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post #2821 of 3313
Well it's a 'work in progress' anyway and I'm learning as I go along by trial and error. I'll get it the way I want eventually.
post #2822 of 3313
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Originally Posted by Ex_Brit View Post

There are various HDMI expander boxes out there and I shall get one should the occasion arise. I already have an audio one for 2 audio components I have, to use I audio input on the HT.

The only thing I don't like about feeding the HDMI to my TV first then sound via TOSlink to the HT is I find TOSlink seems to generate weird pops and thumps when there is no output from the source (it is fine whilst the output is playing). Never quite figured out why it does that. It's only recently I resorted to using optical audio links for the first time so I'm not really used to them and their quirks.
I did read online that glass TOSlink cable can sometimes stop this noise so am going to get one to try it. If it fails to improve things then it must be static caused by the TV itself Strangely I have another identical one running from my CD Changer to my HT and that is perfect.

Well, I had to upgrade from my Yamaha DSP-A1 because I was getting those pops over Toslink with certain Blu-ray movies with Dolby TrueHD in October 2007. I have run Toslink with a home theater pc, which is fine for some movies. Just if you want the better audio from bluray, then you need a new receiver. HDMI is one part, but you need a receiver that can decode those audio formats from the blu-ray disc. The Denon receivers are the best value/quality to build a system. Denon keeps you to up with the current firmware upgrades and at times adds more features with ethernet connection. The Denon 5308 is the best receiver that I have ever owned, but it is rather expensive. I bought it for the Realta HQV video processor, basically upgrades any source to 1080P.

My first experience with the audio was with this BD Disc that came packaged in my Pioneer Elite BD player. Dave Matthews and Tim Reynolds: Live at Radio City TrueHD 5.1 24bit 96kHz
You can use this site to find the better audio codecs with bluray. http://blu-raystats.com/Stats/Stats.php

For the cost of the Bose Lifestyle 135, you could have bought a Denon AVR-3312, and started building your speaker setup. Really depends on your choice, but I do like Definitive technology. Definitive technology does have smaller subwoofers that could fit in a cabinet. Although, my local home theater store gave me a great discount on the super cube reference. If you are fine with 1080P, then this should last you quite awhile..

The problem with QuadHD 4K x 2K that is coming in 2013, well I suspect audio formats will change again. The only TV that allows you to upconvert your 1080P to 4K is this one. Sharp 4K ICC-4K LED TV http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THpF94kdFE0
post #2823 of 3313
Yes I know but I wanted the smallest receiver possible and no speakers apart from a soundbar and bass reflex. My old system had speakers all over the place and didn't sound nearly as good as the current one plus the clutter drove me insane.

Regarding those pops and thumps over TOSlink I read a post elsewhere about using glass (as distinct from the regular plastic) TOSlink cable to reduce or eliminate them.
post #2824 of 3313
sounds like like a disc problem rather than a cable issue, like dvd's bd's suffer the same issues that plagues dvd media..

pits and whistle will not be illiminated if there are faults in the production process...
post #2825 of 3313
They happen before the media is being scanned. They stop as soon as the disc is loaded.
post #2826 of 3313
when was the last time you cleaned the cable ends, dirt and other crap can distort the transmission image to be honest i've never seen the issue on toslink before you mentioned it, I haven't had the issue myself with my multi disc players..
so i'm at a loss in what to suggest to fix the issue...

best thing i could say is talk to sony's service tech and see what they say..
post #2827 of 3313
Yes it's strange. The Toslink from my CD Changer doesn't do it, only the one from the TV to the HT receiver.
I can do away with the need for it by getting a 2 or 3-in-1 HDMI switcher for one of the receiver's inputs.
I'll sort it out eventually.
Thanks.
post #2828 of 3313
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Originally Posted by Ex_Brit View Post

Regarding those pops and thumps over TOSlink I read a post elsewhere about using glass (as distinct from the regular plastic) TOSlink cable to reduce or eliminate them.

Glass vs. plastic is not the issue. The issue that causes pops and thumps..basically a limit in bandwidth (and errors!) is the conversion on both ends. Remember a digital signal must be converted to light THEN on the receiving side it gets converted back to an electrical signal. With coax there is no conversion. The use of higher quality transceivers and laser diodes would increase bandwidth and range tremendously. Optical SPDIF was never designed for this. That is why your CD audio works...

