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post #61 of 5240
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Originally Posted by CHP_VR View Post

William06;
Only thing I can think of is this happened when I first set up my DV-59AVi...
Resetting it brought everything the way it was supposed to.

To reset it.
From your 49 manual (page 70):

Resetting the player
Use this procedure to reset all the player's
settings to the factory default.
1 Switch the player into standby.
2 Using the front panel buttons, hold
down the 7 (stop) button and press
STANDBY/ON to switch the player back
on.
All the player's settings are now reset, and
you should see the Let's Get Started' screen.

Other than that, double check you have it plugged in to component 2..
then double check that it's setup to operate in component 2 in the input setup menu as VIDEO2..
(component2 default is DVR - see page 32 of your SC-27 manual)

Hey thanks I will give it a try and let you know. I really want the 45 for just the sacd and dvd a and hate to buy another unit I really did not want the oppo and like the 23 so far.
post #62 of 5240
Thank you. At least I know what to expect from the 27's FM stage. I thought it would be pretty lousy. Is it not wild that FM is marvelous on the Tandberg? I shows it can be done.

Glad to know there are commercially available switches I can use. I'll look at gadgetboard.

Re pre-outs on the Tandberg, what it has is a button on the front labeled "Pre-amp record" and a jack next to it like a headphone jack that says "Tape 3" above it. I remember that the manual (lovingly retained by me, of course) warns owners never to release that "Pre-amp record" button carelessly. They put that warning in the manual about 3 times. I'll read the manual on this again in the near future. So you think I could just feed the FM signal from the Tandberg into the Pio 27? Very cool if I can. Many thanks. BTW the Tandberg 2075 cost me $1,099 in 1976, big money for a receiver then. You see them from time to time on ebay, if anyone cares to see what they look like. A beautiful piece of audio equipment and it sounds just stunning with FM, LPs, reel to reel tape, movies, CDs and especially, DVD-As from my Panny S-97. It pays to buy quality.

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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

fresno, unless the upgraded the tuner section on the 27 over last year's models, you'll be disappointed when compared to your tandberg...

as far as switching... someone has done it with a gadgetboard... there are also commercially available switches...

but why even bother with a switch? the tandberg has pre-outs, doesn't it?
post #63 of 5240
you are welcome...

imo, if you want a good tuner, vintage is probably the best way to go... not that they don't have their quirks, but they are repairable, and with a bit of cleaning and tlc, they should be pretty much good for a long time...

i suppose it kind of makes sense in a way that in "modern" equipment that the tuner is an afterthought (looking at it from a usa-centric pov)... i know very few people who actually listen to music "on the radio" anymore, at least critically... edit: that's not to say that you shouldn't... and maybe the reason people don't is because the tuners are so lousy... so it could be a "chicken and egg" kind of thing...

i believe that if you look on the back of that tandberg, there's a pair of pre-outs that are jumpered back into the amplification section (digging WAY back into the memory banks here, so i could be thinking of a different model)... if so, you should be able to remove the jumpers and connect the pre-outs into the sc... check the manual, but it should have acceptable voltage level and impedance...
post #64 of 5240
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Originally Posted by william06 View Post

Hey thanks I will give it a try and let you know. I really want the 45 for just the sacd and dvd a and hate to buy another unit I really did not want the oppo and like the 23 so far.

Up date tried it but did not work. But I guess in all the confusion duh I had it set on the wrong component imput after all. All is okay I told u it was something stupid (me) thanks for the help.
post #65 of 5240
^^^^
Main thing is you got it going
Lot's of options on this beast, it's easy to overlook one detail.

Enjoy!

We're still waiting on what you think about the PQLS feature in combo with your BPD23.
post #66 of 5240
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Originally Posted by welwynnick View Post


On a completely separate issue:

I think you might be on to something there. The SC-05 & SC-07 both have anti-jitter cricuits, but only the -07 has a Burr-Brown chip (actually under the TI banner). The BB chip is a high-end digital audio sample rate convertor with I2S (audio) inputs, and it operates in the audio domain. From what you say, the SC-05 may use an SRC that works on the HDMI signal - which is in the video domain, and has not been down-converted to audio. I sure know which one I would rather have!

regards, Nick

I've narrowed my choice (should I decide on a pioneer) to between the new 25 and 27...This is part of an older and quite helpful post from last year... (concerning the sampling rate converter) and re-posting it may be of help to many others... in any case, and maybe its obvious, but my question is ... which one and why?

