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post #2911 of 3313
I emailed Sony again about the firmware again:

When is Sony going to update the firmware for the BDP-CX960 Bluray changer? The last time was 5/2011. I have 2 blurays (Bad Boys (1983) & Fast Times At Ridgemont High) that will not play in my changer. They work fine in my PlayStation 3. I have emailed you in the past about this and nothing has been done. The firmware needs to be updated.

Response:
Thank you for contacting Sony Support.

I understand your concern regarding the non-availability of the Firmware update for the Blu-ray Disc Changer. Unfortunately, there is no Firmware update available at this point of time. Also, as mentioned in the previous response, your request for the Firmware update has been forwarded to our sustaining Engineering team. Once the Firmware update is available, it will be reflected in our Esupport website. Please bookmark the update link provided in the previous response and check periodically, if any update is released.

Thank you for understanding.
post #2912 of 3313
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Originally Posted by bmerk2010 View Post

I emailed Sony again about the firmware again:

When is Sony going to update the firmware for the BDP-CX960 Bluray changer? The last time was 5/2011. I have 2 blurays (Bad Boys (1983) & Fast Times At Ridgemont High) that will not play in my changer. They work fine in my PlayStation 3. I have emailed you in the past about this and nothing has been done. The firmware needs to be updated.

Response:
Thank you for contacting Sony Support.

I understand your concern regarding the non-availability of the Firmware update for the Blu-ray Disc Changer. Unfortunately, there is no Firmware update available at this point of time. Also, as mentioned in the previous response, your request for the Firmware update has been forwarded to our sustaining Engineering team. Once the Firmware update is available, it will be reflected in our Esupport website. Please bookmark the update link provided in the previous response and check periodically, if any update is released.

Thank you for understanding.

In other words, pound sand.
post #2913 of 3313
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Originally Posted by Nitro67 View Post

Hmmm, that is odd. I do have Bad Boys 1983 and it works fine on my Sony BDP-7000ES changer. The firmware remains the same in the changer as yours. Although, the Control4 has updated driver access via RS-232 for controlling the changer. So I contact custom support and tell them that changer needs to be replaced or perhaps they can upgrade you to Sony BDP-7000ES changer.


My 960 is no longer under warranty. The Bad Boys bluray starts to load(it shows the Lions Gate logo) but the screen eventually goes black. It doesn't respond to any of my remote commands and never goes to the menu.
The Fast Times at Ridgemont High bluray loads the online previews and afterwards, the the Universal loading icon appears and then it goes black. No response from remote. These are the only 2 Blurays of mine that do that.
post #2914 of 3313
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Originally Posted by bmerk2010 View Post

My 960 is no longer under warranty. The Bad Boys bluray starts to load(it shows the Lions Gate logo) but the screen eventually goes black. It doesn't respond to any of my remote commands and never goes to the menu.
The Fast Times at Ridgemont High bluray loads the online previews and afterwards, the the Universal loading icon appears and then it goes black. No response from remote. These are the only 2 Blurays of mine that do that.

Have you tried moving them to a different slot? Maybe it is not the discs? As another test you could put another BD that is working into those slots and see if they play.
post #2915 of 3313
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Originally Posted by bmerk2010 View Post

My 960 is no longer under warranty. The Bad Boys bluray starts to load(it shows the Lions Gate logo) but the screen eventually goes black. It doesn't respond to any of my remote commands and never goes to the menu.
The Fast Times at Ridgemont High bluray loads the online previews and afterwards, the the Universal loading icon appears and then it goes black. No response from remote. These are the only 2 Blurays of mine that do that.