Does your TV have a digital coaxial? I see that Bose lifestyle has one. In my setup, I just run HDMI from the receiver to the tv, then my BD changers are HDMI only. On DVD changers, I run component from the changer to the receiver, then digital coaxial. I am not sure why you are running toslink to the tv and receiver, because you said the other changer was CD. Actually, on my server. I just use HDMI from the video card to my receiver. All of the movies on the server are DVD, but I just need the hdmi cable.
post #2829 of 3313
makes you wonder if the spdif output is bad in the player in question..

though to me it sounds like there could be a foreign object on the toslink cable...
post #2830 of 3313
This is the optical connection from the TV to the Bose unit. Could be dust/debris interfering with the optical signal which I can blast out with compressed air.

Yes it has coaxial connectors but the way the TV is supposed to be hooked up according to Bose is HDMI out to TV and TOSlink audio in (Bose unit isn't ARC enabled unfortunately although the TV is, yes I was surprised when I discovered that - and the TV only has 2 audio-outs - TOSlink or headphone jack). I suspect either dirt, as suggested above, or that the TV out is suspect, or the cable I have currently is inferior.

I'll experiment a bit when I get the time.
post #2831 of 3313
hmm

general consensis is if the tv has an optical connection it is an output only whether it a 3.5mm fiber or sp/dif unless stated otherwise within the manual, i have yet to see an input option sp/dif for tv..

my suspect is a dirty connection on actual cable, with co-ax digital likely a earthing issue causing static.. if bose doesn't support arc thren you might want to try disabling the feature on the tv assuming the hdmi cable and tv support arc..
post #2832 of 3313
Yes I'll clean the sockets with compressed air and try maybe a new cable. ARC is disabled on the TV as I can't use it with Bose.

Of course if I connected a 2 or 3-way switch to one of my Bose HDMI inputs then all this discussion would be unnecessary as I would have the Sony connected directly to Bose.

Then the only time the TV TOSlink out would come into play would be when playing with the LG Apps.
post #2833 of 3313
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Originally Posted by Ex_Brit View Post

Yes I'll clean the sockets with compressed air and try maybe a new cable. ARC is disabled on the TV as I can't use it with Bose.

Of course if I connected a 2 or 3-way switch to one of my Bose HDMI inputs then all this discussion would be unnecessary as I would have the Sony connected directly to Bose.

Then the only time the TV TOSlink out would come into play would be when playing with the LG Apps.

For now just remove the TOSLINK cable. You don't need it. Anyway, it seems to be common problem with BOSE, according to my google search. Several people are getting static in Toslink optical spdif. Also look to see if Bose firmware can be upgraded/ For example, when Star Wars first came out. There was odd sound drop in the certain parts of the movie, but it was traced back to the receiver , which my Denon had a free upgrade. People at first thought it was in the bluray disc, but Lucas Films response was that the receivers needed upgraded. That was the case, so now my copy of Star Wars Saga works perfectly.
http://forum.bigpicturebigsound.com/...u-ray-set.html

My home theater audio installer recommends Digital coaxial over toslink. Well, a friend that is an optical engineer and has worked in his profession as a researcher said that the glass optical cable are easily broken. I like Blue jean cables and had good luck with them, so you might look at them. http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/...udio/index.htm
post #2834 of 3313
That's just it I do need it, if I use any of the built-in LG TV Apps, Netflix etc. etc. and until I get an HDMI switch I need it to listen to audio from the Sony Mega Changer. I would rather suspect the TV and/or its TOSlink connector as I am using an identical TOSlink cable from my Sony CD Changer to Bose and it doesn't exhibit any of these issues.
Firmware is up to date for the TV, Bose, Sony and Oppo. Nothing else involves firmware as far as I know.
post #2835 of 3313
ahh

i just realized something does this squelch happen on media playback on the tv side???


I just remembered an odd thing my pc does when using win media, on decoding divx and so forth encoded content and i suspect this same issue might afffecting the tv and bose you're using if it is this try a different player it might fix squelch issue..

i would likely say the bose might be having issues decoding what you're playing or generally watching...

best thing i can suggest to do is find a doner avr and try that and see ff your problem persists..
post #2836 of 3313
It doesn't happen when anything is actually playing, only when there's no signal going through. I suspect it's LG's problem if not the TOSlink socket.
Like when I select that input but haven't yet started playing anything.
post #2837 of 3313
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Originally Posted by Ex_Brit View Post

That's just it I do need it, if I use any of the built-in LG TV Apps, Netflix etc. etc. and until I get an HDMI switch I need it to listen to audio from the Sony Mega Changer. I would rather suspect the TV and/or its TOSlink connector as I am using an identical TOSlink cable from my Sony CD Changer to Bose and it doesn't exhibit any of these issues.
Firmware is up to date for the TV, Bose, Sony and Oppo. Nothing else involves firmware as far as I know.

