Pioneer SC-25 and SC-27 Receiver Thread - Page 3

Originally Posted by CHP_VR

William06;
Only thing I can think of is this happened when I first set up my DV-59AVi...
Resetting it brought everything the way it was supposed to.

To reset it.
From your 49 manual (page 70):

Resetting the player
Use this procedure to reset all the player's
settings to the factory default.
1 Switch the player into standby.
2 Using the front panel buttons, hold
down the 7 (stop) button and press
STANDBY/ON to switch the player back
on.All the player's settings are now reset, and
you should see the Let's Get Started' screen.

Other than that, double check you have it plugged in to component 2..
then double check that it's setup to operate in component 2 in the input setup menu as VIDEO2..
(component2 default is DVR - see page 32 of your SC-27 manual)

Originally Posted by ccotenj

fresno, unless the upgraded the tuner section on the 27 over last year's models, you'll be disappointed when compared to your tandberg...

as far as switching... someone has done it with a gadgetboard... there are also commercially available switches...

but why even bother with a switch? the tandberg has pre-outs, doesn't it?

Originally Posted by william06

Hey thanks I will give it a try and let you know. I really want the 45 for just the sacd and dvd a and hate to buy another unit I really did not want the oppo and like the 23 so far.

Originally Posted by welwynnick


On a completely separate issue:

I think you might be on to something there. The SC-05 & SC-07 both have anti-jitter cricuits, but only the -07 has a Burr-Brown chip (actually under the TI banner). The BB chip is a high-end digital audio sample rate convertor with I2S (audio) inputs, and it operates in the audio domain. From what you say, the SC-05 may use an SRC that works on the HDMI signal - which is in the video domain, and has not been down-converted to audio. I sure know which one I would rather have!

regards, Nick

Originally Posted by CHP_VR

Pioneer does not touch HDMI signals.
It will convert and scale analog to HDMI.

Originally Posted by ccotenj

nope, it won't... no pioneer avr's will... conscious design decision on their part... fwiw, many of us believe that's a good decision... others feel differently, and they are more than entitled to that opinion...

not only that, but it won't perform processing any hd input signal, even if it comes in over component... it will transcode it to hdmi for output, but that's it...

the faroudja solution (when properly and completely implemented) isn't the equal of the reon solution (when properly and completely implemented)... but one shouldn't assume that either is properly and completely implemented in any avr... many ce's (cough... onkyo... cough) have hosed it up before...

what are you using for a display?

Originally Posted by fresno1232001

...Is it not wild that FM is marvelous on the Tandberg? I shows it can be done.

Originally Posted by CHP_VR

^^^^
Main thing is you got it going
Lot's of options on this beast, it's easy to overlook one detail.

Enjoy!

We're still waiting on what you think about the PQLS feature in combo with your BPD23.

Originally Posted by Mark S.

Thanks for the detailed information - unfortunately this is a complete deal breaker for me. It should at least be an option on this class of receiver, then whoever wants it can use it and vise versa. I was actually really excited about these receivers until now. They seem to have all the bells & whistles, 140wpc with all channels being driven, and ICE power - awesome.

I will be using a projector of some kind (still researching) but at my parents house we have a InFocus IN83 projector on a 92" screen with an Onkyo 906 receiver. The 1080p scaling from the Reon HQV is noticeable & appreciated, and it will scale absolutely anything from any input, digital or analog.

Depending on the projector I choose, it will do the scaling to 1080p for me, but I don't want to be limited in any way.

I'd be looking at the Sherwood Newcastle R-972 but it could be released tomorrow or 10 years from now, who knows....it was supposed to be out a couple years ago

Originally Posted by ccotenj

well, fortunately for all of us who have different needs, there's different options... and since video processing in the avr is a deal breaking need for you, the pio isn't going to cut it... 'tis ok, other companies need to stay in business too...

an unsolicited suggestion... before i bought anything, i'd make up my mind on what all my components are going to be first... it's entirely possible that when you come up with your final component list that certain needs will be fulfilled in other places...

re: r-972. wasn't there some scuttlebutt recently that it was being cancelled entirely? if so, that's too bad. more competition is always a good thing.

Originally Posted by ss9001

^^

If only Trinnov were available in other brands...I admit to being intrigued by what I've read about it. Really like to see it give Audyssey a run for the money Audyssey needs to be challenged for the top spot!

MCACC, YPAO, Anthem's ARC, etc all are considered excellent, but somehow Audyssey gets that brand recognition as "best" & I don't think it is for some users. It seems to get its share of people posting about how they don't like the results or bass response using it. While it may be one of the most advanced technically, that doesn't always translate to the best results.

If Trinnov were made available as a similarly priced stand-alone processor as Audyssey, I'd seriously consider adding it to my system I believe the only stand-alone box now is for the pro studio recording market & costs $14-15K.

ss9001

Originally Posted by Mark S.