Try turning off the Internet access setting. I've had some issues in the past when the discs try to automatically download content. Just a thought.
post #2916 of 3313
I've already tried the things mentioned. I contacted Sony support and they will call me in 48 hours. The guy that I spoke to believes it's a digital rights management(DRM) issue. Basically, sometimes studios issue different security, copyright protections with new bluray releases. Sometimes these can be fixed with firmware updates but sometimes they can't. When they can't, it can only be a hardware fix which means that the only solution is buying a new bluray player. I asked him it there are any plans for Sony to make a new bluray megachanger and he said there are no plans. I'll let you guys know what he says when he calls me back.
post #2917 of 3313
Thanks for checking. Pity Sony stopped making them but not surprising considering the world economy, this sort of thing is the last thing people buy when crises happen and I guess it wasn't worth their while.
Who knows what they'll do down the road though?
One thing they could do and that is be a bit more snappy with firmware updates. That shouldn't be too hard for them to do.
post #2918 of 3313
Why does that not surprise me? ;-)
post #2919 of 3313
I recently discovered that The Incredible Hulk Blu Ray will not load and play in my 960, it used to load and play fine.
post #2920 of 3313
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Originally Posted by Natrix1973 View Post

I recently discovered that The Incredible Hulk Blu Ray will not load and play in my 960, it used to load and play fine.

For those of you that have discs that used to play & don't play now you can try to do a factory reset & see if that helps.

I had the same problem with "A Bug's Life" & did a factory reset & it played fine.

I've pretty much quit using my changer. The Gracenote downloads were getting so bad about 1/3 of my mine had wrong cover art or sometimes cover arts in different languages.

It was ridiculous. I used to email Gracenote about which ones were wrong & it would take them forever to correct them.

Now I have so many of them that are wrong it would be useless. I have a CX-960. Plus it takes so long for a disc to load.

If Sony would build a new faster changer with streaming options & I can use mymovies software for cover art then I would be one tomorrow.
post #2921 of 3313
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Originally Posted by marine92104 View Post

For those of you that have discs that used to play & don't play now you can try to do a factory reset & see if that helps.

I had the same problem with "A Bug's Life" & did a factory reset & it played fine.

I've pretty much quit using my changer. The Gracenote downloads were getting so bad about 1/3 of my mine had wrong cover art or sometimes cover arts in different languages.

It was ridiculous. I used to email Gracenote about which ones were wrong & it would take them forever to correct them.

Now I have so many of them that are wrong it would be useless. I have a CX-960. Plus it takes so long for a disc to load.

If Sony would build a new faster changer with streaming options & I can use mymovies software for cover art then I would be one tomorrow.

I tried the factory reset and it worked for Fast Times At Ridgemont High. It didn't work for Bad Boys(1983) though. So Bad Boys is the only one that doesn't work in my 960.
post #2922 of 3313
Just a quick note to all regarding what I discovered when Gracenote has problems finding the appropriate information or finds incorrect information. It often works better if you let it do its thing then eject the disc and click the Disc Load button on the player itself. This time Gracenote will often offer a choice from a menu. It doesn't always work that way I agree and certainly wont for home-made discs, but is useful to know.
post #2923 of 3313
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Originally Posted by Nitro67 View Post

I disagree with this statement. Depends on your setup, but if you are using a custom solution (Cinemar, Control4, MyMovies, etc) that works via RS-232 then you can edit the meta tag information. Although, MyMovies has it's own database, but you still can edit the information.

I wasn't talking about when one is using some intermediary software or hardware which really should be discussed in it's own thread as it's taking attention away from discussion of the unit itself. I meant using the unit on its own.

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Originally Posted by Nitro67 View Post

Sony plans are not to build any new changers. Their plans is to offer streaming via cloud services. Sony is pushing a new video codec called H.265. The speed of loading a movie is about 10 secs or so. The negative thing on BD movie is you have to go through all these previews. Which can be 10 minutes or more. Although, one company that develops backup software has developed a new solution called SpeedMenu. Here is the features of the new added feature of the software. This was released in February with their software.

Speedmenu highlights at a glance:
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- Speedy access to the movie
- Much shorter load times
- Compatibility with older players
- Prevents BD-live from calling home
- Playback of 3D discs on 2D players
- Auto-resume of BD-Java discs

Personally, I always hated ripped menu's. Although, I am interested playback of 3D discs on 2D players. Perhaps, I should buy a 3D TV.