I posted this in the 05/07 thread and it went without a response, thought I'd try over here... thank you in advance...
post #67 of 5240
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Originally Posted by CHP_VR View Post

Pioneer does not touch HDMI signals.
It will convert and scale analog to HDMI.

Oh, so you're saying that if I use a HDMI cable off of my HD cable box, the Pioneer won't scale the 1080i/720p HDTV up to 1080p? If that's true that's pretty weak for a receiver of this class and definitely a deal breaker for me. That's really too bad because it looks like a winner otherwise, assuming its Faroudja scaling is about as good as the Reon HQV in others. I was excited about those ICE amps =(
post #68 of 5240
nope, it won't... no pioneer avr's will... conscious design decision on their part... fwiw, many of us believe that's a good decision... others feel differently, and they are more than entitled to that opinion...

not only that, but it won't perform processing any hd input signal, even if it comes in over component... it will transcode it to hdmi for output, but that's it...

the faroudja solution (when properly and completely implemented) isn't the equal of the reon solution (when properly and completely implemented)... but one shouldn't assume that either is properly and completely implemented in any avr... many ce's (cough... onkyo... cough) have hosed it up before...

what are you using for a display?
post #69 of 5240
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

nope, it won't... no pioneer avr's will... conscious design decision on their part... fwiw, many of us believe that's a good decision... others feel differently, and they are more than entitled to that opinion...

not only that, but it won't perform processing any hd input signal, even if it comes in over component... it will transcode it to hdmi for output, but that's it...

the faroudja solution (when properly and completely implemented) isn't the equal of the reon solution (when properly and completely implemented)... but one shouldn't assume that either is properly and completely implemented in any avr... many ce's (cough... onkyo... cough) have hosed it up before...

what are you using for a display?

Thanks for the detailed information - unfortunately this is a complete deal breaker for me. It should at least be an option on this class of receiver, then whoever wants it can use it and vise versa. I was actually really excited about these receivers until now. They seem to have all the bells & whistles, 140wpc with all channels being driven, and ICE power - awesome.

I will be using a projector of some kind (still researching) but at my parents house we have a InFocus IN83 projector on a 92" screen with an Onkyo 906 receiver. The 1080p scaling from the Reon HQV is noticeable & appreciated, and it will scale absolutely anything from any input, digital or analog.

Depending on the projector I choose, it will do the scaling to 1080p for me, but I don't want to be limited in any way.

I'd be looking at the Sherwood Newcastle R-972 but it could be released tomorrow or 10 years from now, who knows....it was supposed to be out a couple years ago
post #70 of 5240
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Originally Posted by fresno1232001 View Post

...Is it not wild that FM is marvelous on the Tandberg? I shows it can be done.

That's a name I haven't heard for a long time!

I googled them and they're still around as a company - but they're product line is video conferencing solutions now, nothing audio related at all.

I remember seeing Tandberg reel-to-reel & cassette tape decks in audio shops. Enjoy that vintage gear

ss9001
post #71 of 5240
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Originally Posted by CHP_VR View Post

^^^^
Main thing is you got it going
Lot's of options on this beast, it's easy to overlook one detail.

Enjoy!

We're still waiting on what you think about the PQLS feature in combo with your BPD23.

This is quite a beast. I played a few cd's with the pqls and even my wife who is clueless most times notices a nice difference. I thought the sound was more detailed expansive and seemed more powerful with it on. This is just with 2 ch. I look forward to trying it in all ways available. At this point in time I have owned a few receivers and separates in my time and find this Elite 27 to be the best sounding and most flexable I have used yet. I also noticed few video items compared to my prior denon 4308ci. There are absolutely no dropouts as compared to my denon. The picture has more color detail and is clearer and richer. As this is over HDMI (hi def) to DVI with no processing . I have not yet used this with my projector but will try itsometime today. I notice a few members are a little concerned that this unit does not scale any video HD signals over HDMI. Most sources that present 1080p over HDMI have some scaling or video adjustments so that is some what unecessary but it is for analog. That is one of the reasons I like the source direct setting on the 23.
post #72 of 5240
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Originally Posted by Mark S. View Post

Thanks for the detailed information - unfortunately this is a complete deal breaker for me. It should at least be an option on this class of receiver, then whoever wants it can use it and vise versa. I was actually really excited about these receivers until now. They seem to have all the bells & whistles, 140wpc with all channels being driven, and ICE power - awesome.

