Official Sony BD Mega-Changer Thread: BDP-CX7000ES & BDP-CX960 - Page 98

I emailed Sony again about the firmware again:

When is Sony going to update the firmware for the BDP-CX960 Bluray changer? The last time was 5/2011. I have 2 blurays (Bad Boys (1983) & Fast Times At Ridgemont High) that will not play in my changer. They work fine in my PlayStation 3. I have emailed you in the past about this and nothing has been done. The firmware needs to be updated.

Response:
Thank you for contacting Sony Support.

I understand your concern regarding the non-availability of the Firmware update for the Blu-ray Disc Changer. Unfortunately, there is no Firmware update available at this point of time. Also, as mentioned in the previous response, your request for the Firmware update has been forwarded to our sustaining Engineering team. Once the Firmware update is available, it will be reflected in our Esupport website. Please bookmark the update link provided in the previous response and check periodically, if any update is released.

Thank you for understanding.

In other words, pound sand.

My 960 is no longer under warranty. The Bad Boys bluray starts to load(it shows the Lions Gate logo) but the screen eventually goes black. It doesn't respond to any of my remote commands and never goes to the menu.
The Fast Times at Ridgemont High bluray loads the online previews and afterwards, the the Universal loading icon appears and then it goes black. No response from remote. These are the only 2 Blurays of mine that do that.

Have you tried moving them to a different slot? Maybe it is not the discs? As another test you could put another BD that is working into those slots and see if they play.

Try turning off the Internet access setting. I've had some issues in the past when the discs try to automatically download content. Just a thought.

I've already tried the things mentioned. I contacted Sony support and they will call me in 48 hours. The guy that I spoke to believes it's a digital rights management(DRM) issue. Basically, sometimes studios issue different security, copyright protections with new bluray releases. Sometimes these can be fixed with firmware updates but sometimes they can't. When they can't, it can only be a hardware fix which means that the only solution is buying a new bluray player. I asked him it there are any plans for Sony to make a new bluray megachanger and he said there are no plans. I'll let you guys know what he says when he calls me back.

Thanks for checking. Pity Sony stopped making them but not surprising considering the world economy, this sort of thing is the last thing people buy when crises happen and I guess it wasn't worth their while.
Who knows what they'll do down the road though?
One thing they could do and that is be a bit more snappy with firmware updates. That shouldn't be too hard for them to do.

Why does that not surprise me? ;-)

I recently discovered that The Incredible Hulk Blu Ray will not load and play in my 960, it used to load and play fine.

For those of you that have discs that used to play & don't play now you can try to do a factory reset & see if that helps.

I had the same problem with "A Bug's Life" & did a factory reset & it played fine.

I've pretty much quit using my changer. The Gracenote downloads were getting so bad about 1/3 of my mine had wrong cover art or sometimes cover arts in different languages.

It was ridiculous. I used to email Gracenote about which ones were wrong & it would take them forever to correct them.

Now I have so many of them that are wrong it would be useless. I have a CX-960. Plus it takes so long for a disc to load.

If Sony would build a new faster changer with streaming options & I can use mymovies software for cover art then I would be one tomorrow.

I tried the factory reset and it worked for Fast Times At Ridgemont High. It didn't work for Bad Boys(1983) though. So Bad Boys is the only one that doesn't work in my 960.

Just a quick note to all regarding what I discovered when Gracenote has problems finding the appropriate information or finds incorrect information. It often works better if you let it do its thing then eject the disc and click the Disc Load button on the player itself. This time Gracenote will often offer a choice from a menu. It doesn't always work that way I agree and certainly wont for home-made discs, but is useful to know.

I wasn't talking about when one is using some intermediary software or hardware which really should be discussed in it's own thread as it's taking attention away from discussion of the unit itself. I meant using the unit on its own.


The Cloud...sigh...let's hope ISP's start being a little more generous with their caps.

Besides there are many old fogeys like myself that prefer to have the stuff right at hand for whenever one wants to view it without having to access the Internet.

What I've seen from existing streaming services still isn't as good as I can get from a Bluray. Maybe at some point in the future it will be a viable alternative to a physical disc, but for people (like myself) who have home theaters with large screens in light controlled environments the on-line technology isn't quite there yet. And by the time it catches up we will all be drooling over 4K.

Plus, with online services there is no guarantee that the title will always be there for you when you want to see it. This is certainly true for rentals, and is even true for purchases (such as with Amazon). They can still pull the title even after you have purchased it. As I recall this happened with some e-book titles not too long ago.

I have to believe that the MPAA is behind much of this. Having complete control of content is their holy grail.

OK I'll concede the subjects being discussed are all intertwined, however I doubt the mega changer was designed with all this networking in mind, more likely simply to be a convenient way for an individual to access a fairly large movie collection. You guys are fortunate to be able to enhance that ability because of 3rd party software and hardware.

