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post #2701 of 3313
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Originally Posted by Bristolion View Post

Had to get rid of them by 12.31.11 he said. Sold 7 in early Dec. Had them for $199, but dropped them to $100 each (7000ES), and they they flew out the door.

The issue, I was advises, was that Sony was under a court order to stop marketing and selling the units, and had to sell or disposes of all inventory by 1/1/12. I didn't get all the details, but it was described to me as because of the 'analog outputs'. Shame on component connections!! Further discussions with others (high end AV store) connected the dots and realized that with the component outputs, it was possible to defeat the copy protection.

That's correct. It is called the analog sunset law. Any blu-ray player released after 12/31/10 can output nothing better than 480i or 576i on component video. Existing models could continue to be manufactured and sold until 12/31/11. Now they can't even sell them.

There's one more step to the sunset law. Are you ready for this? "No Licensed Player that passes Decrypted AACS Content to analog video outputs may be manufactured or sold by Adopter after December 31, 2013." In other words, Blu-ray playback over composite, S-video or component outputs will be disabled.

All in the name of copy protection.
post #2702 of 3313
I have a perfectly good 34" Sony HD CRT with only component inputs.
post #2703 of 3313
You can still watch HD material thru component inputs with blu ray players manufactured prior to 1/1/12. It's only newer blu ray players that don't activate component to play HD signals. Of course, you can also watch satellite and cable box material in HD. So all is not lost for those without HDMI.
post #2704 of 3313
A couple of weeks ago I sent Gracenotes an e-mail about a dozen DVDs that are not in the database and received an e-mail in reply stating that they include coverage for as many products as they are able to, they follow chart rankings and a variety of other criteria to ensure they are getting top-rated products into the system but unfortunately, they are unable to include every product that is released or requested.
So what is the point of asking for title information of missing DVDs if they are not going to include them in the database?
post #2705 of 3313
Did they confirm that these titles were not already in their system? I believe much of the problem with acquiring the info from Grace Note is in the Changer and not so much Gracenote.
post #2706 of 3313
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Originally Posted by Noah Winter View Post

Did they confirm that these titles were not already in their system? I believe much of the problem with acquiring the info from Grace Note is in the Changer and not so much Gracenote.

No, they did not confirm anything. They just said they can't include everything and to update the player regularly.
post #2707 of 3313
I have looked everywhere online for a new or used ADP036, no one has it.

Anyone have one to sell or know where I can get one? Thnx.
post #2708 of 3313
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Originally Posted by jonesjw765 View Post

I have looked everywhere online for a new or used ADP036, no one has it.

Anyone have one to sell or know where I can get one? Thnx.

check this substitute: not perfect but close...

http://remotes.com/remotes/servlet/r...13288725411890
post #2709 of 3313
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

This sounds like an interesting workaround and I'm giving it a go.

We haven't had a chance to get to our client's home and try raising any of his changers yet. If anyone can confirm the improved performance when "adjusted" please let the forum know.Thanks!
post #2710 of 3313
can anybody compare the picture/audio quality of the Sony megachangers to an Oppo BDP-93 or 95?
post #2711 of 3313
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Originally Posted by wilbur_the_goose View Post

can anybody compare the picture/audio quality of the Sony megachangers to an Oppo BDP-93 or 95?

I own both the Oppo-93 and the Bdp-cx960 and I see no difference in the picture/audio quality. I use the Oppo for blu-ray rentals and the 960 for disks I own (300+). Hope this helps!
post #2712 of 3313
I have to say that it is a sad thing that Sony has stopped making these 400 disk mega changers. Not only has Sony stopped making them, most all other companies have not made a changer in many years. I can understand why Sony stopped making the 400 disk Blu-ray player. These were sold at such a high price tag nobody could afford them. I have filled my changer with about 375 movies so far and I am getting worried that I will not be able to find another player like this when I finally fill up my changer. I love having all my movies inside one machine and can pick a movie with a few button pushes. I think Sony should continue making these players and lower the price. I really hope Sony makes a newer changer, maybe something along the lines of 3D. I would purchase one or two of these is two seconds flat. Can I get an amen!!!

BTW, since Sony has stopped making this wonderful changer, is there another company that makes a media server that I can actually copy my blu-ray disk library onto this server and hook up to my TV? I don’t want to hack and patch my computer or anything like that. I would like to take my legally purchased blu-ray disks and load them onto a media server of some form and use this. I am having a hard time believing or finding a product out there that can do this without breaking the copy protection.