I will be using a projector of some kind (still researching) but at my parents house we have a InFocus IN83 projector on a 92" screen with an Onkyo 906 receiver. The 1080p scaling from the Reon HQV is noticeable & appreciated, and it will scale absolutely anything from any input, digital or analog.

Depending on the projector I choose, it will do the scaling to 1080p for me, but I don't want to be limited in any way.

I'd be looking at the Sherwood Newcastle R-972 but it could be released tomorrow or 10 years from now, who knows....it was supposed to be out a couple years ago

well, fortunately for all of us who have different needs, there's different options... and since video processing in the avr is a deal breaking need for you, the pio isn't going to cut it... 'tis ok, other companies need to stay in business too...

an unsolicited suggestion... before i bought anything, i'd make up my mind on what all my components are going to be first... it's entirely possible that when you come up with your final component list that certain needs will be fulfilled in other places...

re: r-972. wasn't there some scuttlebutt recently that it was being cancelled entirely? if so, that's too bad. more competition is always a good thing.
post #73 of 5240
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

well, fortunately for all of us who have different needs, there's different options... and since video processing in the avr is a deal breaking need for you, the pio isn't going to cut it... 'tis ok, other companies need to stay in business too...

an unsolicited suggestion... before i bought anything, i'd make up my mind on what all my components are going to be first... it's entirely possible that when you come up with your final component list that certain needs will be fulfilled in other places...

re: r-972. wasn't there some scuttlebutt recently that it was being cancelled entirely? if so, that's too bad. more competition is always a good thing.

I do plan on choosing everything BEFORE my receiver, so it is still possible the SC27 will work for me, but we will see. Its those ICE amps that really appeal to me - everything else can be found in other brands.

I certainly hope the R-972 isn't cancelled... The only buzz I'm aware of is that Sherwood is apparently already talking about a R-973, which probably won't be here for 5 more years so there is little point in announcing it haha. The last few pages of this thread seem to be the latest discussion on it: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...php?p=17023681

If you're right though, I will be even more dissapointed . I'm also waiting to see what comes of the Emotiva UMC-1 which is supposed to be done any time now.
post #74 of 5240
^^

If only Trinnov were available in other brands...I admit to being intrigued by what I've read about it. Really like to see it give Audyssey a run for the money Audyssey needs to be challenged for the top spot!

MCACC, YPAO, Anthem's ARC, etc all are considered excellent, but somehow Audyssey gets that brand recognition as "best" & I don't think it is for some users. It seems to get its share of people posting about how they don't like the results or bass response using it. While it may be one of the most advanced technically, that doesn't always translate to the best results.

If Trinnov were made available as a similarly priced stand-alone processor as Audyssey, I'd seriously consider adding it to my system I believe the only stand-alone box now is for the pro studio recording market & costs $14-15K.

ss9001
post #75 of 5240
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Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post

^^

If only Trinnov were available in other brands...I admit to being intrigued by what I've read about it. Really like to see it give Audyssey a run for the money Audyssey needs to be challenged for the top spot!

MCACC, YPAO, Anthem's ARC, etc all are considered excellent, but somehow Audyssey gets that brand recognition as "best" & I don't think it is for some users. It seems to get its share of people posting about how they don't like the results or bass response using it. While it may be one of the most advanced technically, that doesn't always translate to the best results.

If Trinnov were made available as a similarly priced stand-alone processor as Audyssey, I'd seriously consider adding it to my system I believe the only stand-alone box now is for the pro studio recording market & costs $14-15K.

ss9001


I just came from the denon camp 2nd receiver in a row with Audyssey and the 4308ci very advanced. Although I had a good set up and worked with it untill I thought I was happy. There was a lot of room for improvement. Since buying the 27 I did the Macc once and am so far very pleased with it. My subs never sounded so good. So mabey the Audyssey is over hyped.
post #76 of 5240
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Originally Posted by Mark S. View Post

I do plan on choosing everything BEFORE my receiver, so it is still possible the SC27 will work for me, but we will see. Its those ICE amps that really appeal to me - everything else can be found in other brands.

I certainly hope the R-972 isn't cancelled... The only buzz I'm aware of is that Sherwood is apparently already talking about a R-973, which probably won't be here for 5 more years so there is little point in announcing it haha. The last few pages of this thread seem to be the latest discussion on it: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...php?p=17023681

If you're right though, I will be even more dissapointed . I'm also waiting to see what comes of the Emotiva UMC-1 which is supposed to be done any time now.