Well, you need to contact LG on the Toslink side. I don't own an LG tv, so can't comment that it needs TOSLINK for LG apps. Although, you might check to the settings in the LG interface. Perhaps you have it set wrong to the bose receiver. I remember something about this in the past, and it had to do with the frequency.

Although, my PS3 has 1 hdmi and it does have the Toslink. It also has Netflix and several apps built in. I have only hdmi hooked to it. So I use that to stream Netflix to my tv. Well, I hate the video quality. So for Netflix, you only need HDMI and Ethernet

I don't use my Sony 7000ES for 2 channel audio, because I have the Sony 777ES DVD/SACD changers for this. The HDMI spec does allow for 2 channel pcm audio though. I have listened to 2 channel audio over my server and it is only connected to 1 HDMI cable.

The only reason that i can think of that BOSE wants toslink in addition to HDMI is your tv set top box. For example, I used to have Uverse in the past. They hdmi on their box, but it doesn't work correctly. So I had to use component. I just quit watching regular TV, so I don't have that option any more. Typically, it is movies only or audio.
post #2838 of 3313
I think it's because Bose aren't yet ARC enabled.
post #2839 of 3313
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Originally Posted by Ex_Brit View Post

I think it's because Bose aren't yet ARC enabled.

Well, I don't have ARC. Do I need it? Nope!
post #2840 of 3313
Hi - I have ARC and I love it.
post #2841 of 3313
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Originally Posted by Ex_Brit View Post

I think it's because Bose aren't yet ARC enabled.

Well, my TV doesn't have ARC...although, just google some more answers about it.

http://www.highdefforum.com/high-def...-question.html
Another Poster on this forum replied....
It wouldn't be used with your equipment.

ARC is designed to replace the optical cable used to feed audio from a TV to a receiver. Let's say you have an off air antenna for TV reception and you want to use your surround processor for audio, then you have to feed audio from the TV to the processor. That's usually done with an optical cable from the TV's digital output to an unused receiver input. But, if you already have an HDMI cable connecting the receiver and TV, ARC allows you to use it instead of installing an optical cable. Both the TV and receiver have to support HDMI 1.4 and ARC, of course.

http://www.highdefforum.com/speakers...n-channel.html

Another poster replied

ARC simply eliminates the need for a separate cable to feed audio from a TV to a sound system. It adds no extra functionality beyond the usual S/PDIF connection. So, you wouldn't get dts-MA audio even if your TV supported ARC since lossless cannot be sent over optical or coax. If your Xbox is connected to the Onkyo with HDMI, then there's no sound flowing from the TV and no other cable is needed. You should connect everything to the Onkyo and only use audio out of the TV for your OTA source.



(So on your system, you only need HDMI!) Since your receiver doesn't support ARC at this time.
post #2842 of 3313
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(So on your system, you only need HDMI!) Since your receiver doesn't support ARC at this time.

Wrong unfortunately.

The receiver's HDMI connection is out to the TV only, and although the TV is ARC capable the receiver is not as previously discussed, so I DO need an audio feed from the TV to the receiver so I can hear any output that originates on the TV itself, those include the dozens of LG Apps, my PC output when I use the TV as a monitor, which isn't very often, and lastly the basic cable should my digital signal fail which it does on occasion or should the box itself fail which isn't unknown, so I have the cable split - once to the box and once directly to the TV antenna input.

However, I have now relegated the TOSlink to the infrequent occasions I use the above sources and have bought this connector which is now plugged into the receiver's HDMI input I designated Blu-Ray with both the Oppo and the Sony plugged into it and it works perfectly.
post #2843 of 3313
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Originally Posted by Ex_Brit View Post

Wrong unfortunately.

The receiver's HDMI connection is out to the TV only, and although the TV is ARC capable the receiver is not as previously discussed, so I DO need an audio feed from the TV to the receiver so I can hear any output that originates on the TV itself, those include the dozens of LG Apps, my PC output when I use the TV as a monitor, which isn't very often, and lastly the basic cable should my digital signal fail which it does on occasion or should the box itself fail which isn't unknown, so I have the cable split - once to the box and once directly to the TV antenna input.