BTW, a few years ago I think our government or some court decision made it legal to copy and modify the contents of a legally purchased, privately owned DVD. So, since it is not illegal to copy or modify a DVD, why does nobody make a media server that can copy a perfect copy of a Blu-ray or DVD and put it on a legally purchased media server that the masses can purchase?

post #2713 of 3313
How does Control4 have anything to do with the unit's firmware? I would agree they've released something for their technology to work with the changer, but I find it hard to believe that they released something that fixed an issue with the BDP changers. I've been using my changer regularly for the past couple of weeks with it "unleveled" and it completely resolved my invalid disc issue. I went from 25% of the discs being readable to 100%. Sony has not released any firmware updates for this and they only suggested that it needs repaired. There may be a repair required, but for now, it's working as expected.
post #2714 of 3313
Turning off gracenote did absolutely nothing for my unit. It wouldn't even load the disc to get to the point to try and access Gracenote data. And in fact, even discs that had the gracenote data later received the error. I probably tried 50 or 60 different options and settings with nothing preventing the invalid disc issue. Raising the front of the unit worked and is still working. Time will tell if it's a long term solution, but I can almost guarantee that there's not a current firmware change or setting that will fix my changer. If this works for others then great. I suspect there may be a couple of reasons for the infamous "invalid disc" problem and it's frustrating for users. Sony doesn't seem to care and no one knows exactly why. So if there are a few real work arounds, then maybe the users will be happy again. This works for me and may help someone else.
post #2715 of 3313
There is some sort of conspiracy going on - can't find the remote for the BDP-CX960 I just bought open box from Best Buy. They gave me a pretty good deal but my wireless/data wasn't working so I couldn't figure out just how scarce they were. The unit itself works fine, I bought the ridiculous extended warranty but I'm taking it back if I can't find a remote that I can select to BD1,BD2,BD3. I'm going to call the Sony Outlets to see if they have any recommendations. Just find it strange that I can find remotes to Betamax models Sony didn't punch out many of yet I can't find ANY remotes to a Blu-ray player that just ended its product cycle. Found a best busy close-by with a 7000 with remote but they want more than twice what I paid. I know I should just get some sort of more universal solution, but I'm waiting to do that until we buy our next house (sometime next 12 months). The 960 was a firmly thumbs'd up by the better half; she's excited that we'll actually be able to access all our BDs & DVDs quicker. Now...just ready to get a remote for it.
post #2716 of 3313
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Originally Posted by Nitro67 View Post

You need a 3rd party controller. My movies would be the most inexpensive. http://www.mymovies.dk/ It is like 100 us. Anyway, here is a thread about it before. Several people in the thread are using different brands of third party controllers that use the RS232.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...171332&page=88

Currently, I have 3 Sony 7000ES changers. 787 discs, and no invalid disc errors. I bought the third changer for Star Trek Next Generation TV series. Although, you are right Sony doesn't care.

Nitro

We tried sending direct rs232(with an AMX control system) commands with Gracenote turned off to a known player with plenty of "invalid disc" issues and we still continued to get them. It would seem discs would play after the third or fourth attempt in the same slot. The mechanical fix that Waff is espousing seems like a last hope for our client.

We had a 7000ES apart and the player mechanism is in the back left corner,so it would seem raising the front an inch would provide additional force to getting the disc from the carousel to the player. We are distant from the location,but will try raising the players next trip.
post #2717 of 3313
Hi all:

New here...just purchased a 960 new last night...and immediately got the invalid disc error on some discs and even empty slots...thought it was a major problem, didn't know about this forum or the fact that this seems to be a prevalent problem, returned the player and got a new one...so I'm back to zero and hopefully won't run into problems. Two questions:

1. Is the problem also prevalent among the 7000 player?

2. Is there any use sending it back to Sony for repair or would that be a waste of time?

Thanks for your help!

--Tony
post #2718 of 3313
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Originally Posted by sideshowtony View Post

Hi all:

New here...just purchased a 960 new last night...and immediately got the invalid disc error on some discs and even empty slots...thought it was a major problem, didn't know about this forum or the fact that this seems to be a prevalent problem, returned the player and got a new one...so I'm back to zero and hopefully won't run into problems. Two questions:

1. Is the problem also prevalent among the 7000 player?

2. Is there any use sending it back to Sony for repair or would that be a waste of time?

Thanks for your help!