Mark.....ccotenj laid it out well. I'll just add, before making a decision about the "need" to upconvert 720p or 1080i to 1080p, take a look at those native resolutions in their original formats. Then, if you can, look at them upconverted and see if you note a significant difference.

All of my sources (BD player, DVD player, SA 8300HD cable box, display) are capable of doing upconverting from 480i/p to 1080i/p (cable box sends out the signal in its native format).

My son has a Wii connected to, via analog. Even upconverting its 480i to 1080p doesn't yield a significantly better picture. There's only so much you can do with a SD image.

Even 720p (mostly seen on cable HD channels like ESPN) doesn't yield a significant image improvement at 1080.

If you've got a good projector or a display (I've got a KURO), you're going to be doing video processing twice if you go to an AVR that uses a chip to upconvert everything to 1080p. That's a detriment.

So, I agree with Pioneer's stance. Do no processing of HDMI/HD signal sources. The gains from analog SD sources to 1080p yields very minimal improvements (if any, at all).

Not trying to dissuade you one way or another. A lot of us have experimented with this very issue and have fallen on the side of how Pioneer does it.
post #77 of 5240
^^
+1

At first disappointment until you begin to see the wisdom of not messing with the HDMI signal

Pioneer's stance to let the player/source or the display do the processing seems to be a good one for many people. We don't see too many posts about handshake problems, dropouts, incompatibilities, artifacting, etc with the SC series.

But, the user has to decide what's best for his needs & buy accordingly. If Reon/Realta/Qdeo quality is wanted for video processing, make sure the player comes so equipped & you're home free. Also, these receivers compliment Pioneer's existing plasmas, which have very good processors of their own. Down the road when there are no more Pioneer Kuros, maybe they'll change their implementation....but that's all conjecture.

ss9001
post #78 of 5240
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Originally Posted by graphicguy View Post

Mark.....ccotenj laid it out well. I'll just add, before making a decision about the "need" to upconvert 720p or 1080i to 1080p, take a look at those native resolutions in their original formats. Then, if you can, look at them upconverted and see if you note a significant difference.

All of my sources (BD player, DVD player, SA 8300HD cable box, display) are capable of doing upconverting from 480i/p to 1080i/p (cable box sends out the signal in its native format).

My son has a Wii connected to, via analog. Even upconverting its 480i to 1080p doesn't yield a significantly better picture. There's only so much you can do with a SD image.

Even 720p (mostly seen on cable HD channels like ESPN) doesn't yield a significant image improvement at 1080.

If you've got a good projector or a display (I've got a KURO), you're going to be doing video processing twice if you go to an AVR that uses a chip to upconvert everything to 1080p. That's a detriment.

So, I agree with Pioneer's stance. Do no processing of HDMI/HD signal sources. The gains from analog SD sources to 1080p yields very minimal improvements (if any, at all).

Not trying to dissuade you one way or another. A lot of us have experimented with this very issue and have fallen on the side of how Pioneer does it.

Thanks for your reply.

I highly doubt i could notice the differences in most resolutions on a small screen, but on a large projection screen, I can tell the difference between 720p HDTV and the same thing scaled to 1080p by the Reon chip in the Onkyo 906. The biggest difference though comes from DVD's, where they look absolutely phenominal scaled to 1080p, which makes it so that I don't have to re-buy all of my DVDs in blu-ray . Because I have a large DVD collection and watch a lot of HDTV, this is important to me.

If, however, I end up with something like the Mitsubishi HC6500U, it has the Reon HQV scaling chip inside and I could use the Pioneer receiver with seemingly no drawbacks as the projector would scale anything coming over HDMI less than 1080p. It would also likely do a better job even than the Faroudja analog scaler in the Pioneer receiver assuming I could set those inputs to "through".

My DVD/Blu-ray player will be a PS3, so it will be sending everything over HDMI. Basically it comes down to me picking a projector that meets my scaling requirements, and if it does, the processing in the receiver doesn't really matter. That said, I would still rather have that option than not have it if Pioneer is going to charge the same or more money for their units as others do who include Reon processing.

Anyways, clearly I have a lot of thinking to do.