However, I have now relegated the TOSlink to the infrequent occasions I use the above sources and have bought this connector which is now plugged into the receiver's HDMI input I designated Blu-Ray with both the Oppo and the Sony plugged into it and it works perfectly.

Well, I am not sure on the model of your LG tv, but the manual that I was looking at from LG had both Toslink & coaxial. I see LG has some mobile apps, but they might have PC apps too. If you are into streaming though, download Playon. Basicially it has all the streaming apps, and you use the pc. My receiver has my pc, and all the changers etc on it. So basically, I just select from my ipad what to use. Although, I have the tv speakers not hooked up. Anyway, it is good that you have things working..
post #2844 of 3313
It's the 47LW5700 and I wish it did have coaxial out. The only outputs are Toslink and Headphone.
post #2845 of 3313
By the way, regarding this player and Gracenote...wow, Gracenote needs smartening up. Loaded Star Wars Blu-Ray complete set and it labelled each disc the same as the 1st one. Not a good start but we shall see what transpires as time goes on. It's a long process loading discs despite my hi-speed Internet, I guess the LAN connection for the unit is only a 100 one so it's relatively slow compared with my PC.
post #2846 of 3313
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By the way, regarding this player and Gracenote...wow, Gracenote needs smartening up. Loaded Star Wars Blu-Ray complete set and it labelled each disc the same as the 1st one. Not a good start but we shall see what transpires as time goes on. It's a long process loading discs despite my hi-speed Internet, I guess the LAN connection for the unit is only a 100 one so it's relatively slow compared with my PC.

Yes, Gracenote is not that great with the sony interface. Well, I wanted to add more changers, so I bought a control4 setup. Control4 has a software that allows you manually enter the movies via your computer. So you just type in the title, and it locates it via gracenote. If you don't like their search, then you can change it to meet your needs. Another software that you might look into is called MyMovies. It is only about 100 us, but you can catalog your movies. I do recommend that you keep a catalog of your movies, by disc slot.

I am not sure what is the speed of the Ethernet connection, but probably 10 Mb/sec or 100 Mb/sec. It is relatively fast for me, but it could be your Ethernet switch. I have a 1 Gb/sec switch, but Ethernet shares the ports. So it is around 100 Mb/sec per port.
post #2847 of 3313
Thanks for the hints.
post #2848 of 3313
It seems that Gracenote has frequent outages, nervous breakdowns or other strange behaviors. Although I'm new to all this I've observed discs loading on the machine and the behavior varies widely.
I was loading a complete TV series which involved some 16 DVD's and Gracenote found the first few then there was a complete lapse of memory for the middle few only to be found again for the last 6 (it never did regain the info the those middle ones). As you know it's a PITA inputting stuff manually with the absence of a keyboard input socket on this model, never understood why they chose to drop that as it was such a simple thing to include. The ones it missed were, however, recognised as retail DVD's because I could edit all of the parameters, whereas with your own DVD's or movie copies (dare I say), it only allows a name to be input.
On another occasion it recognized a 2-disc movie for everything BUT the title, getting the release year, genre, director and cast member correct, which I found quite bizarre.
Another one was a movie released last year that it decided was made in 1935...ooops.
I also don't like the way the unit insists on playing the movie once loaded for the first time. I can't find an auto-play on/off control anywhere so assume there isn't one. You can easily stop it by clicking Home on the remote, but it is a nuisance.
The idea of a home server appeals but at the moment is out of the question but I will certainly keep it in mind.

The saga continues..... and I just realized that I wish I could afford a second one of these units...LOL.

Question to anyone with one of these: if one turns off Gracenote does it erase whatever information is already stored, or simply stop new discs loading information? Until I know for sure I wont be touching that off setting. ;-)
post #2849 of 3313
my pet project if or when i win lotto is to import 10-20 of the suckers then spend the rest of my life filling them up..

imagine the whole stargate saga... never mind star trek
post #2850 of 3313
LOL, thankfully there are still new ones to be had out there which is amazing considering how long they've been out of production. At least Sony still puts out firmware updates for them which is good news but no sign of them ever reintroducing that line.
The only problem with them is their size. Sony already advised me against even thinking about stacking them. Great for someone with unlimited room which I don't have unfortunately.
Anyway, it's a nice thought I must admit ;-)
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