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post #1831 of 7090
New to networking so I did a look up on SAMBA and NFS.

I will assume that WD is using this SAMBA in there OS. This web site http://www.samba.org/samba/history/samba-3.3.9.html says a bug fix was made for Windows 7 share access. So maybe if WD update the binary then maybe some of the share problems on Windows 7 will go away.
post #1832 of 7090
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Originally Posted by chuckfredgoose View Post

I wish I could agree with those who say that the picture of both are equal, however I cannot.

If you have any suggestions on why I cannot get the same picture quality I would love to hear/see. I honestly cannot get the same quality as my first WDTV. I might be doing something wrong, so please feel free to help and send any advise my way. I adjusted everything! With only minor differences. I have calibrated the TV, which made little sense because the settings I had when using the first WDTV were perfect!

I am a Electronic Technician who has serviced and repaired electronics for 13+ years. I would consider myself the best judge when it comes to difference in picture quality and not the 50+ pages of other poster's opinions. I actually have had dreams (nightmares) fixing people's home audio/video equipment.

Sorry, I dont know if it was your intention, but I think that your statement above comes across as a bit arrogant if you are saying that you are "the best judge" and your judgement is better than all the other posters in this thread.

Just because you are/were an electronic technician I don't think that automatically makes your judgement or your eyes any better than anyone elses?

I think perceived PQ can be very subjective for each individual.
In my opinion the most that you can say is that:-
- for your particular set up;
- for your particular source video material;
- on your particular screen
the PQ in your opinion is better on your WDTV than your WDTV Live.

For my setup, my opinion is the reverse.....and just as valid?

Regards,

Lt. Dang
post #1833 of 7090
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Originally Posted by mickever View Post

Now that I have my very own WDTV Live, I can answer my own question When set to HDMI (at 1080i), the unit simultaneously provides a composite feed via the RCA jacks that can be fed to an SD distribution point.

Does anyone know if concurrent Toslink is also possible? I don't have an extra cable to try it, but I'd like to know if I can feed video to my TV via HDMI and feed the audio optically to my amplifier for decoding.

Many thanks!

Yes video & audio is output via the HDMI with Optical audio out at the same time.

Regards,

Lt. Dang
post #1834 of 7090
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Originally Posted by ahc11 View Post

Should I be using the search button on the remote (which appears to do nothing)?

Am I Missing something?

Thanks in advance.

Pp. 31-33 of the User Manual lists the step-by-step instructions for doing a search. Also from the manual:

Quote:
  • SEARCH (current folder): Locates a media file in the current folder. This function is only available when the Media Library setting is enabled. Does not search subfolder (p. 25).

  • Manual Search: You can manually search for a media file by navigating to the specific media section and browsing through the available file folders. This method is recommended if there are only a limited number of files to search through. Otherwise, it is better to enable the media library compilation and use the built-in Search function. Use the navigation buttons to move around a particular folder; press [Back] to move between folders (p. 30).
post #1835 of 7090
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Originally Posted by Lt. Dang View Post

Sorry, I dont know if it was your intention, but I think that your statement above comes across as a bit arrogant if you are saying that you are "the best judge" and your judgement is better than all the other posters in this thread.

Just because you are/were an electronic technician I don't think that automatically makes your judgement or your eyes any better than anyone elses?

I think perceived PQ can be very subjective for each individual.
In my opinion the most that you can say is that:-
- for your particular set up;
- for your particular source video material;
- on your particular screen
the PQ in your opinion is better on your WDTV than your WDTV Live.

For my setup, my opinion is the reverse.....and just as valid?

Regards,

Lt. Dang

-not trying to be arrogant! (take a look at the emotioncons)
-when saying I am the best judge, I am not saying my eyes are better than anyone else.
-I am not trying to start an argument.
-I am just showing creditability. And before you jump on me, I am not saying that everyone else isn't!

All I want to know is why everyone thinks that the WDTV2 has better picture. Once again, I am not trying to a smart alec.


Anyway, if you still want to help me, can you describe what differences you see when comparing each the WDTV1 and the WDTV2 and why exactly you think that the WDTV is 'better'!

Much appreciated.
post #1836 of 7090
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Originally Posted by chuckfredgoose View Post

-not trying to be arrogant! (take a look at the emotioncons)
-when saying I am the best judge, I am not saying my eyes are better than anyone else.
-I am not trying to start an argument.
-I am just showing creditability. And before you jump on me, I am not saying that everyone else isn't!