Thanks again for the thoughts, even though it just makes my decisions harder
post #79 of 5240
if you want the pio, but you require video processing over hdmi, you have a few options...

a) get projector with chip that you want...
b) external processor, such as the dvdo edge...

i'd lean towards "b", personally... having owned one, i can say from personal experience that the video processing is totl, and also it is far more flexible than any chip built into an avr or display will be, as all of the features available on the abt chip are enabled...

sure is a shame that all those other ce companies charge the same or more for avrs that don't have ice amps... if you get my drift...
post #80 of 5240
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Originally Posted by Mark S. View Post

Thanks for your reply.

I highly doubt i could notice the differences in most resolutions on a small screen, but on a large projection screen, I can tell the difference between 720p HDTV and the same thing scaled to 1080p by the Reon chip in the Onkyo 906. The biggest difference though comes from DVD's, where they look absolutely phenominal scaled to 1080p, which makes it so that I don't have to re-buy all of my DVDs in blu-ray . Because I have a large DVD collection and watch a lot of HDTV, this is important to me.

If, however, I end up with something like the Mitsubishi HC6500U, it has the Reon HQV scaling chip inside and I could use the Pioneer receiver with seemingly no drawbacks as the projector would scale anything coming over HDMI less than 1080p. It would also likely do a better job even than the Faroudja analog scaler in the Pioneer receiver assuming I could set those inputs to "through".

My DVD/Blu-ray player will be a PS3, so it will be sending everything over HDMI. Basically it comes down to me picking a projector that meets my scaling requirements, and if it does, the processing in the receiver doesn't really matter. That said, I would still rather have that option than not have it if Pioneer is going to charge the same or more money for their units as others do who include Reon processing.

Anyways, clearly I have a lot of thinking to do.

Thanks again for the thoughts, even though it just makes my decisions harder

Certainly understand!

For the record, my newly reacquired Pioneer BDP51 blu ray player upconverts DVDs better than any I've seen to date, and gives stunning DVD PQ. I had one before. Didn't like that it was slow. But, when they dropped to $150 at BB, I picked up another. Still can't beat it. And, that's with a PS3 in my system, as well as a go round with Sammy (with Reon), OPPO (981), Sharp, JVC, and LG players.

Point being, you can achieve what you're trying to achieve depending on the BD/DVD player you choose.
post #81 of 5240
ccotenj & graphic guy, you both make good points, thanks again for your help.

It is true that although the Pioneer's lack ideal video processing (for me), they do have the same stats as many seperate amplifiers do, I think they are the only receiver I've seen so far that rates their power with all channels driven like a separate amp, and cool power is a bonus. Would there even be a point to buying a separate amp at that point? I would think not, unless your speakers have ridiculous power demands.

The DVDO edge would be an option, but if I am going to be looking at that plus a receiver, I should be comparing it to receivers in the $3000 price range (or even separates). Here in Canada the DVDO Edge is $699.

I would think the video processing in a $2000+ projector would be better than in a $150 BDP but who knows (and if I can't tell a difference I don't care ). I wouldn't feel bad about buying a dedicated blu-ray player for ~$150 but an external video processor would be a different story as I'm already pushing my receiver budget pretty hard.

Do you guys know what the difference between the Pioneer SC25 and 27 are? I thought the 27 had better DACs, but the Pioneer website lists the same stats for both.

Combining all of my above thoughts with the other option of Emotiva separates, and I am extremely confused .

Thanks again,

Mark
post #82 of 5240
i'm "guessing" that the differences between the 25 and the 27 are similar to the differences between the 05 and 07, which you can find on the first post of the 05/07 thread (click on the link in my sig)...

speaking of 05/07... i wonder if you could still score one of those up in the great white north at anywhere near the discounts that we've seen in the states... if so, that might give you a bit more room in the budget for either a processor and/or a better projector... just another option to consider, as imo, an 05/07 plus an edge would whup anything in the under 2k price range...
post #83 of 5240
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Originally Posted by Mark S. View Post

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I would think the video processing in a $2000+ projector would be better than in a $150 BDP but who knows (and if I can't tell a difference I don't care ). I wouldn't feel bad about buying a dedicated blu-ray player for ~$150 but an external video processor would be a different story as I'm already pushing my receiver budget pretty hard.
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$150 is what gg got it for, Mark.. the BDP-51 was a $600 Blue-Ray player over a year ago (the BDP-05 was $800)
I know, that's what I paid for it August of 08, and still happy with it. An as a bonus, it's one heck of a CD transport.
The DACs in the 51/05 are the same that's in the SC-05/07/25/27.. Wolfson WM8740
Whatever you decide, make sure you get the features you need.
Good luck.