The Cloud...sigh...let's hope ISP's start being a little more generous with their caps.

Besides there are many old fogeys like myself that prefer to have the stuff right at hand for whenever one wants to view it without having to access the Internet.
post #2924 of 3313
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Originally Posted by Ex_Brit View Post

Besides there are many old fogeys like myself that prefer to have the stuff right at hand for whenever one wants to view it without having to access the Internet.

What I've seen from existing streaming services still isn't as good as I can get from a Bluray. Maybe at some point in the future it will be a viable alternative to a physical disc, but for people (like myself) who have home theaters with large screens in light controlled environments the on-line technology isn't quite there yet. And by the time it catches up we will all be drooling over 4K.

Plus, with online services there is no guarantee that the title will always be there for you when you want to see it. This is certainly true for rentals, and is even true for purchases (such as with Amazon). They can still pull the title even after you have purchased it. As I recall this happened with some e-book titles not too long ago.
post #2925 of 3313
I have to believe that the MPAA is behind much of this. Having complete control of content is their holy grail.
post #2926 of 3313
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Originally Posted by Nitro67 View Post

Umm, there is a feature in the setup of the Sony BDP-7000ES for the RS-232 called custom installer. The Sony BDP-7000ES was originally designed for custom installers, since there is huge industry based on it. So, it is part of this thread.





Well, one service called OnLive Desktop, http://desktop.onlive.com/
what is unique about this service is that the data is streamed to me. When it is streamed to you, then you receive less bandwidth. http://desktop.onlive.com/about (Warner Brothers is a partner, hmmm)
So, I use the service's computer and their internet connect. I still have to a connection, but the Data is streamed very fast via a Gigabit connection. So, here is the speed that I am getting via Ipad now.





You have cable, DSL, or fiber? That is now the the internet. The cloud is a huge datacenter that houses the content. That is the plans is stream movies over your connection. I can receive movies on my Ipad or Iphone now.

OK I'll concede the subjects being discussed are all intertwined, however I doubt the mega changer was designed with all this networking in mind, more likely simply to be a convenient way for an individual to access a fairly large movie collection. You guys are fortunate to be able to enhance that ability because of 3rd party software and hardware.

My cable is hi-speed 28 Mbps/down and 1Mbps up with a monthly cap of 120gb which isn't that big when downloading HD content whether or not it's compressed.

That feeds 6 operating systems, 2 iPads and 1 iPhone plus Oppo, the TV and this player.
post #2927 of 3313
I shall see how things go and if I need it then I'll give it a whirl. Thanks for the info.
post #2928 of 3313
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Originally Posted by Nitro67 View Post

(marine92104) asked the question about "If Sony would build a new faster changer with streaming options" Well, you already have Apple Itunes for Music and Movies.

iTunes is not a streaming service (except for "Radio"). It is a download service.

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The cloud technology is unique, because you won't be downloading a huge file. The cap issue shouldn't be an issue. Actually, the ISP shouldn't be able to see what you download, while on the cloud. You are logging into another service, so that content remains on the cloud.

These last statements make it perfectly clear that you don't know what you are talking about.

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I don't have the cap limit, but if you sign up with secure vpn service, then your ISP can't see what you download. http://www.goldenfrog.com/vyprvpn
So, you won't have the cap as long as you are logged into that other network.

And this confirms it.

The cap is imposed by certain ISPs on total amount of data downloaded per month, regardless of what it is. The ISP doesn't need to see what it is, so encrypted or otherwise it is capped. And being "logged in" to another service doesn't make a difference: all the data still transits your ISP to get to you.
post #2929 of 3313
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Originally Posted by wnl View Post

iTunes is not a streaming service (except for "Radio"). It is a download service.

Really? I guess the Huffington post is wrong too...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1...n_1092884.html
When Itunes Match was introduced in October, they introduce the iCloud. Apple TV uses streaming in their new movies, but the guy that created the technology was Steve Perlman. Although, streaming began in the early 90's. Remember a company called Real networks? They was one of the pioneers in streaming. Might been before your time. Steve Perlman worked at Apple and developed Quicktime in the 90's. Here is the bio of Steve Perlman.

