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post #2761 of 3240
3/7/12 at 11:29pm
true 1080p and beyond streaming only has practical use in the fois domain, as for home networks 100mb will suffice for now though over time that will change.

1gb and 10gb home networks are going to be the future as long cat-6 cable within 50 meters of the switch, otherwise a complete fiber network will be needed..

over time I would say cable networks and cell networks will become obsolete given the limited bandwidth these mediums have even sat will feel the pinch also..


what you may display at 1080p may not be a 1080p broadcast given the limited bandwidth current adsl/vdsl/cable/sat services can provides within the terms of speed..
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post #2762 of 3240
3/8/12 at 7:24pm
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Originally Posted by markrubin View Post

I am not sure this is the only reason the changer was discontinued:

there are other ways to do this: DirecTV did a firmware update to disable (a splash screen appears) the composite & S Video outputs when the box was set for higher/ 1080 output...and Sony must have been aware of the rule when they designed the BD changer: the rule has been in place for some time

If that was the primary reason, Sony would have introduced a new changer with just HDMI out...or just made a firmware change

Mark,

I believe the reason Sony has not offered a new changer is two reasons. First, they would not announce a new changer was in the works until they had sold off their existing inventory of changers. Otherwise the announcement would curtail sales of their current model. I am not suggesting that is the main reason, but their flight decks should be clear now with their inventory gone. The low prices of these units being dumped on the market would have hindered others from offering a changer until that was over.

The Mega changer was likely delayed in being introduced, probably due to issues, which caused it to get squeezed by this regulatory window. Another incentive not to build anymore of the current model.

The main reason we do not have a new changer is money. It is always money. If the sales of the changer would have been sufficiently robust, they might have begun talking about a new changer now.

I'm optimistic though. I see no reason why video would not be sold in the sale consumer model that has existed since Ford started selling cars in colors other than black. It all comes back to money. Today you can download music and books, but this delivery method has not eliminated written books, CDs, or LPs. Consumers can choose to purchase lower quality audio through download (ignoring HD music here), buy a CD online or retail, or for the real audiophile an LP. The major suppliers of video from Wal-Mart, Best Buy and Target and companies that manufacture product like Sony would much rather sell a $20 or $30 BD than a $4 download. They have no financial reason, and probably no financial model that would incent them to discontinue offering BDs.

The genie is out of the bottle now with BD, I wouldn't think something of inferior quality would totally wipe it out. BD players and game consoles that play BDs and also permit downloads should continue to be the platform of the future. As long as BD sales continue, there is no reason a new and better BD changer won't come along. BD rocks, long live BD.
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post #2763 of 3240
3/8/12 at 8:06pm
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Originally Posted by Noah Winter View Post

Mark,

I believe the reason Sony has not offered a new changer is two reasons. First, they would not announce a new changer was in the works until they had sold off their existing inventory of changers. Otherwise the announcement would curtail sales of their current model. I am not suggesting that is the main reason, but their flight decks should be clear now with their inventory gone. The low prices of these units being dumped on the market would have hindered others from offering a changer until that was over.

The Mega changer was likely delayed in being introduced, probably due to issues, which caused it to get squeezed by this regulatory window. Another incentive not to build anymore of the current model.

The main reason we do not have a new changer is money. It is always money. If the sales of the changer would have been sufficiently robust, they might have begun talking about a new changer now.

I'm optimistic though. I see no reason why video would not be sold in the sale consumer model that has existed since Ford started selling cars in colors other than black. It all comes back to money. Today you can download music and books, but this delivery method has not eliminated written books, CDs, or LPs. Consumers can choose to purchase lower quality audio through download (ignoring HD music here), buy a CD online or retail, or for the real audiophile an LP. The major suppliers of video from Wal-Mart, Best Buy and Target and companies that manufacture product like Sony would much rather sell a $20 or $30 BD than a $4 download. They have no financial reason, and probably no financial model that would incent them to discontinue offering BDs.

The genie is out of the bottle now with BD, I wouldn't think something of inferior quality would totally wipe it out. BD players and game consoles that play BDs and also permit downloads should continue to be the platform of the future. As long as BD sales continue, there is no reason a new and better BD changer won't come along. BD rocks, long live BD.


