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post #5101 of 5240
Thanks for the reply Don. I have been doing some research this morning and stumbled on a post about an Atlona AT-HD570. Seems a little pricy, and being able to maintain multi-channel through the processing to analog is a bit more than I need, but from what I'm reading it works very well. I'm thinking I can take the second HDMI out from the BDP-62FD, connect it to the HD570, and then use the RCA's to an open input on the SC-27 and then I should be able to play anything on the 62FD on Zone 2. Being universal player, that means in addition to Pandora, I should be able to pass CD's, DVD-A's, SACD's, DTS, etc. I wasn't planning on spending another $200, but seeing even the new SC-68 can't take digital inputs to secondary zones, seems I don't have much of a choice. I sure hope this works!
post #5102 of 5240
I am using the HDMI and analog stereo outputs from my Oppo BDP-83, works fine.
post #5103 of 5240
I picked up a VSX-1122 for $200 a couple of months ago. Then I found a DV-79AVi on Craigslist for $50. It's the best "Zone 2" system I've ever had! It doesn't do BluRays though...
post #5104 of 5240
^^
no blu-ray but you have one of the 2 best Pioneer players for music, especially if you had one of Pioneer's older receivers with PQLS over ILink connection. A hard to beat combo for multichannel music.

the 2 best Pio player in the Ilink era were the 59avi and 79avi. count yourself lucky you got it for 50. they typically go for several hundred on places like Audigon, new, they were $1000 players. someone didn't know what they had wink.gif

I have a 59avi, still use ILink and would be more than happy to take that 79 off your hands if you get tired of it wink.gif
Edited by ss9001 - 6/10/13 at 9:07pm
post #5105 of 5240
Unfortunately, my BDP-62FD doesn't have analog outputs. I just bought the 62FD to replace my 23FD and DV-58AV, that I used for DVD-A and SACD. While those both did have analog outputs, I needed room for the EP4000 amp to power the Zone 2. Neither of the old units had any web access, so that was an upgrade I was looking for as well. From what I hear, the 62FD handles DVD-A and SACD just as good as the older 58/59/79, so I thought that would be a good all around universal player while adding web content, especially that I caught it on sale at BB for $200. However, I didn't catch before hand that Zone 2/3 won't handle digital. Probably should have gone the Oppo route. Therein lays how I got to this point. Hopefully this AT-HD570 saves the day. I'm trying to reach them to see if they have a less costly HDMI to Analog 2.0 Stereo only version as paying for Multi-Channel output capability is a waste.
post #5106 of 5240
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Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post

^^
no blu-ray but you have one of the 2 best Pioneer players for music, especially if you had one of Pioneer's older receivers with PQLS over ILink connection. A hard to beat combo for multichannel music.

the 2 best Pio player in the Ilink era were the 59avi and 79avi. count yourself lucky you got it for 50. they typically go for several hundred on places like Audigon, new, they were $1000 players. someone didn't know what they had wink.gif

I have a 59avi, still use ILink and would be more than happy to take that 79 off your hands if you get tired of it wink.gif

I have a 59AVi also.

The longer story is that when I spoke with the guy about his 79AVi, he told me he also had a 59AVi. I asked him if he could show them both to me so I could decide which one I wanted. When we met, he accepted my offer of $75 for both of them. I have no use for the 59, so its wrapped in a pillowcase under my desk in my office (next to my old DV-563a) waiting for a rainy day... smile.gif

EDIT: Can you tell me the benefit of PQLS with these players? I thought the main benefit of having a disc player of the caliber of the 59AVi and 79AVi is that they possess outstanding DACs and analog outputs. Using these players to send PCM is kind of like choosing a Ferrari for your daily rush hour commute, isnt it?
Edited by palmfish - 6/12/13 at 12:38pm
post #5107 of 5240
Hello fellas,

i'm new here, and i need help with my Pioneer SC-25 Elite. I have configurated the network in his setup, and i have the RS Protocol Codes, but i don't understand the syntax, i don't now how to make de code. Anyone can help me with an example of the codes? Am i must to activate the network control? And how i do this?
post #5108 of 5240
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

EDIT: Can you tell me the benefit of PQLS with these players? I thought the main benefit of having a disc player of the caliber of the 59AVi and 79AVi is that they possess outstanding DACs and analog outputs. Using these players to send PCM is kind of like choosing a Ferrari for your daily rush hour commute, isnt it?

