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post #151 of 3313
Thread Starter 
An earlier perusal of specs suggested not much difference between the ES changer and the one to be released. A closer look reveals some differences. Only a side-by-side will indicate whether the differences matter.

What ES Has That Non-ES Doesn't

1. Deep Color
2. HD Reality Enhancer
3. Super-Bit Mapping
4. 3 IR Code Sets Built In
5. Individual Speaker Setting -Speaker/No Speaker
6. 7.1 Channel Analog Outputs
7. Composite Video Outputs
8. S-Video Outputs
9. RS-232 Control

There may be more, but this is what I could glean from a closer look. The ES version is also nearly two pounds heavier, perhaps owing to some sturdier parts.

I'm still betting that the two will be substantially the same, but if any of these features truly translate into a difference, then perhaps the ES will provide performance enhancement.

Nick
post #152 of 3313
I have a quick couple of questions on this unit.

1. What if I dont have an internet connection near by? My router is in my family room, I need this unit in the basement...

2. If I fill the unit with 400 discs do I have to scroll through them all 1 by 1 to get to the title I want?

3. Are they stored in alphabetical order in the player or do they just show up by slot number?

Thanks to anyone who takes the time to help, I really appreciate it. I would have read through the entire thread as it may answer some of these for me but I dont have the time at work.

Once again Thanks...
post #153 of 3313
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by CollinViegas View Post

I have a quick couple of questions on this unit.

1. What if I dont have an internet connection near by? My router is in my family room, I need this unit in the basement...

2. If I fill the unit with 400 discs do I have to scroll through them all 1 by 1 to get to the title I want?

3. Are they stored in alphabetical order in the player or do they just show up by slot number?

Thanks to anyone who takes the time to help, I really appreciate it. I would have read through the entire thread as it may answer some of these for me but I dont have the time at work.

Once again Thanks...

1. You need an internet connection if you want to use the Gracenote Database lookup feature. Only you can figure out how you do that.

2. You need to scroll through them one by one (which you can only do if they are titled by use of the internet), although scrolling is extremely fast.

3. Assuming that you get the internet connection, they will show up alphabetically. Otherwise, yes, they'll show up by slot number, but it will be an unknown disc that's in this slot, an unknown disc in that slot, and so on. Of no use whatsoever without the internet connection.

Thanks,

Nick
post #154 of 3313
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Originally Posted by CollinViegas View Post


3. Are they stored in alphabetical order in the player or do they just show up by slot number?

there are many different ways to sort: by genre, by director, release date, slot number, etc...

and you can edit and change categories, and add new ones: sorting is quick
post #155 of 3313
Quote:
Originally Posted by CollinViegas View Post

I have a quick couple of questions on this unit.

1. What if I dont have an internet connection near by? My router is in my family room, I need this unit in the basement...

2. If I fill the unit with 400 discs do I have to scroll through them all 1 by 1 to get to the title I want?

3. Are they stored in alphabetical order in the player or do they just show up by slot number?

Thanks to anyone who takes the time to help, I really appreciate it. I would have read through the entire thread as it may answer some of these for me but I dont have the time at work.

Once again Thanks...

Unless you have some major structural issues that would prevent you from getting Wi-Fi in your basement location, you could always setup Wi-Fi (if you dont already have one) and place an ethernet bridge on your unit.

I have one in my basement and have had no issues with connecting my equipment.
post #156 of 3313
I assume the device has an IP address since it will be connecting to the internet or your network. Is there a browser based interface for this device? If so, what does it look like? Functionality?
post #157 of 3313
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Originally Posted by stepmback View Post

I assume the device has an IP address since it will be connecting to the internet or your network. Is there a browser based interface for this device? If so, what does it look like? Functionality?

it has an IP address [you can set it for DHCP or static] but there is no browser interface [at this time?]
post #158 of 3313
I jumped in... Should have the 7000 Friday.
post #159 of 3313
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Originally Posted by stepmback View Post

Unless you have some major structural issues that would prevent you from getting Wi-Fi in your basement location, you could always setup Wi-Fi (if you dont already have one) and place an ethernet bridge on your unit.

I have one in my basement and have had no issues with connecting my equipment.

I got turned on to Home-plug recently and it has worked quite well for me. Works well for locations that do not have an internet hardline or have poor Wi-Fi reception. If you shop around it can be fairly cost effective also.

Regards,
John
post #160 of 3313
Has anyone who has purchased the Megachanger considered posting a review at Sony's website? I figure more good reviews regarding the changer couldn't hurt sales which may equate to better support. Link below:

http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...925651#reviews
post #161 of 3313
Speaking of posting comments, at least the reviewer on Electronic House responded to my question about multiple units:

http://www.electronichouse.com/artic...nger/#comments

Brett, that's a good question. I didn't try it myself (because sony only sent one unit). Based on past experience with other Sony ES changers I asked the company about this and was told that they are designed to be daisy chained. If I get a better explanation on the steps to do this I'll post it here.