--Tony

I can only speak per my experience. Purchased a 960. Was constantly getting the invalid disc error. Replaced my 960 with a 7000 and have never gotten the invalid disc error. Not once after playing several hundred discs or more. I contribute this is large part to the fact that I have never used the "load" feature of the changer per accessing Gracenote to identify a given disc. I have also never used Sony's XMB for anything other than accessing the settings of the changer. Disc selection is solely done by sending the changer the appropriate RS-232 command via either my Pronto remote and extender or via or my HTPC running My Movies for Windows Media Center.
post #2719 of 3313
The issue does exist with the 7000es. For my scenario, it has nothing to do with Gracenote or accessing the disc through the Sony interface. It's definitely something physical. I had a 960 for years and never had the issue. I bought two 7000es units and one had the issue.
post #2720 of 3313
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Originally Posted by sideshowtony View Post

Hi all:

New here...just purchased a 960 new last night...and immediately got the invalid disc error on some discs and even empty slots...thought it was a major problem, didn't know about this forum or the fact that this seems to be a prevalent problem, returned the player and got a new one...so I'm back to zero and hopefully won't run into problems. Two questions:

1. Is the problem also prevalent among the 7000 player?

2. Is there any use sending it back to Sony for repair or would that be a waste of time?

Thanks for your help!

--Tony

1. Yes

2. No

And does the Sideshow in your forum name refer to Sideshow Collectables? Love that stuff .
post #2721 of 3313
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Originally Posted by Nitro67 View Post

Have you tried the new steps that is listed on Sony's Website? Sony calls it No disc error. I would recommend that you send the unit back to Sony, because your modification will cause the unit to prematurely fail. Sony will not honor their warranty if the unit has been modified beyond normal specs. I am sure the carousel has a bearing, and lifting it an inch will cause more stress on the bearing, so it will fail.

Our client has 16 BDP CX7000ES and has been having"invalid disc" problems on most of the players.Perhaps we should request a replacement for all 16? I have a feeling the same errors would occur.
The information on the website hasn't helped.We tried that months ago.

We have several thousand dollars in man hours messing around with them. If we can get them to play by adjusting as Waff suggests that is the way we are going. As mentioned I am hoping we get additional confirmation from some of the forum members. Thanks
post #2722 of 3313
Add me to the "invalid disc" catastrophe.

Just added Eyes Wide Shut, Close Encounters of the 3rd Kind and Falling Down.

All initially read: "cannot operate this disc", now all are "invalid disc".

No longer under warranty (of course) but I doubt Sony would do much anyway. I've read the last half dozen pages and kept up with this thread for awhile, is there a fix? Seems some talked about physically raising the unit?

Maybe not a long term solution, but can you do it just to load (a) disc(s) and then return it to "normal". Mine seems to at least recognize and play my existing titles.

What a mess. With changers now extinct, I don't see much choice for us who want to catalog titles than to move to 30TB media players...or simply wait "x" number of years.

$hit.

EDIT: ALL THAT NONSENSE ABOVE BECAUSE I'M A MORON!

In a hurry, I loaded all 3 discs with the label to the LEFT. All is well...so far.

I still feel for all else having problems.

James
post #2723 of 3313
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Originally Posted by yancyscot View Post

There is some sort of conspiracy going on - can't find the remote for the BDP-CX960 I just bought open box from Best Buy. They gave me a pretty good deal but my wireless/data wasn't working so I couldn't figure out just how scarce they were. The unit itself works fine, I bought the ridiculous extended warranty but I'm taking it back if I can't find a remote that I can select to BD1,BD2,BD3. I'm going to call the Sony Outlets to see if they have any recommendations. Just find it strange that I can find remotes to Betamax models Sony didn't punch out many of yet I can't find ANY remotes to a Blu-ray player that just ended its product cycle. Found a best busy close-by with a 7000 with remote but they want more than twice what I paid. I know I should just get some sort of more universal solution, but I'm waiting to do that until we buy our next house (sometime next 12 months). The 960 was a firmly thumbs'd up by the better half; she's excited that we'll actually be able to access all our BDs & DVDs quicker. Now...just ready to get a remote for it.

Try this:

http://www.remotes-express.com/SONY/RM-ADP036.html

If that doesn't work go with a URC remote which has the remote codes available (plus you get an HT remote to control all your other devices!)