I can only, partially, address the PQLS issue. The idea behind it (and similar connections from other manufacturers) is to reduce jitter on the data stream, which is often used as the clock. However, Pioneer chose an implementation in the AVR that is quite low in jitter, and test results (which I have no hope of finding but they were posted here on AVS at one time) show Pio's scheme was up to an order of magnitude or more lower in jitter than other AVRs. The bottom line is you are very unlikely to hear a difference with PQLS. But perception is everything... I do seem to recall interoperability issues with PQLS and some players and TVs but I could well be mistaken. My Oppo does not have it so I do not use it.
post #5109 of 5240
Thanks for the info Don.

I personally am a "jitter skeptic" but I can see where a link like PQLS (and those used by other companies) could improve performance (on paper).

Of course the question remains, if your player has a TOTL DAC and analog stage built in, then there is no need for PQLS. In a way, including PQLS on a player is admitting that it is not of the highest quality. That, or Pioneer provides it to give the owner more connectivity options or maybe future-proofs it somehow.
post #5110 of 5240
Does anyone know how to get into the options of the 25 and let the video passthrough? I have an oppo 103 connected and I would like that to do all the video processing. I've also read that turning the video processing off on the receiver will help with the audio sync issues.
post #5111 of 5240
^^
yes all you have to do is turn the video processor off for that particular input (Oppo). use the Video Parameters button on the remote. the 1st item is Video Converter on/off. select off.
post #5112 of 5240
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Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post

^^
yes all you have to do is turn the video processor off for that particular input (Oppo). use the Video Parameters button on the remote. the 1st item is Video Converter on/off. select off.

Hmm, when I click the video paremeters button it says not available. That's strange.
post #5113 of 5240
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Originally Posted by fletcher6490 View Post

Hmm, when I click the video paremeters button it says not available. That's strange.

ahhh....my memory is failing me wink.gif

In the earlier generations of Ice amp receivers, Pioneer did not allow the video processor to be used for any HDMI input. Their philosophy was that the source or the display should do video processing/scaling not the receiver for HDMI. They changed that, bowing to competitive pressure, starting with the SC-37/35 generation. So, the SC-09, SC-07/05, & SC-27/25 models all have the video processor bypassed for HDMI. There is nothing you have to do, so good to go using the Oppo's processor. The unavailable message means it isn't used anyway.

I had forgotten when Pioneer changed this, sorry about that.
post #5114 of 5240
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Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post

ahhh....my memory is failing me wink.gif

In the earlier generations of Ice amp receivers, Pioneer did not allow the video processor to be used for any HDMI input. Their philosophy was that the source or the display should do video processing/scaling not the receiver for HDMI. They changed that, bowing to competitive pressure, starting with the SC-37/35 generation. So, the SC-09, SC-07/05, & SC-27/25 models all have the video processor bypassed for HDMI. There is nothing you have to do, so good to go using the Oppo's processor. The unavailable message means it isn't used anyway.

I had forgotten when Pioneer changed this, sorry about that.

Haha, of course. I've been searching everywhere trying to figure it out and there was no processing going on the whole time. Thank you very much for the info. Much appreciated!
post #5115 of 5240
Hello Everyone. I've had an SC27 for the past 2.5 years. SIMPLY LOVE IT.

System:
Pioneer Elite sc-27
Oppo BDP-83SE
Russound SDB 6.1
Panamax M5400-PM
BG Radias Z-7 frontLR
BG Radia Z-5 center
BG Radia Z-Sub i Active Subwoofer
Mirage OASIS OMNI 6 outdoor patio speakers
Generic 8" Alum cone woofer inceiling speakers (dining room)
Audioquest Coffee HDMI (OPPO to SC27)
monoprice HDMI10ft 24AWG CL2 Silver Plated Product ID 3659 (SC27 to Plasma)
Paul Spletz Anticables level two RCA's for the analog out of OPPO 83SE
Audioquest Rocket 88 biwire cables for LR peakers
Audioquest Rockefeller dual-biwire for center
Audioquest Sub-3 for Subwoofer
Pangea AC-9 powe cables

And Just this year a new Panasonic 55" VT50.

With this new Plasma, I have a problem. It doesn't have analog outs for audio. It only has a toslink/optical audio out. I like to run diff source audio to several Zones. From what I understand is, Only analog audio inputs/source can be pushed to zone 2 or 3. I like playing Pandora from TV and streaming it to my zones. What Options do I have?

Thanks for your help

FYI, I have two SC-27's One upstairs in Master, eventually I'll setup Zones for balcony and master bath. So many audio projects soo little time, lol.
post #5116 of 5240
To save some time, I have found three solutions to the TV Audio to Zones output:

Solutiion one =

S.M.S.L SD-1955 DAC, found on ebay.com.