I hope so.
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post #2764 of 3240
3/8/12 at 8:53pm
ah the pleasures of throughput bus speed..

s-video max resolution is 720x576 (pal) check ntsc spec yourself... component can support up 1080 over co-ax

so 1080p isn't possible over s-video..
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post #2765 of 3240
3/9/12 at 3:01am
Just to let everyone know i just picked up a 7000 that was a display at my local mag store for 650.00 and they have a new one at the regional warehouse for 750.00 as well as a display 960 for 300.00. Let me know if anyone is interested and i can have them ship o your location.
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post #2766 of 3240
3/9/12 at 3:02am
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Originally Posted by Seadaddy View Post

Just to let everyone know i just picked up a 7000 that was a display at my local mag store for 650.00 and they have a new one at the regional warehouse for 750.00 as well as a display 960 for 300.00. Let me know if anyone is interested and i can have them ship to your location.



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post #2767 of 3240
3/9/12 at 11:22pm
technical spec can be really misleading...

1 min they a plausible speed they adhere too aka best ballpark figure and bog standard..

real world tests have found a lot out that the plausable speed at 100 meters is alot different on what a spec says and the physical medium it can handle..

the distance i've stated is bang on the money any further than those distances and watch your speed deminish drastically..

go and read up on spec before you judge what I say is BS..

I forgot the sources used 6-12 month's ago, real world vs hypothetical speed lays out it's short comings very, 100 meters isn't isn't a statement of fact, it is a statement of hypothetical speed at that distance it doesn't guarantee that you will obtain that speed as that distance..

cable is a shared medium anyway you might be able to get 1gb on docesis 3 though reality you will see 50/1mb or less throughput connection..

if you're getting a 10gb internet connection I would say you ain't running docsis3 you'll be running fiber optic..
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post #2768 of 3240
3/16/12 at 12:23am
Continue to enjoy my 960 without any major issues. My biggest problem is my BD collection has quickly out grown the 960 and at least once a week, I do a an unload/load session of 50 new disc. I worry this will just wear it out quicker or trigger some of the issues other report having. I can't live without a changer.

My biggest source of new discs is TV series that are now going on BD. So I am trying a digital solution again. Earlier stand alone digital just did not work good enough. I just got a networked Micca 350 media player. Internal drive 4 TB and two attached external drives 4 TB, giving me 12 TB total space. Plan to use the media player to store/play ripped TV series, home HD movies, and music collection. Will use network streaming features.

I still like the disc changer for movies the most, but I need more of them. I don't see digital replacing the changer for a while, maybe when we start getting 50-100 TB drives.
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post #2769 of 3240
3/16/12 at 4:56am
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Originally Posted by Seadaddy View Post

Just to let everyone know i just picked up a 7000 that was a display at my local mag store for 650.00 and they have a new one at the regional warehouse for 750.00 as well as a display 960 for 300.00. Let me know if anyone is interested and i can have them ship o your location.

Seadaddy,

I'm interested in the CX7000ES, will they ship to Canada and do they have online ordering? Also do they do region-free modding?

I realize this unit is way past its 'best buy' date but it's so unique and could be the answer to my prayers regarding 'how the heck do I sort out my huge DVD/Blu-Ray collection?' I see that Sony issued firmware updates for it as recently as last year, so they still support it at least.

Pity they still don't make these things, but I guess the market for them dwindled.

Now to figure out where the heck I could possibly put something that's approaching the size of a mini-dishwasher.
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post #2770 of 3240
3/16/12 at 5:21am
I will give them a call today are you looking at the 960 or the 7000?
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post #2771 of 3240
3/16/12 at 5:22am
Sry I'm an idiot I just noticed you were asking about the 7000
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post #2772 of 3240
3/16/12 at 5:57am
That makes 2 of us....me for thinking about buying it...LOL.

Don't forget to ask about region-free modding.

I do have an alternative supplier if they don't do modding but he sells at the list price.