I'm starting to get the Invalid disc issue as well and it requires 10-15 forced reloads before it works.

post #2724 of 3313
We had received one advance replacement 7000ES a few weeks ago while on site at our clients home.One of the problem "invalid disc" 7000es units was sent back to Sony. There must have been some confusion,because Sony repair called me and to discuss the repair of the 7000ES they had just received. I told him we already had a replacement,but asked what is wrong with the player they received. He said the part was not available and a replacement was appropriate for this repair. I asked what part and he said the "Drive" I asked if he meant the CD/Bluray/DVD drive in the back of the unit and he indicated it was the "optical" or laser section. He didnt speak perfect English so I am not sure if the communication was accurate,but it since they thought the drive was bad, that would at least imply most of the 7000Es units we have are bad.
I wonder if there is a way to get the parts needed and try to fix one or 2 of these on our own? I certainly dont want a bunch of refurbs!
post #2725 of 3313
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Originally Posted by ddingle View Post

We had received one advance replacement 7000ES a few weeks ago while on site at our clients home.One of the problem "invalid disc" 7000es units was sent back to Sony. There must have been some confusion,because Sony repair called me and to discuss the repair of the 7000ES they had just received. I told him we already had a replacement,but asked what is wrong with the player they received. He said the part was not available and a replacement was appropriate for this repair. I asked what part and he said the "Drive" I asked if he meant the CD/Bluray/DVD drive in the back of the unit and he indicated it was the "optical" or laser section. He didnt speak perfect English so I am not sure if the communication was accurate,but it since they thought the drive was bad, that would at least imply most of the 7000Es units we have are bad.
I wonder if there is a way to get the parts needed and try to fix one or 2 of these on our own? I certainly dont want a bunch of refurbs!

ddingle,

Has the owner considered taking these problems out of play by using a third party to control the system? The folks using control 4 and Cinemar have been reporting error free control of the changers, access to all the movies from multiple changers on one menu, no calls to Sony, no repairs, just perfect play everytime. Then they could control the changers from an ipad.
post #2726 of 3313
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Originally Posted by Noah Winter View Post

ddingle,

Has the owner considered taking these problems out of play by using a third party to control the system? The folks using control 4 and Cinemar have been reporting error free control of the changers, access to all the movies from multiple changers on one menu, no calls to Sony, no repairs, just perfect play everytime. Then they could control the changers from an ipad.

There doesn't seem to be any ready made software or program that can control 15 of these changers? I could be wrong however. We have built our own simple control system using AMX. Our testing using direct rs232 commands with AMX continued to display the "invalid disc" issue. We have tried turning off Gracenote and sent rs232 commands and the problems still crops up.
There is a 5 year warranty and we will try to get resolution from Sony in any way possible.Thanks for the input!
post #2727 of 3313
Did you check with Cinemar Solutions?
http://www.cinemarsolutions.com/

I'm using their software solution and it is switching fine between two changers and a hard drive. It even automatically controls and aspect ratio, masking, and projector lens when you click the moive cover art. Its simple and runs from my IPAD or you could use a tablet.
I don't know if there would be a limit to the #changers they could control, but they do have a stand alone "box" to control the changers also.
post #2728 of 3313
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Originally Posted by Noah Winter View Post

Did you check with Cinemar Solutions?
http://www.cinemarsolutions.com/

I don't know if there would be a limit to the #changers they could control, but they do have a stand alone "box" to control the changers also.

Cinemar's limit is 8 changers.
post #2729 of 3313
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Originally Posted by Nitro67 View Post

http://www.cinemarsolutions.com/imag...gram_large.png

All third party systems seem to have a limit of changers. Crestron, Control4, Cinemar, etc. I have a control4 with 5 changers, 32 TB media server, PS3, but the issue with me is that I only have one hdmi port left for another changer on my Denon 5308 receiver. Yes, you can get around the port issue with either a Component or HDMI matrix switch. I plan to add more displays in the future, so my plans is to add an HDMI matrix switch to distribute my sources to other displays in my house. According to my installer, they have used component matrix switches. Although, now people are looking more into the HDMI matrix switch. For example, like the ones from Key Digital. http://www.keydigital.com/items.asp?...x8&Company=KEY (Cost is high though)

Nitro

re HDMI matrix switchers: there is a big range of switchers: from $156.00 to $18k or more

one of the most cost effective HDMI matrix switchers is the Monoprice 4x4 [this matrix switcher works for me better than switches that cost more than 10X price]

http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

beyond 4x4 the cost goes way up

if you want instant HDMI switching over ethernet look at this:

http://justaddpower.com/

my opinion only!
post #2730 of 3313
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Originally Posted by wnl View Post

Cinemar's limit is 8 changers.

Cinemar's limit is actually 7 changers
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