You'd think that before he published the article he would have checked how this works before stating it does work, but I guess that's all you can expect for modern day web journalism.
post #162 of 3313
Hi all , See the prompt response below from Escient Tech Support as to whether their Fireball series could be connected up to the BDP-CX7000ES and the mix/matching of changers.

Alex,

We currently plan to add support to our Vision series for the Sony
BDP-CX7000ES through a software update but there are no immediate plans
to support it under the Fireball series. Thought it is still being
considered. As of right now, the only Fireball-compatible changer is the
Sony DVP-CX777ES.

Also, just so you're aware, when using multiple changers with Fireball
they must all be the same type. For example, all Sony CD-only changer,
all Sony DVD changers, or in the event that we decide to support the
BDP-CX7000ES under Fireball - all Sony Blu-ray changers. Unfortunately
you are not able to mix-and-match changers.

In we do decide to add support for the BDP-CX7000ES under Fireball, you
will see an announcement on our website. If we do announce anything for
Fireball, I wouldn't expect to hear anything for at least a few more
months.

Regards,

Cory Poore
Escient Technical Support
cory.poore@escient.com
(800) 372-4368 Ext. 3

Additional questions?
FAQs www.escient.com/support/faqs.html
Product Manuals www.escient.com/support/manualsdocs.html
Software Updates www.escient.com/support/updates.html


-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Ortega
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 9:57 AM
To: Esc Tech Support
Subject: DVDM552 & Sony BDP-CX7000ES

Hi there

I have a DVDM552 connected up to 2 Sony 777ES DVD changers. Can the
Sony Bluray BDP-CX7000ES be also connected to the DVDM552 and used thru
the component inputs?

Thanks,
Alex
post #163 of 3313
One of the things that would diect me towards the more expensive 7000ES model is the inboard DACs with 7.1 outs. My Anthem D1 does not support HDMI I use an outboard video processor for the video side of HDMI.
post #164 of 3313
I suggested this earlier but didn't get much of a response, thought I'd try again. Keep in mind that I'm no CPU-nut so take my suggestion with a bit of that hindsight.

I own a PS3 which, as I understand it, is a pretty damn powerful little device.
It has internet connectivity of course. Currently, I'm tapped in via ethernet.

These changers also possess internet connectivity.

Obviously, these devices can all sit "inside" of my network.

Now, is it at all possible that a SONY Ps3 could "recognize" multiple SONY changers on my network (just like it discovers my laptops and their media) and perform some type of integration of their respective libraries?

Seriously, we can put a man on the moon, but this is not feasible somehow?

I understand my laptops are computers and "set-up" to be discovered, but is there any way to get these changers to output this information via their i-net connection?


Man that would be swell! A $300 multiple changer solution instead of a $3,000 dollar fix (Escient).

This of course is not to say anything about the potential of using HDMI to integrate multiple changers (I have no idea if this would be possible, just throwing it out there).

James
post #165 of 3313
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick Satullo View Post

However, look for prices of existing units to plummet to levels worth getting in the game for, at least insofar as this thread's users are concerned. The bottom line is that it probably works out to being good news if your only purpose in getting one was to control the BD changer.

Nick

I just ordered the VS-200 and got 20% off the list price. If anyone wants to know where I ordered it PM me.
post #166 of 3313
Quote:
Originally Posted by mastermaybe View Post

I suggested this earlier but didn't get much of a response, thought I'd try again. Keep in mind that I'm no CPU-nut so take my suggestion with a bit of that hindsight.

I own a PS3 which, as I understand it, is a pretty damn powerful little device.
It has internet connectivity of course. Currently, I'm tapped in via ethernet.

These changers also possess internet connectivity.

Obviously, these devices can all sit "inside" of my network.

Now, is it at all possible that a SONY Ps3 could "recognize" multiple SONY changers on my network (just like it discovers my laptops and their media) and perform some type of integration of their respective libraries?

Seriously, we can put a man on the moon, but this is not feasible somehow?

I understand my laptops are computers and "set-up" to be discovered, but is there any way to get these changers to output this information via their i-net connection?


Man that would be swell! A $300 multiple changer solution instead of a $3,000 dollar fix (Escient).

This of course is not to say anything about the potential of using HDMI to integrate multiple changers (I have no idea if this would be possible, just throwing it out there).

James

Interesting idea, wonder if anyone who has both (PS3 and the megachanger) could see if the Megachanger shows up in the PS3 interface.
post #167 of 3313
Quote:
Originally Posted by mastermaybe View Post

I suggested this earlier but didn't get much of a response, thought I'd try again. Keep in mind that I'm no CPU-nut so take my suggestion with a bit of that hindsight.