Thanks ;-)
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post #2773 of 3240
3/16/12 at 8:05am
If they can't ship to Canada, we could probably find a way to get it to you somehow. You could purchase it and I can ship it to you if need be. I'm located in southern Maine, where are you in Canada?
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post #2774 of 3240
3/16/12 at 8:15am
I'm in Toronto, Ontario - it's there right under my photo ;-)

I have a US mailing address company but they would charge an absolute Earth for something that heavy.

I do have this link to a modded one: http://www.world-import.com/sony-bdp...ga-changer.htm UPS charge about $124. (Plus taxes and brokerage fees when I receive it).

Which I'm considering.

I'm weighing up whether or not to sacrifice yet another holiday in the pursuit of audio/video pleasure here at home.

I'm also trying to figure out where the heck to put it as it's so huge and how to connect. I've run out of inputs to my Bose Lifestyle 135 so it would have to be HDMI direct to the TV where I have 2 spare HDMI inputs left, but I can still use the Bose for sound by selecting TV input.
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post #2775 of 3240
3/16/12 at 9:24am
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Originally Posted by Seadaddy View Post

If they can't ship to Canada, we could probably find a way to get it to you somehow. You could purchase it and I can ship it to you if need be. I'm located in southern Maine, where are you in Canada?

I'm 50 miles from the border! (But closer to Winnipeg.) Maybe I could run one up for ya.

When get lots of Canadians that come down to shop. Why do so many put running boards on their cars? We place them on trucks, but it looks pretty funny on a Taurus.
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post #2776 of 3240
3/16/12 at 10:16am
I've no idea, I don't drive.
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post #2777 of 3240
3/16/12 at 10:29pm
In the past, you could ship packages from USPS to Canada. Although, I am not sure now. That was the most economical way to ship to Canada. You can go either Fed EX or UPS, but I believe that receiver has to pick it up at the border. Here is a link to a ebay on shipping packages to Canada from the USA. reviews.ebay.com/Shipping-to-Canada-via-the-United-States-Postal-Service?ugid=10000000000084869
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post #2778 of 3240
3/17/12 at 12:51am
I've been buying goods from the US (& overseas) for years, usually with no problem.
There's no problem getting goods delivered transborder right to my door via USPS & Canada Post, UPS, Fedex or whomever, but it's a question of whether or not the merchant is prepared to ship outside the US. Many aren't willing to do so as it involves customs declaration labels etc. etc. and often ignorant recipients blame them when confronted with a delivery person asking for what can be a fairly steep amount of money in Customs brokerage fees and local sales taxes. That's partially the merchant's fault for not making it clear at point of sale that such charges are the liability of the recipient.
Other merchants, such as TigerDirect, NewEgg, L.L. Bean and suchlike have websites geared for both countries but ship nevertheless from the States and the prices of their goods already includes any such fees and taxes. (L.L. Bean even offers free shipping to Canada I'm glad to say).
For other goods I have a US shipping company who provide a US mailing address and then charge a fairly hefty fee for forwarding the goods. I also have a UK one for European goods for when a merchant only ships within that area.
All very complicated but it works well, if not the most efficient way in some instances.
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post #2779 of 3240
3/17/12 at 9:48pm
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Originally Posted by Ex_Brit View Post

I've been buying goods from the US (& overseas) for years, usually with no problem.
There's no problem getting goods delivered transborder right to my door via USPS & Canada Post, UPS, Fedex or whomever, but it's a question of whether or not the merchant is prepared to ship outside the US. Many aren't willing to do so as it involves customs declaration labels etc. etc. and often ignorant recipients blame them when confronted with a delivery person asking for what can be a fairly steep amount of money in Customs brokerage fees and local sales taxes. That's partially the merchant's fault for not making it clear at point of sale that such charges are the liability of the recipient.
Other merchants, such as TigerDirect, NewEgg, L.L. Bean and suchlike have websites geared for both countries but ship nevertheless from the States and the prices of their goods already includes any such fees and taxes. (L.L. Bean even offers free shipping to Canada I'm glad to say).
For other goods I have a US shipping company who provide a US mailing address and then charge a fairly hefty fee for forwarding the goods. I also have a UK one for European goods for when a merchant only ships within that area.
All very complicated but it works well, if not the most efficient way in some instances.


