been running the Axiom M80 speakers(4 ohm) for almost three years on my SC27 with no problems at all. Pioneer didn't rate the SC27 for 4 ohm, and they don't recommend the use of 4 ohm speakers. Nonetheless, I have seen where others, as well as myself, have had no problem pushing them. I am very impressed with the sound of my Axioms, especially when I didn't have to spend an arm and a leg to own them. Just my opinion, of course.
post #4912 of 5240
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Originally Posted by briandaniella View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by DonH50 View Post

On distance: Speaker distance is more than physical distance; the crossovers affect phase and may change the "distance" from the physical. That said, you can try moving the sub a little to see if it changes the distance; there might be a reflection influencing the measurement.
I have not tried changing names on mine; check the manual or just give it a go and see. Hint: You can download the manual as a PDF and it is much easier to search.
HTH - Don

Don so does this mean that if it sets it at a longer distance than the physical distance should I leave it there and it will be ok? If there is reflection influencing the measurement I guess I will have to live with this correct?

1. Yes.
2. That is probably not the problem so I would not worry about reflections, especially in the bass region.

The only thing I would to is to move the mic a little and rerun MCACC to see if the result is the same.
post #4913 of 5240
Quote:
Originally Posted by DonH50 View Post

1. Yes.
2. That is probably not the problem so I would not worry about reflections, especially in the bass region.
The only thing I would to is to move the mic a little and rerun MCACC to see if the result is the same.

Thanks this did the trick. I re adjusted them farther out than the physical distance. I did have to move the mic a bit for everything to "OK" and go thru.
post #4914 of 5240
Quote:
Originally Posted by DonH50 View Post

1. Yes.
2. That is probably not the problem so I would not worry about reflections, especially in the bass region.
The only thing I would to is to move the mic a little and rerun MCACC to see if the result is the same.

Readjusted them meaning I re ran the MCACC and it did its thing;
post #4915 of 5240
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Originally Posted by mlk4114 View Post

I have been running the Axiom M80 speakers(4 ohm) for almost three years on my SC27 with no problems at all. Pioneer didn't rate the SC27 for 4 ohm, and they don't recommend the use of 4 ohm speakers. Nonetheless, I have seen where others, as well as myself, have had no problem pushing them. I am very impressed with the sound of my Axioms, especially when I didn't have to spend an arm and a leg to own them. Just my opinion, of course.
This is great news . I have wondered that. I know it was bench tested at 3.2 ohms I know for home use it should be ok. I guess the best question is will I hear a huge difference from the M60 versus M80 in a 18X16X8 foot theater room.
post #4916 of 5240
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Originally Posted by briandaniella View Post

Readjusted them meaning I re ran the MCACC and it did its thing;

Cool, now on to listening!

Enjoy - Don
post #4917 of 5240
Have had my SC 27 now for over 2 years and not a single issue. Went to pick up the remote last night, and the LCD display was rapidly flashing the name of one of my inputs. I figured this was just low batteries, so I swapped them out and now the remote does nothing (no display or anything).

I do notice that if I take out both batteries, as soon as I put them in, the back lit buttons quickly flash red once. I can recreate this by pulling and replacing the batteries. These are brand new batteries so I know the batteries aren't the issue.

I called my local authorized Pioneer service center and they said they don't do remote repair, they just sell replacements.

Anyone have any ideas, or should I just go ahead and start shopping for a new remote?
post #4918 of 5240
Does anyone have a spare remote control for an SC-25? I am willing to negotiate price. My volume buttons stopped working. I took it apart and cleaned everything with a Q-tip, but I'm not holding my breath that it's going to work when I put it back together.
post #4919 of 5240
I can't get my SC-25 to output DTS-HD.

I've set my PS3 to "bitstream" (quadruple checked this), and in my blu-ray disc menus (Sin City, Nirvana Live at Paramount, etc.) I select "DTS-HD" in the audio menu.

But....during playback, my SC-25 says "DTS", not "DTS-HD". Can anyone help? This has been frustrating.
post #4920 of 5240
^^^
Do you have the fat or slim PS3? The fat (older) PS3 cannot bitstream high resolution audio formats (DTS-HD High Resolution and Master Audio, Dolby TrueHD).

If you have the Fat PS3, you have to decode the audio internally in the PS3. In the end, the bits that the dac of the AVR receives will be identical, so all you're loosing is the display of "DTS-HD MSTR" on the AVR, and maybe a little more jitter in the signal, but I'd dare you to spot the difference in a blind test...

Dan.
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