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post #31 of 273
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Originally Posted by craigsub View Post

The price increase will be relatively minor ... likely $249 per pair in SB and $269 in Rosewood. The new packaging is not inexpensive , and keep in mind, this is still including shipping.

We could have switched to vinyl, or done other things, to save $$$. In the end, keeping the same quality was more important to us than keeping the $229 price.

I hope this comes across as it is meant ... even at $269 delivered for Rosewood, the WAF-1's are an outstanding value.

And we still have almost 4 months at the $229 price, too.

So will there still be a 1st run in satin black at the $229 price before things go up?
post #32 of 273
Yes, there will be Satin Black at $229 per pair.
post #33 of 273
Any centers that match up well with these speakers?
post #34 of 273
Buy one and use it as the center.
post #35 of 273
If you ever decide to "tweak" the rosenut, I'd go for a little less rose (red) and a little more nut (brown).
post #36 of 273
The Rosewood finish (not rosenut) is not as bright in person as pics would suggest.

However, we are getting Satin Black for the purpose of offering something which blends with more decor options. A Satin Black finish in a 10.625H x 7W x 10D (inches) box in SB will be a very discreet speaker for most rooms.

In regards to a matching center channel, the best sonics available are having identical speakers all around.

By keeping the WAF-1's under 11 inches tall, most systems will be able to handle using one as the center.

We could easily come out with an "WTW" center channel with a low profile which "looks" like what everyone else does.

This would sound worse, in every case, than our existing use of the same speaker.

Perhaps we will have to do an MTM style center (this means 2 of the woofers with a tweeter between) for marketing purposes.

I hope we don't because all we would be doing is charging the consumer more for less performance.
post #37 of 273
+1 on using an identical speaker for a center channel.

Well, you've got the $229 price for a few more months, so I'll start saving in order to pick up two more pairs. I want to hear them in a HT environment, as I bet they are really great!
post #38 of 273
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Originally Posted by PD50U View Post

If you ever decide to "tweak" the rosenut, I'd go for a little less rose (red) and a little more nut (brown).

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Originally Posted by craigsub View Post

The Rosewood finish (not rosenut) is not as bright in person as pics would suggest.

Very true! If people turned off the flash in the cameras, the WAF-1s (and any other Rosewood speaker) would look much less red.
post #39 of 273
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Originally Posted by blackzarg View Post

Very true! If people turned off the flash in the cameras, the WAF-1s (and any other Rosewood speaker) would look much less red.

Many people know what the av123 rosewood looks like.
Here is a comparison.
Link


Mike
post #40 of 273
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

+1 on using an identical speaker for a center channel.

Well, you've got the $229 price for a few more months, so I'll start saving in order to pick up two more pairs. I want to hear them in a HT environment, as I bet they are really great!

Too tall. Hence why I asked...
post #41 of 273
rpkelly, taking a WAF-1 and using it horizontally is still less of a compromise than an MTM center channel would be.
post #42 of 273
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Originally Posted by craigsub View Post

rpkelly, taking a WAF-1 and using it horizontally is still less of a compromise than an MTM center channel would be.

I agree completely. You will have all of the benefits of having identical voicing and none of the well documented compromises of an MTM arrangement. Remember rpkelly, midbass and bass waves are much longer and thus a lot more difficult to "localize" audibly compared to the much shorter waves of the higher frequency ranges.

By turning a single WAF-1 on it's side, you will be placing the tweeter right about where it would be in an MTM so that's the same.... and with the midbass driver being extremely hard to tell where it is exactly.... you still have the perfect voice matching with the R/L channel without any comb-filtering of the second driver. The only thing you don't have at first, is that warm fuzzy feeling of "seeing" an MTM dedicated center channel speaker.

But, once you hear the seamless sound stage of the same speaker used as a center, you may never go back to an MTM again. The only thing you really have to lose is a bit of your time. Don't you offer a 30 day in home trial Craig? If so, then I'd say go for it and try it out.
post #43 of 273
Well stated, John. Thanks.
post #44 of 273
I am anxious to hear more A/B comparisons from new WAF-1 owners with some other bookshelves (both in the same price class and more expensive bookshelves in the $500-1000msrp range)!

(alphaii, I'm looking at you! )


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By turning a single WAF-1 on it's side, you will be placing the tweeter right about where it would be in an MTM so that's the same.... and with the midbass driver being extremely hard to tell where it is exactly.... you still have the perfect voice matching with the R/L channel without any comb-filtering of the second driver.

Statements like this always make me wonder why horizontal center channels employ an MTM array and not just a 2-way tweeter/woofer? In other words, just like a bookshelf speaker turned 90-degrees.

The only "wrinkle" in a plan like you propose (using a matching bookshelf as center, but turned on its side) is if the tweeter dispersion is non-symmetrical in the horizontal and vertical planes. Some tweeters are "directional", designed for wide horizontal dispersion at the expense of vertical, and if you turn it on its side you will get terrible horizontal dispersion.
post #45 of 273
Quadman, well stated. When did you get so smart ?

rpkelly, drop me a pm is you would like to talk on the phone about the challenges of the center channel. It's about a 5 minute conversation, and hopefully it will clear up some issues for you.

If nothing else, you might find I am much less a dick to talk to than to read.
post #46 of 273
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

I am anxious to hear more A/B comparisons from new WAF-1 owners with some other bookshelves (both in the same price class and more expensive bookshelves in the $500-1000msrp range)!