Well, it is the planned cuts coming from the USPS. Probably just slow delivery to Canada. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1297325.html
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post #2780 of 3240
3/17/12 at 10:56pm
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Originally Posted by Ex_Brit View Post

Seadaddy,

I'm interested in the CX7000ES, will they ship to Canada and do they have online ordering? Also do they do region-free modding?



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Originally Posted by Ex_Brit View Post


Don't forget to ask about region-free modding.

It appears that he was referring to a Magnolia store, which is a division of Best Buy. And if so, there is no way they would be dealing with region free players or modding them.
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post #2781 of 3240
3/18/12 at 4:08am
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Originally Posted by Nitro67 View Post

Well, it is the planned cuts coming from the USPS. Probably just slow delivery to Canada. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1297325.html

Well this particular article couldn't go USPS anyway, it's too heavy. It would have to be UPS or Fedex.

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Originally Posted by Johnla View Post

It appears that he was referring to a Magnolia store, which is a division of Best Buy. And if so, there is no way they would be dealing with region free players or modding them.

I suspected that. I've found a place that only sells them modded anyway and , although it isn't vital that it's modded as I already have my modded Oppo BDP-93, it just makes things more convenient. As the changer has no PAL to NTSC circuitry built in as in the Oppo, any region-free mod for Blu-Ray is fine apparently but for DVD's requires a decoder in-between it and the TV unless the TV is dual-standard, according to the link I posted earlier. Don't ask me why as I'm not that technical.

I'm still not decided whether or not to go ahead and buy this behemoth. But it would free up scads of shelf space which is currently occupied by DVD's in jewel cases. My BR's I think I would keep out for my Oppo to play. I would pick the 7000 simply because it has Gracenote and non of the others has that. Sadly it's missing a port to plug in a keyboard, but I would deal with that problem when I come to it.

I just hope that it wont disappoint by refusing to play certain disks because the latest firmware for it was issued last year and I'm not sure if Sony intends to continue supporting it.
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post #2782 of 3240
3/19/12 at 12:12pm
@Seadaddy, thanks for the offer but I went ahead and bought it from World-Imports as per the link I posted earlier on.

Also purchased a sturdy end-table to stick it on next to my audio equipment cabinet, which wont take something that bulky and heavy (it already has my 300-disk CD changer in it) plus longer Ethernet and HDMI cables than I have in my collection so it can get hooked up from the slightly more distant position to the TV and my router.

Will no doubt get dinged for tax when all this is delivered as both the end table and the unit are crossing the border.

So there goes my California vacation - up in smoke figuratively speaking.

Ah well, I'll just have to watch travelogues on TV more often to make up for it ;-(

Now if only I had decided on doing this a couple of years ago I could have bought it locally...LOL
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post #2783 of 3240
3/19/12 at 1:03pm
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Originally Posted by Ex_Brit View Post

@Seadaddy, thanks for the offer but I went ahead and bought it from World-Imports as per the link I posted earlier on.

Also purchased a sturdy end-table to stick it on next to my audio equipment cabinet, which wont take something that bulky and heavy (it already has my 300-disk CD changer in it) plus longer Ethernet and HDMI cables than I have in my collection so it can get hooked up from the slightly more distant position to the TV and my router.

Will no doubt get dinged for tax when all this is delivered as both the end table and the unit are crossing the border.

So there goes my California vacation - up in smoke figuratively speaking.

Ah well, I'll just have to watch travelogues on TV more often to make up for it ;-(

Now if only I had decided on doing this a couple of years ago I could have bought it locally...LOL

Thats great to hear your going to love having the convenience, it is definitely worth skipping the vacation.
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post #2784 of 3240
3/19/12 at 1:25pm
Well it's going to be a great relief from having to empty a couple of shelves full of DVD cases stacked 3 rows deep just to find what I'm after...!!