I do plan on choosing everything BEFORE my receiver, so it is still possible the SC27 will work for me, but we will see. Its those ICE amps that really appeal to me - everything else can be found in other brands.

I certainly hope the R-972 isn't cancelled... The only buzz I'm aware of is that Sherwood is apparently already talking about a R-973, which probably won't be here for 5 more years so there is little point in announcing it haha. The last few pages of this thread seem to be the latest discussion on it: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...php?p=17023681

If you're right though, I will be even more dissapointed . I'm also waiting to see what comes of the Emotiva UMC-1 which is supposed to be done any time now.

Originally Posted by graphicguy

Mark.....ccotenj laid it out well. I'll just add, before making a decision about the "need" to upconvert 720p or 1080i to 1080p, take a look at those native resolutions in their original formats. Then, if you can, look at them upconverted and see if you note a significant difference.

All of my sources (BD player, DVD player, SA 8300HD cable box, display) are capable of doing upconverting from 480i/p to 1080i/p (cable box sends out the signal in its native format).

My son has a Wii connected to, via analog. Even upconverting its 480i to 1080p doesn't yield a significantly better picture. There's only so much you can do with a SD image.

Even 720p (mostly seen on cable HD channels like ESPN) doesn't yield a significant image improvement at 1080.

If you've got a good projector or a display (I've got a KURO), you're going to be doing video processing twice if you go to an AVR that uses a chip to upconvert everything to 1080p. That's a detriment.

So, I agree with Pioneer's stance. Do no processing of HDMI/HD signal sources. The gains from analog SD sources to 1080p yields very minimal improvements (if any, at all).

Not trying to dissuade you one way or another. A lot of us have experimented with this very issue and have fallen on the side of how Pioneer does it.

Originally Posted by Mark S.

Thanks for your reply.

I highly doubt i could notice the differences in most resolutions on a small screen, but on a large projection screen, I can tell the difference between 720p HDTV and the same thing scaled to 1080p by the Reon chip in the Onkyo 906. The biggest difference though comes from DVD's, where they look absolutely phenominal scaled to 1080p, which makes it so that I don't have to re-buy all of my DVDs in blu-ray . Because I have a large DVD collection and watch a lot of HDTV, this is important to me.

If, however, I end up with something like the Mitsubishi HC6500U, it has the Reon HQV scaling chip inside and I could use the Pioneer receiver with seemingly no drawbacks as the projector would scale anything coming over HDMI less than 1080p. It would also likely do a better job even than the Faroudja analog scaler in the Pioneer receiver assuming I could set those inputs to "through".

My DVD/Blu-ray player will be a PS3, so it will be sending everything over HDMI. Basically it comes down to me picking a projector that meets my scaling requirements, and if it does, the processing in the receiver doesn't really matter. That said, I would still rather have that option than not have it if Pioneer is going to charge the same or more money for their units as others do who include Reon processing.

Anyways, clearly I have a lot of thinking to do.

Thanks again for the thoughts, even though it just makes my decisions harder

Originally Posted by Mark S.

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I would think the video processing in a $2000+ projector would be better than in a $150 BDP but who knows (and if I can't tell a difference I don't care ). I wouldn't feel bad about buying a dedicated blu-ray player for ~$150 but an external video processor would be a different story as I'm already pushing my receiver budget pretty hard.
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Originally Posted by ccotenj

i'm "guessing" that the differences between the 25 and the 27 are similar to the differences between the 05 and 07, which you can find on the first post of the 05/07 thread (click on the link in my sig)...

speaking of 05/07... i wonder if you could still score one of those up in the great white north at anywhere near the discounts that we've seen in the states... if so, that might give you a bit more room in the budget for either a processor and/or a better projector... just another option to consider, as imo, an 05/07 plus an edge would whup anything in the under 2k price range...

Originally Posted by william06

I just played some of serenity, and Shreck lll, DD+ on xa2 through HDMI on the SC27 and I cannot believe it there were the dropouts. Never once on my Denon 4308 did that happen.

A couple of years or close I had a 94 and because of that I returned it after a week it was a deal breaker thenl. I really like this unit a lot and DD+ seems to be in the minority with the software companies anymore. Everything else is working great. Neural music, Internet music, BD, BDaudio,
DTS HD Master, I-pod fantastic. The set up for audio went smoothly thanks to the helpful hints I got here.
Two issues
1. I do not like that you do not have on screen status . This is important because I have a Front projection system for movies and my unit goes behind a drop down screen.

2. The idea that Pioneer has alowed the DD+ issue to go on so long with out a fix.

Other than that this is a pretty nice unit.

Still deciding weather to go for the 23 or the oppo 83
Love the 09 just a bit two expensive.