Edit:
Only thing I can add is.... I still smile everytime I turn on my SC and hear it sing, whether it's dodging explosions or listening to music.
post #84 of 5240
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

i'm "guessing" that the differences between the 25 and the 27 are similar to the differences between the 05 and 07, which you can find on the first post of the 05/07 thread (click on the link in my sig)...

speaking of 05/07... i wonder if you could still score one of those up in the great white north at anywhere near the discounts that we've seen in the states... if so, that might give you a bit more room in the budget for either a processor and/or a better projector... just another option to consider, as imo, an 05/07 plus an edge would whup anything in the under 2k price range...

Post #6 in this thread gives you the main differences. By the way I think the amp in the 27 is so good I dropped my 2 ch B&K ammp out of my system. Loving this unit.
post #85 of 5240
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Originally Posted by CHP_VR View Post

earlraglin;

This is one option:

Cable is very important, it must be a null cable.

I use this cable:
(same one mentioned in the MCACC manual)
http://microcenter.com/single_produc...uct_id=0201663
and it works fine, another null cable I used did not work (I got the timeout messages).

If you are using a USB to serial adaptor (members in the SC-09 thread have been sucessful using an adaptor when their computer didn't have a serial port) that will just give you a straight connection.. you will still need a null cable (as above link) as well.

If you've done all that:
Another thing is to make sure you are using the correct com port (see page 9 of the SC-07 MCACC manual.)
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/St...ctions0708.pdf
Also, set the receiver to "Output PC" in the MCACC Data Check menu before clicking receive in the software application.

Hope that helps


MCACC Manuals and Software


Amsinay found this working solution:
He also noted that the new MCACC PC sofware (version 2.2) that will work on Vista now.


Serial to USB Cable ID:2067

USB to RS232 DB9 male(Serial) / DB25 male Converter Cable ($8.27)


and
Null modem cable ID: 478

Null Modem DB 9 F/F cable Molded - 10ft ($1.52) <-not a typo



Original posts:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...3#post16952213

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...3#post16954473

This is the actual pinout you're looking for in a null cable for your receiver:


So I need this cable http://microcenter.com/single_produc...uct_id=0201663
and this cable?Serial to USB Cable ID:2067.. Damn but it look like the cable that I already have.
post #86 of 5240
Thread Starter 
post #87 of 5240
That will give you straight out connectivity.. you'll still need a null serial cable.. $39?? WOW

I can't answer if that will work for you or not. I've never used it. sorry..
I can only tell you what I used and worked for me earlraglin and pass on what another member posted that worked for him.
post #88 of 5240
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Originally Posted by william06 View Post

I just played some of serenity, and Shreck lll, DD+ on xa2 through HDMI on the SC27 and I cannot believe it there were the dropouts. Never once on my Denon 4308 did that happen.

A couple of years or close I had a 94 and because of that I returned it after a week it was a deal breaker thenl. I really like this unit a lot and DD+ seems to be in the minority with the software companies anymore. Everything else is working great. Neural music, Internet music, BD, BDaudio,
DTS HD Master, I-pod fantastic. The set up for audio went smoothly thanks to the helpful hints I got here.
Two issues
1. I do not like that you do not have on screen status . This is important because I have a Front projection system for movies and my unit goes behind a drop down screen.

2. The idea that Pioneer has alowed the DD+ issue to go on so long with out a fix.

Other than that this is a pretty nice unit.

Still deciding weather to go for the 23 or the oppo 83
Love the 09 just a bit two expensive.

Thanks, I can't say I am surprised with this. The SC-05 and especially the BDP-05 have had numerous problems, bottom line Pioneer Elite isn't what it used to be.
post #89 of 5240
other than the dd+ issue (which has a very simple workaround, which is simply let the player decode it), would you care to enumerate the "problems" with the sc-05?
post #90 of 5240
Just upgraded to an SC-27.

I'm about ready to take it back to the store.

The problem is strange, so bear with me.

When you go through the list of recordings on the DVR, some of those recordings will have no audio. When you come back later (an hour maybe), and go down the list a second time, the recordings that do and do not play with audio will have changed.

Recordings that previously had no audio will play just fine, while recordings that previously *did* have audio will now be silent.

When a recording has no audio, the solution is to unplug the HDMI cable and plug it back in while the recording is playing.

You would *think* this was a problem with the DVR, however I have swapped out the DVR and still experienced the same problem. I have also swapped out the HDMI cable.

Thoughts?
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