My cable is hi-speed 28 Mbps/down and 1Mbps up with a monthly cap of 120gb which isn't that big when downloading HD content whether or not it's compressed.

That feeds 6 operating systems, 2 iPads and 1 iPhone plus Oppo, the TV and this player.

I shall see how things go and if I need it then I'll give it a whirl. Thanks for the info.

iTunes is not a streaming service (except for "Radio"). It is a download service.


These last statements make it perfectly clear that you don't know what you are talking about.


And this confirms it.

The cap is imposed by certain ISPs on total amount of data downloaded per month, regardless of what it is. The ISP doesn't need to see what it is, so encrypted or otherwise it is capped. And being "logged in" to another service doesn't make a difference: all the data still transits your ISP to get to you.

Really? I guess the Huffington post is wrong too...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1...n_1092884.html
When Itunes Match was introduced in October, they introduce the iCloud. Apple TV uses streaming in their new movies, but the guy that created the technology was Steve Perlman. Although, streaming began in the early 90's. Remember a company called Real networks? They was one of the pioneers in streaming. Might been before your time. Steve Perlman worked at Apple and developed Quicktime in the 90's. Here is the bio of Steve Perlman.

Steve Perlman, OnLive founder, president & CEO, is an entrepreneur and inventor devoted to pioneering Internet, entertainment, multimedia, consumer electronics and communications technologies and services. Best known for the development of QuickTime®, WebTV® and Mova® Contour™ facial capture technologies, he has over 30 years of technology development experience, over 20 years of start-up experience and a track record of bringing media-rich products and services quickly to market. In addition to having founded and operated multiple startup companies, Steve has been a Microsoft division president and a principal scientist at Apple Computer.

Steve’s technology work is built into all iPhones, video iPods, Macs and most PCs, and has been deployed by DirecTV, Dish, Comcast, Time Warner, Charter and Adelphia cable TV and satellite TV networks. Consumer products incorporating Steve’s work have also been retailed by Sony, Philips, RCA, Panasonic, Mitsubishi, Samsung, Fujitsu, Motorola, Scientific Atlanta, Sega and Nintendo.




http://onlivefans.com/news/bandwidth...-perlman/1428/



The main reason for the caps, is because that ISP network can't handle the traffic. If I was capped, then I just switch ISP's or go to a commercial provider. Motorola and Cisco have been doing presentations with the cable companies to increase the bandwidth of DOCSIS 3.0. There is a presentation that Cisco gave to the cable companies to increase their network bandwidth to 1 Gb/sec. Alcatel-Lucent is building fiber networks for communities. I like to have this one though, http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/n...s-sonicnet.ars Verizon is not doing anymore fiber installations. AT&T is only commited to doing fiber to the premises in new construction. Not sure on the Canadian companies, but going to a cap is not a solution. H.265 is another solution, that will lower the bandwidth.

The ISP can't see the data being transferred, because you are logged into a secure encrypted 256 bit vpn tunnel on another network with another ip address. No proxy server either. All, the isp can see is your connection is online. Commercial banks use the same technique. You will need to do some network research on your posts! I had a friend that tested it on his capped connection, and he didn't get turned off. There is barely an explanation in your replies just plain BS! Although, to attack someone in the forums and discredit them without an explanation. Reminds me of a troll! Anyway, you have been ignored! The post was intended for Peter (Ex_Brit), but it is his decision to try the service.

Oh, I don't like going to the cloud for movies. I prefer to have my own collection, but the media companies are going in this direction. I am sure there will be BD movies, but would you have a changer if you could pick from the cloud and receive the same quality as BD?



Here is the link to the Cloud server that allows 3D movies, HD video and audio, 2K, 4K, 8K/IMAX files and CGI elements.
http://www.storagereview.com/nirvani...nal_geographic

Quotes from the article you posted, some from Perlman himself:

"There are certain very very heavy users, but most of the reason people run into bandwidth caps, is not because of OnLive. It's usually because of more passive activities like television viewing or Netflix and things like that."

"Every user that has reported that he/she has gone over their monthly bandwidth caps, from use of OnLive has NOT lost their service."

"The other thing you got to realize, is that the bandwidth requirements for OnLive are actually going down because as our technology improves, the algorithm improves, our bandwidth requirements for a given resolution TV is less. ISP bandwidth keeps going up, and bandwidth caps will keep going up. In the long term, it's not going to be something anyone even thinks about."

