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post #241 of 3241
9/12/09 at 2:05pm
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Originally Posted by xtremxterra View Post

Noah it is very easy to use and can do exactly what you stated. version 3 will be out mid november on release of windows 7 you should try it then since its free!

Would it be able to aggregate the movies from the mega changer to movies stored on a hard drive into 1 library, assuming the movies on the hard drive also have rs232 capability?
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post #242 of 3241
9/12/09 at 2:58pm
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Originally Posted by Noah Winter View Post

Would it be able to aggregate the movies from the mega changer to movies stored on a hard drive into 1 library, assuming the movies on the hard drive also have rs232 capability?

Yes you can have movies stored on hard drive which those would not be rs232. Your PC would just have to connect to tv through hdmi etc. read through the forumn you will learn alot =)
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post #243 of 3241
9/14/09 at 7:45am
Video of it in action from CEDIA:
http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/09/13...ote-in-action/
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post #244 of 3241
9/14/09 at 11:38am
I can't seem to find a big difference between the BDP-CX7000ES ($1899) and the soon to be avaiable BDP-CX960 besides the ES version having a $1000 price difference and rs232 port?

http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...8&N=4294966114

Can anyone comment? Is it worth the $1000 increase in price to get the ES version. I definetly will be geting one of them but trying to decide and justify the purchase.

thanks
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post #245 of 3241
9/14/09 at 12:15pm
Nic Satullo already posted this:

An earlier perusal of specs suggested not much difference between the ES changer and the one to be released. A closer look reveals some differences. Only a side-by-side will indicate whether the differences matter.

What ES Has That Non-ES Doesn't

1. Deep Color
2. HD Reality Enhancer
3. Super-Bit Mapping
4. 3 IR Code Sets Built In
5. Individual Speaker Setting -Speaker/No Speaker
6. 7.1 Channel Analog Outputs
7. Composite Video Outputs
8. S-Video Outputs
9. RS-232 Control

There may be more, but this is what I could glean from a closer look. The ES version is also nearly two pounds heavier, perhaps owing to some sturdier parts.

I'm still betting that the two will be substantially the same, but if any of these features truly translate into a difference, then perhaps the ES will provide performance enhancement.

Nic

To me the big thing is the potential of the ES integrating to Escient especially since the Sony native interface is lacking.

There also may be a warranty issue - although not sure.
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post #246 of 3241
9/15/09 at 4:52am
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Originally Posted by lwright84 View Post

Video of it in action from CEDIA:
http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/09/13...ote-in-action/

"Can you change the size of the cover art?"-Priceless.

Don't you think Sony's decision to use such tiny cover art and its exisitng gui was inorder to have the third parties the Sony rep mentioned support the mega changer instead of compete with it? I think it was a marketing decision.
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post #247 of 3241
9/15/09 at 7:05am
the odd thing is you could be all but asssured that even if Sony CHARGED for a better GUI most would pay for it without hesitation. It certainly would cost far less than integrating an alternate solution.

I for one would definitely shell out 50 or 60 bucks for one that merely offered larger images and more sophisticated sorting.

I'm still not giving up on a ps3 controlling this thing/multiple changers, BTW.

James
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post #248 of 3241
9/15/09 at 7:12am
I wonder if a "write in" campaign asking Sony to upgrade the GUI would be of benefit. I sent off an e-mail to Sony support this morning. I have no expectations!
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post #249 of 3241
9/15/09 at 8:40am
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Originally Posted by guju69 View Post

I can't seem to find a big difference between the BDP-CX7000ES ($1899) and the soon to be avaiable BDP-CX960 besides the ES version having a $1000 price difference and rs232 port?

http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...8&N=4294966114

Can anyone comment? Is it worth the $1000 increase in price to get the ES version. I definetly will be geting one of them but trying to decide and justify the purchase.

thanks

Is it worth the price depends on your requirements. For me the answer is yes as it includes digital audio processing (speaker setting) and a D/A stage. If done well (as it is on my current Denon BDCP3800) this is important for me since I have a legacy pre/pro that has no HDMI inputs and which I am not going to update soon.

I use HDMI through my DVDO VP50 for the video side of things which I also use to upscale from my current sony DVD changer / Escient SE-D1 combo and so the upscaling capability is not so important.

So as you can see I have personal requirements that would impact my decisions (ES or non-ES).
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post #250 of 3241
9/15/09 at 3:06pm
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Originally Posted by Noah Winter View Post

Don't you think Sony's decision to use such tiny cover art and its exisitng gui was inorder to have the third parties the Sony rep mentioned support the mega changer instead of compete with it? I think it was a marketing decision.