I own a PS3 which, as I understand it, is a pretty damn powerful little device.
It has internet connectivity of course. Currently, I'm tapped in via ethernet.

These changers also possess internet connectivity.

Obviously, these devices can all sit "inside" of my network.

Now, is it at all possible that a SONY Ps3 could "recognize" multiple SONY changers on my network (just like it discovers my laptops and their media) and perform some type of integration of their respective libraries?

Seriously, we can put a man on the moon, but this is not feasible somehow?

I understand my laptops are computers and "set-up" to be discovered, but is there any way to get these changers to output this information via their i-net connection?


Man that would be swell! A $300 multiple changer solution instead of a $3,000 dollar fix (Escient).

This of course is not to say anything about the potential of using HDMI to integrate multiple changers (I have no idea if this would be possible, just throwing it out there).

James

The Escient "fix" is to provide a substantially better interface to what the 7000es offer - since a PS3 offers the same XMB interface, I'm not sure we would get closer to that goal.

The Vision would also allow a nice single source integration of 7000 content along with whatever existing SD material you ripped, plus music, photos, etc.
post #168 of 3313
Quote:
Originally Posted by thrang View Post

The Escient "fix" is to provide a substantially better interface to what the 7000es offer - since a PS3 offers the same XMB interface, I'm not sure we would get closer to that goal.

The Vision would also allow a nice single source integration of 7000 content along with whatever existing SD material you ripped, plus music, photos, etc.

True, but I would like a way to integrate mutiple Megachangers, without going to the expense of the Vision.
post #169 of 3313
Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Tywoniak View Post

I see no way of doing this without the escient - so yes this quote is misleading or at the very least - not helpful. However this publication is not known for its depth of reporting/analysis.

The MainLobby front-end will also allow the daisy chaining of multiple units.
post #170 of 3313
I hope that someone will post some detailed experieces soon with either of these changers, hopefully with some pictures of the GUI. I really do not relish having to buy another Escient (already have 2) to usefully control it. Especialy one that is aleady discontinued as both of mine have had to be replaced.
post #171 of 3313
Quote:
Originally Posted by thrang View Post

The Escient "fix" is to provide a substantially better interface to what the 7000es offer - since a PS3 offers the same XMB interface, I'm not sure we would get closer to that goal.

The Vision would also allow a nice single source integration of 7000 content along with whatever existing SD material you ripped, plus music, photos, etc.

C'mon thrang, read up ! I'm talking about the ability to integrate multiple changers without having to spend thousands on Escient!

happy friday-

James
post #172 of 3313
Quote:
Originally Posted by T.Wells View Post

The MainLobby front-end will also allow the daisy chaining of multiple units.

T. Wells - keep in mind MainLobby doesn't actually daisy chain the changers together. Each changer (in the case of the CX777ES) is connected via serial either to a serial port hub or something like a networkable Global Cache. The video is then routed through a HD matrix switcher.

Cinemar does have enroute the BDP7000ES at which point we will begin testing to see what is capable from our user interface. It sounds like the protocol will be very similar to the older CX777ES model...so our existing CX777ES plugin would probably work to launch and discover movies today.

This means you could probably use an iPhone or iPod Touch today to launch and control movies which is pretty slick.

We just can't confirm yet without further testing.
post #173 of 3313
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikefl52 View Post

I hope that someone will post some detailed experieces soon with either of these changers, hopefully with some pictures of the GUI. I really do not relish having to buy another Escient (already have 2) to usefully control it. Especialy one that is aleady discontinued as both of mine have had to be replaced.

There are pictures of the GUI earlier in this thread. Also look for my posts, I have several, describing various features. Lastly you can read my review on SonyStyle. If you have specific questions, let me know and I will try to answer them. BTW I have the Escient VS-100, waiting for the software update. If it works like the 777ES, it will be much better than the native Sony GUI.
post #174 of 3313
I have the 7000ES installed and contected to a Denon 5308ci that distributes the a/v to the living room and ht. I loaded 15-combo HD-DVD (DVD side)/280- DVD/ 95- Blu-Ray last night and let it download the gracenote data for all while I went to sleep. This morning it recognized all but 12 and there are a few that do not have cover art.

I also have a PS3 on the same network and unfortunately it does not recognize the changer, but it does recognize the HR23 HD-DVR that I hooked up yesterday as well.

In all I am very satisfied with it, load time is a little slow but that is understandable since the turntable has to rotate to the specific disc slot.

I would definitely be interested in a third party GUI.



50" in living room
post #175 of 3313
Thanks for the info on the PS3/Megachanger. Would have been nice if the PS3 would have recognized it as a networked resource.

PQ and AQ up to other Blu-ray players you have experience with? Congrats on the new toy!
post #176 of 3313
Thread Starter 
In the earlier "anticipation" thread, there was one individual whose mission in life seemed to be pouring water on any fires surrounding a BD changer. Didn't make sense, out of step, won't happen, blah, blah, blah.