Thanks for the encouragement - greatly needed when I get further into debt...LOL
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post #2785 of 3240
3/20/12 at 5:54am
I'm in a bit of a quandary here as to arranging my audio-video gear for the best accessibility (& aesthetics) in a rather tight space.
This unit will be placed on a (link) sturdy (I hope) end-table which I ordered as it wont fit anywhere else, but I've also been meaning to find a better spot for the 300-disk CD changer, which at present sits on top of the existing audio cabinet with my turntable on top of that, giving the place a rather cluttered look as that brings the latter to my upper chest height.
The thought crossed my mind to put the CD Changer on the end table and stack the CX7000ES on top of it. Considering how heavy these things are, especially when full of disks, I'm wondering if I should forget about moving the CD Changer.
I combed Sony literature and I failed to find warnings about stacking and the units are the same width but the DVD one is slightly deeper and higher of course but the feet are most likely in the same spot on each, so it's possible.
What do you guys think?
The table by the way will also house my Bose wireless bass reflex speaker very conveniently in the inside space, which at present sits on the floor in the spot where this is going.
This is like a scene from Dune (the original), "plans within plans"...ta da. ;-)
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post #2786 of 3240
3/20/12 at 6:20am
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Originally Posted by Ex_Brit View Post

I'm in a bit of a quandary here as to arranging my audio-video gear for the best accessibility (& aesthetics) in a rather tight space.
This unit will be placed on a sturdy (I hope) end-table which I ordered as it wont fit anywhere else, but I've also been meaning to find a better spot for the 300-disk CD changer, which at present sits on top of the existing audio cabinet with my turntable on top of that, giving the place a rather cluttered look as that brings the latter to my upper chest height.
The thought crossed my mind to put the CD Changer on the end table and stack the CX7000ES on top of it. Considering how heavy these things are, especially when full of disks, I'm wondering if I should forget about moving the CD Changer.
I combed Sony literature and I failed to find warnings about stacking and the units are the same width but the DVD one is slightly deeper and higher of course but the feet are most likely in the same spot on each, so it's possible.
What do you guys think?

I would place a piece of 3/4 mdf cut to fit on top of the bd change as there is no ventilation on top that way you are evenly distributing the weight. I would just spray paint the mdf black to match.
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post #2787 of 3240
3/20/12 at 6:28am
Not being a handyman I would rely on my local hardware store in that regard.
There are no vents on the tops or bottoms of these units as far as I know and the DVD unit is fan cooled at the rear. The CD one generates hardly any heat. But you think they need a weight distribution? Good thought.
Actually I was planning on placing the DVD changer on top of the older unit which is rather scratched up on top, it would hide that nicely.
By the way I had amended the above post just as you responded but the gist is the same.
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post #2788 of 3240
3/20/12 at 6:44am
I forgot to add, I also emailed Sony Canada Technical Support for a second opinion as they hopefully know their own products better than I...!!

Thanks for that idea, it's a good one.

Edit: Here's their answer.

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Thank you for contacting Sony Support.

I understand that you wish to place the CD player on top of the Blu-ray Disc Mega Changer. It is not recommended by Sony to place the CD player on top of the Blu-ray Disc Mega Changer or vice versa. Placing one unit on top of the other may apply weight on the bottom unit and cause the unit to malfunction. Also, the ventilation will be blocked and the heat will be generated.

Thank you for your time.

Sony of Canada, Ltd.
C2X2
Bree

Hmmm, I wonder if they are erring on the side of caution?
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post #2789 of 3240
3/20/12 at 9:23pm
Well, Sony has your answer. I would recommend that you use your end table, as an end table. The problem with regular furniture is it doesn't allow you to expand your system. Buy some real audio furniture like this from Salamander. http://www.salamanderdesigns.com/syn/singles.jsp

I have the Triple 30 from Salamander with (3) Sony 7000ES changers, (2) Sony 777ES DVD changers, Denon 5308 Receiver, Control4 HC-300 and Control4 IO extender, Furman Power supply, and Sony XBR-2 LCOS 70" (The control4 setup allows me to select the movies via an Ipad) My subwoofer is Definitive Technology Supercube Reference. http://www.definitivetech.com/Produc...Cube_Reference (Well, my old subwoofer got a power spike from lightning, so the Supercube is the insurance money replacement)

In one year, I expanded from (1) Sony 7000ES changer to (3) Sony 7000ES changers. Eliminated 2 bookcases of Blu-rays.
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post #2790 of 3240
3/20/12 at 10:44pm
if you are going the route of multiple changers I'd be looking a dedicated rack mount system with counterweights at the back..
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