In other words, OnLive users do occasionally hit bandwidth caps. It is more common to hit those caps when watching streaming TV or movies. And isn't that exactly what we were talking about? In the long run they may not be an issue, but currently they are. The article also implies that OnLive will be reducing their needs for bandwidth by "improving" their algorithms, which is going to come about by increasing the compression of the data. This almost certainly will lead to a reduction in the quality of the image, something which home theater users will see before anyone else.


Not everyone lives in an area where this is possible.



I am quite familiar with encryption and tunneling, but thanks for the explanation. The ISP can't see what is being transferred, but they can still see that it is being transferred. They can still count it as utilization and they can still cap it. Some ISPs limit bandwidth only on certain services and an encrypted tunnel will get around that. But some ISPs cap total utilization, and no amount of encryption will get around that. So when you post things like "you won't have the cap as long as you are logged into that other network" you are misleading the other people who read this thread and doing them a disservice.


I did provide an explanation, you just don't want to believe it. I like how you just "ignore" anyone who disagrees with you.

I don't really care what you think about my posts. My primary purpose is to make sure others don't believe your incorrect information.


My preference is to own my bits. I could play them via a changer or by using a player on a computer. But I want the bits on a disk I own located in my house. I don't want them living in the cloud with access controlled by a corporation.

I think the main reason for caps is profit. Technology provides ISP's with ample ways of solving bottlenecks.

Many of us, especially outside the USA, are stuck with the only carrier offering this sort of service in our areas. The alternative is expensive. In my case I could well upgrade my service to a higher, perhaps commercial grade but as I am on a fixed pension, it's out of the question.

I agree with the previous poster, I prefer to have my media in my home, not at the mercy of some corporation.

No, they can't handle the bandwidth of the power users. I knew some Canadians that were filling up their hard drives, because of having unlimited service. This was around 2003 or so.


Well, I know there is a few in Toronto. I have a friend that used to live there, but I could ask her. In the US, though there has been communities that have created a co-op and they are having fiber built. This way they have eliminated the middleman. Alcatel-Lucent is building fiber networks for about 100 communities. I know there is lot Canadians that hate the caps.


Yes, I do agree with your post. I just see that in the future, we order it online. Although, I do like the business model for Apple's iMatch service, but again I like the quality. So, I have a huge audio collection that sounds better in an uncompressed format.

I just do a re-load of the title to get the menu to choose from.

The problem is the correct one is not in the list it brings up from a re-load.

I have some where only the title is in another language or it shows it's a double movie package when it's now.

I had to re-load all my titles & there'a a lot of them that have wrong artwork or title info.

It would take me a really long time to get Gracenote to do anything & having that many titles wrong would take forever if they would do anything about the title.

I don't have the time or patience to wait on them to try to correct that many titles.

I have some titles like "Bridesmaids" & maybe 5 or 6 more that say no information exists in the database. They've been released about 6 months ago.

It's like Gracenote or Sony doesn't care anymore since Sony doesn't make them anymore. It's ridiculous.

Sony should have allowed 3rd party software on the CX-960. I would buy a 7000ES if they weren't so slow. Maybe a few years ago the speed would be normal but the Sony players that are available now are super quick. Cheaply made but quick.

They should just release a new speedy changer that allows 3rd party software, loads as fast as their new Blu-ray players & has streaming options.

I know I'd buy one the day they come out the way mine is now makes for a very unpleasant experience.

I agree, it's kind of sad..!

Well, this article explains that cap...
http://www.themarknews.com/articles/...y-our-cable-tv

Sony currently has no plans to make any more changers. I think the reason is that new 4K players will require a new type of laser. There is only a few ways that Sony can increase the size of the storage. One is adding more layers to the Bluray format or H.265 is another option or create a new laser. The bluray changers were backwards compatible with the older formats and they were always dual layer discs. Some press articles have suggested that BDXL was the new format, but adding layers also creates the manufacturing issues and it is not backwards compatible

Anyway I recently read an article about PS4 or Orbis. The latest rumour is that the PS4 won't be backwards compatible. Although, the PS4 is going to support 4k video.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/multime...es_Report.html
Here is an article that Sony might be using a new type of laser. http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Pr...20E/index.html
Originally, I thought this might be for optical archive or the new 8K format.

Interesting, thanks. If one is to believe Shaw of course. Trouble is I'm on Rogers and my area that's the only game in town, Bell Fibe not getting near here yet and Shaw restricted to the 'burbs.

Yes, my friend used to be on Shaw cable, but she relocated to NYC. Although, her parents are on Rogers. I think she told me that Rogers was the only one available. Just looked and even Bell has a cap too. I can see Netflix or some other streaming service filing a lawsuit in Canada, because of the caps. I don't know your laws though..

Unfortunately the companies here, as they most likely do everywhere else, take advantage of lax legislation and get away with murder, almost.

I have ripped Bad Boys and the ripped "backup" copy plays fine on 70000