In just the space of a few weeks, however, we're seeing that the changer with a good GUI is a priority of the marketplace, and that the goal of hard-drive storage of BD content remains subject to a most heavy-handed opposition, in the corporate and legal position advanced by Hollywood. If anything, I expect the presence of changers and some form of an extra-changer GUI to be a focal point of the custom install industry, and a commensurate presence in pretty much the same way DVD found one in the DVD changers we've all used for years.

My guess is that they're not only here to stay, but, with the impetus of BD as a new product just dawning on the market, BD changers and internet based GUI devices are going to achieve a presence somewhat beyond the niche presence even I would have predicted. It's hard to call the BDP-CX7000ES anything but a "high-end" player from a performance standpoint, and this is going to eliminate some of the thinking that resulted in performance based "objections" to the presence of changers in a system.

If I'm even only partially correct, look for prices to plummet in a most favorable manner. I was most interested to read the quote from Escient that, now that Vision has been discontinued, they're not only going to still upgrade it to BD-controller capability, but they're also going to revisit the issue of doing the same with the older Fireball series.

Thanks,

Nick
post #177 of 3313
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick Satullo View Post

In the earlier "anticipation" thread, there was one individual whose mission in life seemd to be pouring water on any fires surrounding a BD changer. Didn't make sense, out step, won't happen, blah, blah, blah.

In just the space of a few weeks, however, we're seeing that the changer with a good GUI is a priority of the marketplace, and that the goal of hard-drive storage of BD content remains subject to a most heavy-handed opposition, in the corporate and legal position advanced by Hollywood. If anything, I expect the presence of changers and some form of an extra-changer GUI to be a focal point of the custom install industry, and a commensurate presence in pretty much the same way DVD found one in the DVD changers we've all used for years.

My guess is that they're not only here to stay, but, with the impetus of BD as a new product just dawning on the market, BD changers and internet based GUI devices are going to achieve a presence somewhat beyond the niche presence even I would have predicted. It's hard to call the BDP-CX7000ES anything but a "high-end" player from a performance standpoint, and this is going to eliminate some of the thinking that resulted in performance based "objections" to the presence of changers in a system.

If I'm even only partially correct, look for prices to plummet in a most favorable manner. I was most interested to read the quote from Escient that, now that Vision has been discontinued, they're not only going to still upgrade it to BD-controller capability, but they're also going to revisit the issue of doing the same with the older Fireball series.

Thanks,

Nick

I think you are right on, at least in regards to the Blu-Ray changers being an important part of high-end theaters. Almost all the high-end theaters I see highlighted in all the HT Magazines seem to have Kaleidescape systems, but I really doubt that anyone will argue the K* system playing DVD's (albeit upscaled) really produce a better picture that the Sony Blu-Ray changers.

So for those that wants the convenience of having all there movies available through a few clicks of their remote AND to be ability to watch in the best format, it seems that the Sony Blu-Ray changer is the best option and may be the only legal option for sometime if Hollywood has their way.
post #178 of 3313
Quote:


was told that they are designed to be daisy chained.

If you look at the protocol's limited documentation, when addressing the unit over the serial port the PDC (Product code) supports BD1, BD2 and BD3 (80/81/82), so you should be able to send commands to up to 3 changers daisy chained... Now how would you actually daisy chain them, that I have no idea... Either that or they are planning a version with 3 internal players...
post #179 of 3313
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Originally Posted by Fonceur View Post

If you look at the protocol's limited documentation, when addressing the unit over the serial port the PDC (Product code) supports BD1, BD2 and BD3 (80/81/82), so you should be able to send commands to up to 3 changers daisy chained... Now how would you actually daisy chain them, that I have no idea... Either that or they are planning a version with 3 internal players...

Sounds encouraging....I got this response from Sony:

Thank you for contacting Sony Support. I understand that you wish to connect the multiple Sony Blu-ray/DVD Players together. Unfortunately, you cannot connect the multiple units as daisy chained. Thank you for understanding. The Sony Email Response TeamCHS4Frank


I was specifically asking about the MegaChanger.
post #180 of 3313
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by uw69 View Post

Sounds encouraging....I got this response from Sony:

Thank you for contacting Sony Support. I understand that you wish to connect the multiple Sony Blu-ray/DVD Players together. Unfortunately, you cannot connect the multiple units as daisy chained. Thank you for understanding. The Sony Email Response TeamCHS4Frank


I was specifically asking about the MegaChanger.

You have to give it to Sony for award-winning beside manner.

They should have simply said: "I understand that you wish to connect the multiple Sony Blu-ray/DVD Players together. Too bad. Life's a bitch, then you die. Many go to hell."

Nick
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