Steve Perlman, OnLive founder, president & CEO, is an entrepreneur and inventor devoted to pioneering Internet, entertainment, multimedia, consumer electronics and communications technologies and services. Best known for the development of QuickTime®, WebTV® and Mova® Contour™ facial capture technologies, he has over 30 years of technology development experience, over 20 years of start-up experience and a track record of bringing media-rich products and services quickly to market. In addition to having founded and operated multiple startup companies, Steve has been a Microsoft division president and a principal scientist at Apple Computer.

Steve’s technology work is built into all iPhones, video iPods, Macs and most PCs, and has been deployed by DirecTV, Dish, Comcast, Time Warner, Charter and Adelphia cable TV and satellite TV networks. Consumer products incorporating Steve’s work have also been retailed by Sony, Philips, RCA, Panasonic, Mitsubishi, Samsung, Fujitsu, Motorola, Scientific Atlanta, Sega and Nintendo.



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Originally Posted by wnl View Post

These last statements make it perfectly clear that you don't know what you are talking about.

http://onlivefans.com/news/bandwidth...-perlman/1428/


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Originally Posted by wnl View Post

The cap is imposed by certain ISPs on total amount of data downloaded per month, regardless of what it is. The ISP doesn't need to see what it is, so encrypted or otherwise it is capped. And being "logged in" to another service doesn't make a difference: all the data still transits your ISP to get to you.

The main reason for the caps, is because that ISP network can't handle the traffic. If I was capped, then I just switch ISP's or go to a commercial provider. Motorola and Cisco have been doing presentations with the cable companies to increase the bandwidth of DOCSIS 3.0. There is a presentation that Cisco gave to the cable companies to increase their network bandwidth to 1 Gb/sec. Alcatel-Lucent is building fiber networks for communities. I like to have this one though, http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/n...s-sonicnet.ars Verizon is not doing anymore fiber installations. AT&T is only commited to doing fiber to the premises in new construction. Not sure on the Canadian companies, but going to a cap is not a solution. H.265 is another solution, that will lower the bandwidth.

The ISP can't see the data being transferred, because you are logged into a secure encrypted 256 bit vpn tunnel on another network with another ip address. No proxy server either. All, the isp can see is your connection is online. Commercial banks use the same technique. You will need to do some network research on your posts! I had a friend that tested it on his capped connection, and he didn't get turned off. There is barely an explanation in your replies just plain BS! Although, to attack someone in the forums and discredit them without an explanation. Reminds me of a troll! Anyway, you have been ignored! The post was intended for Peter (Ex_Brit), but it is his decision to try the service.

Oh, I don't like going to the cloud for movies. I prefer to have my own collection, but the media companies are going in this direction. I am sure there will be BD movies, but would you have a changer if you could pick from the cloud and receive the same quality as BD?



Here is the link to the Cloud server that allows 3D movies, HD video and audio, 2K, 4K, 8K/IMAX files and CGI elements.
http://www.storagereview.com/nirvani...nal_geographic
post #2930 of 3313
Quote:

Quotes from the article you posted, some from Perlman himself:

"There are certain very very heavy users, but most of the reason people run into bandwidth caps, is not because of OnLive. It's usually because of more passive activities like television viewing or Netflix and things like that."

"Every user that has reported that he/she has gone over their monthly bandwidth caps, from use of OnLive has NOT lost their service."

"The other thing you got to realize, is that the bandwidth requirements for OnLive are actually going down because as our technology improves, the algorithm improves, our bandwidth requirements for a given resolution TV is less. ISP bandwidth keeps going up, and bandwidth caps will keep going up. In the long term, it's not going to be something anyone even thinks about."