My dealer informed me that his Sony source advised him that four manufacturers would announce 7000 control systems within 30 days. That certainly supports your position.
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post #251 of 3241
9/15/09 at 4:33pm
Anyone using a harmony one to control the BDP-CX7000ES? I can't find it in the harmony database. Thanks
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post #252 of 3241
9/15/09 at 6:28pm
It is a pretty good marketing idea, get respected high end third parties to do marketing for you by not competing with over the gui. Create a nitche that they can fill and they will promote how great the product is and tie Sony into their marketing. Sony won't upgrade their gui, but it sounds like people will have lots of options.
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post #253 of 3241
9/15/09 at 7:15pm
Hello All

Has anyone set up a configuration with Control 4? I would like to set up a multizone HD Blue ray setup but with minimal equipment and ease of install. Here is my current setup:

1. Sony 52" LCD XBR5
2. PS3
3. Denon 4308ci A/V receiver
4. Definitive Technology Reference Inwall 7.1 set up
5. Definitive Technology reference Supercube subwoofer (1800! watts)
6. Harmony remote 890 pro (have optional rf extender)
7. Comcast HD DVR
8. Monster HD power conditioner
9. D-link gamer router
10. Manhattan HDMI Video splitter/distribution amp 1 input to 8 sources (not connected, picked it up from circuit city when it went out of business, thought it was a good buy for $50 and might have use for it later)

I plan on purchasing the ES sony 400 Bluray changer and some sort of controller to manage the hd distribution to four zones. I have also seen a Hdmi matrix to cat5/6 distribution amp that may serve me better to distribute the signal to the rest of the house via cat5/6 baluns like this product:

http://www.intelix.com/products/digihdmi4x4.htm

Any suggestions? Does control 4 work better? I haven't seen any hdmi matrix from control 4.

Any alternatives to look at?

thanks
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post #254 of 3241
9/15/09 at 7:28pm
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Of the last ten discs I've entered, Gracenote has found NONE of them. My roster of unknown discs is becoming a problem. I get no indication that there's an internet connection problem, but I'm scoping that out. Ethernet is still connected and appears active.

Nick
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post #255 of 3241
9/15/09 at 7:59pm
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Originally Posted by guju69 View Post

Hello All

Has anyone set up a configuration with Control 4? I would like to set up a multizone HD Blue ray setup but with minimal equipment and ease of install. Here is my current setup:

1. Sony 52" LCD XBR5
2. PS3
3. Denon 4308ci A/V receiver
4. Definitive Technology Reference Inwall 7.1 set up
5. Definitive Technology reference Supercube subwoofer (1800! watts)
6. Harmony remote 890 pro (have optional rf extender)
7. Comcast HD DVR
8. Monster HD power conditioner
9. D-link gamer router
10. Manhattan HDMI Video splitter/distribution amp 1 input to 8 sources (not connected, picked it up from circuit city when it went out of business, thought it was a good buy for $50 and might have use for it later)

I plan on purchasing the ES sony 400 Bluray changer and some sort of controller to manage the hd distribution to four zones. I have also seen a Hdmi matrix to cat5/6 distribution amp that may serve me better to distribute the signal to the rest of the house via cat5/6 baluns like this product:

http://www.intelix.com/products/digihdmi4x4.htm

Any suggestions? Does control 4 work better? I haven't seen any hdmi matrix from control 4.

Any alternatives to look at?

thanks

I would also be interested in something like this also!
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post #256 of 3241
9/17/09 at 6:37am
this Gracenote crap is disturbing me a bit, I have to admit. Movies are hardly like CD's in the respect that there are FAR fewer movie titles than LP's, and I've had exceptionally good success with Gracenote through itunes with music, so what gives with the movies?

Seems it's missing some rather popular titles.

With just 20 or so titles released a week (at most), what the hell is going on here?


James
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post #257 of 3241
9/17/09 at 6:40am
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Originally Posted by Nick Satullo View Post

Of the last ten discs I've entered, Gracenote has found NONE of them. My roster of unknown discs is becoming a problem. I get no indication that there's an internet connection problem, but I'm scoping that out. Ethernet is still connected and appears active.

Nick

Are these SD of BD discs? Region 1?
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post #258 of 3241
9/17/09 at 6:49am
I have had problems with Escient recognizing some DVD's in Gracenote - not quite as good as CD's. However - never would I have hit 10 in a row in terms of misses. Sounds like either a connection problem or something to do with BluRay. Or maybe you are watching all Indie movies produced in Slovenia :-)
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post #259 of 3241
9/17/09 at 7:14am
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Originally Posted by netroamer View Post

Are these SD of BD discs? Region 1?

All Blu-ray Region 1. All three Blade BD, the series Fringe.

THere could be an internet problem with my hookup that didn't exist before, but I doubt it, as I've checked the connections, and there is no message indicating that the search could not get out to the internet.

Thanks,

Nick
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post #260 of 3241
9/17/09 at 7:18am
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Originally Posted by Nick Satullo View Post

All Blu-ray Region 1. All three Blade BD, the series Fringe.

THere could be an internet problem with my hookup that didn't exist before, but I doubt it, as I've checked the connections, and there is no message indicating that the search could not get out to the internet.