(alphaii, I'm looking at you! )

Statements like this always make me wonder why horizontal center channels employ an MTM array and not just a 2-way tweeter/woofer? In other words, just like a bookshelf speaker turned 90-degrees.

The only "wrinkle" in a plan like you propose (using a matching bookshelf as center, but turned on its side) is if the tweeter dispersion is non-symmetrical in the horizontal and vertical planes. Some tweeters are "directional", designed for wide horizontal dispersion at the expense of vertical, and if you turn it on its side you will get terrible horizontal dispersion.

Check out post #2 here for comparisons.
Some are only specs but there are links at the bottom to mini-monitor comparisons with the TCA WAF-1.

The comparisons to date have been balanced -- eg no reference to a "giant killer" sub $300 speakers.

Mike
post #47 of 273
Thanks Mike -- I already saw that, I'm saying I want more!
post #48 of 273
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Thanks Mike -- I already saw that, I'm saying I want more!

Sorry for not catching that.
Me too.

I like TCA, but I am all for multiple critical evaluations.
In preparing that table of mini monitors I found some others that I would like to try (eg Usher).

A friend came in to my office today and noted my "stack" of mini-monitors.
It made him interested in upgrading from his laptop speakers.

Good stuff.

Mike

post #49 of 273
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

I am anxious to hear more A/B comparisons from new WAF-1 owners with some other bookshelves (both in the same price class and more expensive bookshelves in the $500-1000msrp range)!

so what's your "deal", batpig? I thought you were quite pleased with the combo of price, sound and looks of your current speakers (Energy bookshelves, I think). The grass is greener syndrome?
post #50 of 273
whatever, I'm married and happy and I still like to look at hot chicks. Am I not allowed to learn about other stuff just because I'm happy with what I've got?






(seriously though, I just like to learn about all the options out there because lots of people ask me for recommendations. Plus of course it's fun! I can't dream of affording a $3000 AVR like the new Denon 4310CI or the Onkyo 5007, yet I'm happy to participate in the threads and learn about what's out there!)
post #51 of 273
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Originally Posted by craigsub View Post

Quadman, well stated. When did you get so smart ?

rpkelly, drop me a pm is you would like to talk on the phone about the challenges of the center channel. It's about a 5 minute conversation, and hopefully it will clear up some issues for you.

If nothing else, you might find I am much less a dick to talk to than to read.

Speaking from experience this is one of Craig's most truest statements.
post #52 of 273
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

The only "wrinkle" in a plan like you propose (using a matching bookshelf as center, but turned on its side) is if the tweeter dispersion is non-symmetrical in the horizontal and vertical planes. Some tweeters are "directional", designed for wide horizontal dispersion at the expense of vertical, and if you turn it on its side you will get terrible horizontal dispersion.

Well Bp.... if it were a ribbon or horn loaded tweeter with a definite vertical and horizontal axis or possibly something with some specifically shaped wave-guide type of arrangement, I would agree with you completely. But, a normal round tweeter will have less of an issue with this I would think. Especially for those seated with their ears in or very near the horizontal plain the tweeter is in. Now, for those NBA guys trying to stand and watch the movie way off to one side well.... all bets are off.
post #53 of 273
For marketing, you need a new picture of the speakers including a sexy W--showing off a deep V.

post #54 of 273
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Originally Posted by MLKstudios View Post

For marketing, you need a new picture of the speakers including a sexy W--showing off a deep V.


And by all means.... make certain that "V" is aligned both horizontally AND vertically.
post #55 of 273
^ LOL - you guys crack me up.
post #56 of 273
Good morning guys ... When we first got the WAF-1's configured in our 3700 cubic foot theater, there have been a lot of comparisons done between the WAF-1 as a center channel and a highly regarded MTM center channel which sells for more than 6 WAF-1's in our current package.

The consenses is no contest for overall dialogue clarity, especially off axis. The WAF-1's (and other two way bookshelf speakers) are much more articulate.

An area in which The WAF-1's are really good is one can sit outside the side speakers, and the dialogue is still nicely centered on the screen.

Since last night, I have been swapping between horizontal and vertical orientation of the WAF-1's. No one in the family could here any difference. I noticed a slight warming of the sound outside the main speakers, in terms of center channel performance.

Overall, and this will get more listening over the weekend, the WAF-1 horizontal as a center channel is equal to the vertical orientation if one is inside the plane of the main speakers, and slightly warmer outside the plane.

With the MTM centers we have here, outside the plane of the mains makes for some pretty "wobbly" responses, in terms of dialogue.

WAF-1, in a horizontal orientation, makes an excellent center channel.

When I am listening to these speakers, I still have a hard time thinking of them as "mine". That being said, I also understand why anyone reading this would possibly think "Great, but they are his company's".

Just like many of you, I am looking forward to more people getting these and comparing them to other speakers.
post #57 of 273
But, But, Craig... What about the WAF-1 promo image?

No one cares how they sound. We need to know they're "sexy", will get us laid and dazzle our friends.
post #58 of 273
MLKstudios ... I have a surefire method for you here.

Start with a $10,000 speaker budget. Take $599 and order a 6 channel WAF-1 set up.

Next, go to Vegas with the remaining $9401 and find your way to the top floor of the REO. Tell the girls at the bar you have $9401 in your pocket.

I am pretty sure you will find getting laid will be well within the remaining budget.

At Tweak City, no stone is left unturned in helping our customers in getting total satisfaction.
post #59 of 273
well, the problem is you forgot to budget for a subwoofer

and your name is "craigsub"!?
post #60 of 273
We handle this with the next $10,000.

It's all about maximizing one's entertainment dollars.
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