In other words, OnLive users do occasionally hit bandwidth caps. It is more common to hit those caps when watching streaming TV or movies. And isn't that exactly what we were talking about? In the long run they may not be an issue, but currently they are. The article also implies that OnLive will be reducing their needs for bandwidth by "improving" their algorithms, which is going to come about by increasing the compression of the data. This almost certainly will lead to a reduction in the quality of the image, something which home theater users will see before anyone else.

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The main reason for the caps, is because that ISP network can't handle the traffic. If I was capped, then I just switch ISP's or go to a commercial provider.

Not everyone lives in an area where this is possible.


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The ISP can't see the data being transferred, because you are logged into a secure encrypted 256 bit vpn tunnel on another network with another ip address. No proxy server either. All, the isp can see is your connection is online. Commercial banks use the same technique.

I am quite familiar with encryption and tunneling, but thanks for the explanation. The ISP can't see what is being transferred, but they can still see that it is being transferred. They can still count it as utilization and they can still cap it. Some ISPs limit bandwidth only on certain services and an encrypted tunnel will get around that. But some ISPs cap total utilization, and no amount of encryption will get around that. So when you post things like "you won't have the cap as long as you are logged into that other network" you are misleading the other people who read this thread and doing them a disservice.

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Although, to attack someone in the forums and discredit them without an explanation. Reminds me of a troll! Anyway, you have been ignored! The post was intended for Peter (Ex_Brit), but it is his decision to try the service.

I did provide an explanation, you just don't want to believe it. I like how you just "ignore" anyone who disagrees with you.

I don't really care what you think about my posts. My primary purpose is to make sure others don't believe your incorrect information.

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would you have a changer if you could pick from the cloud and receive the same quality as BD?

My preference is to own my bits. I could play them via a changer or by using a player on a computer. But I want the bits on a disk I own located in my house. I don't want them living in the cloud with access controlled by a corporation.
post #2931 of 3313
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The main reason for the caps, is because that ISP network can't handle the traffic. If I was capped, then I just switch ISP's or go to a commercial provider.

I think the main reason for caps is profit. Technology provides ISP's with ample ways of solving bottlenecks.

Many of us, especially outside the USA, are stuck with the only carrier offering this sort of service in our areas. The alternative is expensive. In my case I could well upgrade my service to a higher, perhaps commercial grade but as I am on a fixed pension, it's out of the question.

I agree with the previous poster, I prefer to have my media in my home, not at the mercy of some corporation.
post #2932 of 3313
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Originally Posted by Ex_Brit View Post

I think the main reason for caps is profit. Technology provides ISP's with ample ways of solving bottlenecks.

No, they can't handle the bandwidth of the power users. I knew some Canadians that were filling up their hard drives, because of having unlimited service. This was around 2003 or so.

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Originally Posted by Ex_Brit View Post

Many of us, especially outside the USA, are stuck with the only carrier offering this sort of service in our areas. The alternative is expensive. In my case I could well upgrade my service to a higher, perhaps commercial grade but as I am on a fixed pension, it's out of the question.

Well, I know there is a few in Toronto. I have a friend that used to live there, but I could ask her. In the US, though there has been communities that have created a co-op and they are having fiber built. This way they have eliminated the middleman. Alcatel-Lucent is building fiber networks for about 100 communities. I know there is lot Canadians that hate the caps.

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Originally Posted by Ex_Brit View Post

I agree with the previous poster, I prefer to have my media in my home, not at the mercy of some corporation.

Yes, I do agree with your post. I just see that in the future, we order it online. Although, I do like the business model for Apple's iMatch service, but again I like the quality. So, I have a huge audio collection that sounds better in an uncompressed format.
post #2933 of 3313
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Originally Posted by Ex_Brit View Post

Just a quick note to all regarding what I discovered when Gracenote has problems finding the appropriate information or finds incorrect information. It often works better if you let it do its thing then eject the disc and click the Disc Load button on the player itself. This time Gracenote will often offer a choice from a menu. It doesn't always work that way I agree and certainly wont for home-made DVD's and Blu-ray discs, but is useful to know.

I just do a re-load of the title to get the menu to choose from.