Thanks,

Nick

I had a discussion, recently, with my dealer about Gracenotes. He said his Sony source assured him that the database would find ANY Blu-ray loaded. Sounds like either your connection or his statement is a problem. If Escient also uses Gracenotes, I may have to reconsider the controller.
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post #261 of 3241
9/17/09 at 7:20am
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Originally Posted by Nick Satullo View Post

All Blu-ray Region 1. All three Blade BD, the series Fringe.

THere could be an internet problem with my hookup that didn't exist before, but I doubt it, as I've checked the connections, and there is no message indicating that the search could not get out to the internet.

Thanks,

Nick

Try running a firmware update on the changer itself. If it gets out successfully, it will say "already updated.". If it cannot get out to the internet you will see an error message. I believe there is also a network test option as well.
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post #262 of 3241
9/17/09 at 7:24am
Call me crazy, but I would anticipate that studios would simply auto-submit this data electronically to G-Note upon release, and virtually eliminate the problems inherent to the human collection of information (errant info, missed titles, delays, etc).

I'm probably a bit more critical than most, but I find missing 1/20 of reasonably popular titles to be unacceptable. Is that estimation a bit high/low? Seems for every 100 discs people shoot in, at least 5 or so come up empty.

James
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post #263 of 3241
9/17/09 at 7:30am
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Originally Posted by mastermaybe View Post

Call me crazy, but I would anticipate that studios would simply auto-submit this data somehow to G-Note upon release electronically, and virtually eliminate the problems inherent to the human collection of information (errant info, missed titles, delays, ets).

I'm probably a bit more critical than most, but I find missing 1/20 titles unacceptable. Is that estimation a bit high/low?

James

Gracenotes has been around a long time: as far as I know they are still buying the discs and manually entering the data [and many of us bought scanners to add our own cover art where necessary]

Interesting there are lots of other sites that provide the same service: some servers like Request Audio & iTunes give you the option of using these other services

I think overall Gracenotes is pretty good but not perfect
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post #264 of 3241
9/17/09 at 7:43am
With my Escient, Gracenote has found everything (well, twice it didn't, but when I re-ran the lookup, the titles were both discovered). Of course, these are all DVD titles.

I've had some oddities with the Blu Ray lookups - it originally populated French versions of the Harry Potter box set, didn't have the latest T2 Skynet Edition, and was missing a few others - when I checked weeks later, it gave me several options for the HP series, including the proper US version, and found other formerly missing titles.

The T2 title was fairly new, so I could understand it might not have been in the database at first, but the HP box set is at least a year old, so there's no rhyme or reason as to its accuracy, at least for BR discs.
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post #265 of 3241
9/17/09 at 7:56am
I have found the Escient Fireball extremely good at finding dvd titles using Gracenote, even 15 year old obscure anime. It misses a few but with the Escient PC link or using a keyborad from the Vision, once you enter the titles name it usual finds all but the truly obscure titles, and cutting and pasting these in from Amazon is not a problem using the Escient PC link. If the changer is having an issue with Gracenote the problem is not the Gracenote database I don' think.
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post #266 of 3241
9/17/09 at 9:55am
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by netroamer View Post

I had a discussion, recently, with my dealer about Gracenotes. He said his Sony source assured him that the database would find ANY Blu-ray loaded. Sounds like either your connection or his statement is a problem. If Escient also uses Gracenotes, I may have to reconsider the controller.

I think both are true. It's a bit too coincidental that I've just run into this berry patch of unfindable discs, all of which are fairly mainstream. I own the Blade series in DVD, and they are all found via Escient's interface.

However, even when the BD changer was looking things up like a charm, there were titles that had problems. Vast minority of titles, but some problems nonetheless.

Thanks,

Nick
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post #267 of 3241
9/17/09 at 10:33am
Anyone else have the Blade series with a megachager? Might be worth a try to see if the problem Nick is seeing can be duplicated.
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post #268 of 3241
9/17/09 at 11:14am
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Originally Posted by Nick Satullo View Post

All Blu-ray Region 1. All three Blade BD, the series Fringe.

THere could be an internet problem with my hookup that didn't exist before, but I doubt it, as I've checked the connections, and there is no message indicating that the search could not get out to the internet.

Thanks,

Nick

Same problem for me with the Fringe series, not found by Gracenotes. I know for a fact that I do not have any network issues.

Jim
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post #269 of 3241
9/17/09 at 1:06pm
If my memory serves me correctly movies is quite new on Gracenote and I don't think escient used gracenote originally for movie look up, just for music and the covers came form AMG I believe.

I use Plex on my mac for movie look up and it generally uses the iMDb for movies and thetvdb for tv shows. Both of these work pretty well except for music concerts where no matter whether I use my Escient SE-D1 or Plex cannot in general find the titles.
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post #270 of 3241
9/17/09 at 1:11pm
I just loaded all the new Beatles remastered CD's: it recognized all of them but no cover art
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