Solution two =

OPPO BDP-105, so I can use the new "Digital inputs" like an external DAC. And with this option I'll have 3D for my new VT50 Plasma.
post #5117 of 5240
Hey guys i'm in the UK and have a SC LX82 (SC-27) could any of you kind people help me with a problem, i'm running the latest firmware but am still unable to get HDMI passthrough from my tivo box unless the amp is on, as soon as i turn it off it shuts the hdmi down as well, i'm feeding into a very old pannasonic 1080i plasma, has anybody got a solution for this?
Cheers
Carl.
post #5118 of 5240
^^^ You need to have Kuro Link on, and your source HDMI device should support KuroLink (HDMI CEC) for passthrough to work. So passthrough from Tivo is probably out of the question.
Quote:
Originally Posted by SC-27 manual page 85 
When the receiver’s KURO LINK is turned ON, even
if the receiver’s power is in the standby mode, it is
possible to output the audio and video signals from a
player via HDMI to the TV without producing sound
from the receiver, but only when a KURO LINKcompatible
component (Blu-ray disc player, etc.) and
compatible TV are connected. In this case, the
receiver’s power turns on and the power and HDMI
indicators light.

Dan.
post #5119 of 5240
Thanks Dan.
post #5120 of 5240
Just a quick update...
Now have an XPA-2 Gen 2 as front amp...

I see a big improvement... better imaging and much more bass...
Speakers placement is still the same and using same eq...
Simply have disabled front speakers on the SC-25 and connected the pre out to the XPA-2...Did not change anything else...


At medium volumes level I can feel the bass on the floor... never had that with the SC-25 as front amp...
post #5121 of 5240
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Originally Posted by master666nclt View Post

Just a quick update...
Now have an XPA-2 Gen 2 as front amp...

I see a big improvement... better imaging and much more bass...
Speakers placement is still the same and using same eq...
Simply have disabled front speakers on the SC-25 and connected the pre out to the XPA-2...Did not change anything else...


At medium volumes level I can feel the bass on the floor... never had that with the SC-25 as front amp...

Interesting. What speakers are you driving with the XPA-2?
post #5122 of 5240
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Originally Posted by croseiv View Post

Interesting. What speakers are you driving with the XPA-2?


Monitor Audio RS-8
post #5123 of 5240
Any body got a copy of the file for the HMG Firmware Version: 3.7.19.8761 (Firmware Date: 2011-7-14) that they wouldn't mind sharing?... its no longer on Pioneers website

Thanks
post #5124 of 5240
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Originally Posted by clancyCJF View Post

Any body got a copy of the file for the HMG Firmware Version: 3.7.19.8761 (Firmware Date: 2011-7-14) that they wouldn't mind sharing?... its no longer on Pioneers website

Thanks

The last HMG firmware was 3.7.34.8761 (Firmware Date: 2011-07-21) and is still available on Pioneer's website, URL=http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/AV-Receivers/Elite+Receivers/SC-27?tab=firmware]http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/AV-Receivers/Elite+Receivers/SC-27?tab=firmware[/URL].

(Click on the "Rhapsody" link if the firmware tab will not open)

The firmware history does not list 3.7.19.8761.
John
post #5125 of 5240
Thanks... why this is not under the support links on the Pioneer site is beyond me... but thanks for the link. I will bookmark this for future use
post #5126 of 5240
Note that once updated in the SC-27 from file above, the SC-27 will list current firmware as 3.7.19.8761, not 3.7.34.8761.

Dan.
post #5127 of 5240
Cool... Thanks for the heads-up
post #5128 of 5240
Quote:
Originally Posted by master666nclt View Post

Just a quick update...
Now have an XPA-2 Gen 2 as front amp...

I see a big improvement... better imaging and much more bass...
Speakers placement is still the same and using same eq...
Simply have disabled front speakers on the SC-25 and connected the pre out to the XPA-2...Did not change anything else...


At medium volumes level I can feel the bass on the floor... never had that with the SC-25 as front amp...

Nice addition with the XPA 2. For a valid comparison the system needs to be recalibrated due the high gain structure of EMO amps.
post #5129 of 5240
New firmware V1.74 Get it at a Pioneer FAQ near you wink.gif
post #5130 of 5240
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Originally Posted by Hkan View Post

New firmware V1.74 Get it at a Pioneer FAQ near you wink.gif

Because if you don't, your SC-27 will explode on September 14th... tongue.gif
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