The problem is the correct one is not in the list it brings up from a re-load.

I have some where only the title is in another language or it shows it's a double movie package when it's now.

I had to re-load all my titles & there'a a lot of them that have wrong artwork or title info.

It would take me a really long time to get Gracenote to do anything & having that many titles wrong would take forever if they would do anything about the title.

I don't have the time or patience to wait on them to try to correct that many titles.

I have some titles like "Bridesmaids" & maybe 5 or 6 more that say no information exists in the database. They've been released about 6 months ago.

It's like Gracenote or Sony doesn't care anymore since Sony doesn't make them anymore. It's ridiculous.

Sony should have allowed 3rd party software on the CX-960. I would buy a 7000ES if they weren't so slow. Maybe a few years ago the speed would be normal but the Sony players that are available now are super quick. Cheaply made but quick.

They should just release a new speedy changer that allows 3rd party software, loads as fast as their new Blu-ray players & has streaming options.

I know I'd buy one the day they come out the way mine is now makes for a very unpleasant experience.
post #2934 of 3313
I agree, it's kind of sad..!
post #2935 of 3313
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Originally Posted by Ex_Brit View Post

I think the main reason for caps is profit. Technology provides ISP's with ample ways of solving bottlenecks.

Well, this article explains that cap...
http://www.themarknews.com/articles/...y-our-cable-tv
post #2936 of 3313
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Originally Posted by marine92104 View Post

They should just release a new speedy changer that allows 3rd party software, loads as fast as their new Blu-ray players & has streaming options.

I know I'd buy one the day they come out the way mine is now makes for a very unpleasant experience.

Sony currently has no plans to make any more changers. I think the reason is that new 4K players will require a new type of laser. There is only a few ways that Sony can increase the size of the storage. One is adding more layers to the Bluray format or H.265 is another option or create a new laser. The bluray changers were backwards compatible with the older formats and they were always dual layer discs. Some press articles have suggested that BDXL was the new format, but adding layers also creates the manufacturing issues and it is not backwards compatible

Anyway I recently read an article about PS4 or Orbis. The latest rumour is that the PS4 won't be backwards compatible. Although, the PS4 is going to support 4k video.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/multime...es_Report.html
Here is an article that Sony might be using a new type of laser. http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Pr...20E/index.html
Originally, I thought this might be for optical archive or the new 8K format.
post #2937 of 3313
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Originally Posted by Nitro67 View Post

Well, this article explains that cap...
http://www.themarknews.com/articles/...y-our-cable-tv

Interesting, thanks. If one is to believe Shaw of course. Trouble is I'm on Rogers and my area that's the only game in town, Bell Fibe not getting near here yet and Shaw restricted to the 'burbs.
post #2938 of 3313
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Originally Posted by Ex_Brit View Post

Interesting, thanks. If one is to believe Shaw of course. Trouble is I'm on Rogers and my area that's the only game in town, Bell Fibe not getting near here yet and Shaw restricted to the 'burbs.

Yes, my friend used to be on Shaw cable, but she relocated to NYC. Although, her parents are on Rogers. I think she told me that Rogers was the only one available. Just looked and even Bell has a cap too. I can see Netflix or some other streaming service filing a lawsuit in Canada, because of the caps. I don't know your laws though..
post #2939 of 3313
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Originally Posted by Nitro67 View Post

Yes, my friend used to be on Shaw cable, but she relocated to NYC. Although, her parents are on Rogers. I think she told me that Rogers was the only one available. Just looked and even Bell has a cap too. I can see Netflix or some other streaming service filing a lawsuit in Canada, because of the caps. I don't know your laws though..

Unfortunately the companies here, as they most likely do everywhere else, take advantage of lax legislation and get away with murder, almost.
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Originally Posted by bmerk2010 View Post

I tried the factory reset and it worked for Fast Times At Ridgemont High. It didn't work for Bad Boys(1983) though. So Bad Boys is the only one that doesn't work in my 960.

I have ripped Bad Boys and the ripped "backup" copy plays fine on 70000
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