All I want to know is why everyone thinks that the WDTV2 has better picture. Once again, I am not trying to a smart alec.


Anyway, if you still want to help me, can you describe what differences you see when comparing each the WDTV1 and the WDTV2 and why exactly you think that the WDTV is 'better'!

Much appreciated.

Sorry the emoticons don't rationalise your words because you don't come across as joking.

So when you post "I would consider myself the best judge when it comes to difference in picture quality and not the 50+ pages of other poster's opinions." what are you saying exactly?

Don't tell me, that was a joke too eh?

Please don't confuse your opinion with fact. I don't think that will work in this forum.

Regards,

Lt. Dang
post #1837 of 7090
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Originally Posted by seymouru View Post

Pp. 31-33 of the User Manual lists the step-by-step instructions for doing a search. Also from the manual:

Thanks for the info.

what about the rest of my question(s) here:

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Originally Posted by ahc11 View Post

  • I connect to my network drive to play some music.
  • I select the song and/or album
  • While the song is playing, I go back out one or more levels to the menu to look for other songs or media to play next.
  • Is there a way to quickly jump back to the controls for the playing song (with album photo and details)? or do i have to navigate all the way back through the directory structure?
I guess it would be akin to what i do with my iPod, I go to "Now Playing"
post #1838 of 7090
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Originally Posted by ahc11 View Post

Thanks for the info.

what about the rest of my question(s) here:

You could press the Home key and that would at least take you straight back to the main menu and at least shorten your navigation path back to the Music Play screen?

Hope this is helpful.

Regards,

Lt. Dang
post #1839 of 7090
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Originally Posted by Lt. Dang View Post

You could press the Home key and that would at least take you straight back to the main menu and at least shorten your navigation path back to the Music Play screen?

Hope this is helpful.

Regards,

Lt. Dang

What about going back the other way? going back to what is playing?
There has to be a way to get to the play/pause/shuffle/etc controls.
post #1840 of 7090
Has anyone tried streaming from one wdtv live to another?

If I attach drives to one is it powerful enough to stream to the other wdtv live?

If this works I can eliminate the windows home server.
post #1841 of 7090
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Originally Posted by ahc11 View Post

Hi All,
I have been playing with the LIVE for a few days now and really like it.

Two things that are perplexing me a little:
1)
  • I connect to my network drive to play some music.
  • I select the song and/or album
  • While the song is playing, I go back out one or more levels to the menu to look for other songs or media to play next.
  • Is there a way to quickly jump back to the controls for the playing song (with album photo and details)? or do i have to navigate all the way back through the directory structure?
I guess it would be akin to what i do with my iPod, I go to "Now Playing"

"Now Playing" is right under "Pandora" while your music is playing, it disappears when the music stopped.
post #1842 of 7090
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Originally Posted by vatsay View Post

I too feel there is more red that makes skin color unnatural on the WDTV Live. Though I don't have the first WDTV anymore, I remember it had a more natural color. On this, the colors look a tad saturated overall. I've tried deep color (12 bits) and other color modes. I settled down with adjusting my TV color..

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Originally Posted by chuckfredgoose View Post



Does your tv do 1080p? Or 1080i/720p max?

My TV is a Samsung A650 that does Full HD 1080p and supports HDMI 1.3a with deep color. I also tried setting the WD TV Live to 12 bit color and the TV for deep color. Nothing changed.

We are now seeing more posts about this issue. As there are no DACs (Digital to Analog Conversion) involved when using HDMI, this could be due to processing and should be able to be corrected by firmware update, if confirmed as real.
post #1843 of 7090
My further observations WDTV vs WDTV2

* Using the WDTV2 controller with a WDTV1 works wonders for response time!!
The controller provided with the WDTV Live has been improved (I assume anyway) providing faster response time between the controller and GUI. I can now flip through menus and folders on the WDTV1 with real ease. Even pressing the buttons 'feels' different as though the controller was revamped.

* Dredd reported encountering an MP4 file problem in previous posts and I too have had this occur. Some MP4 files can skip ahead or FastForward on the WDTV1 yet can not on the WDTV2. This issue appears real and needs to be corrected in future firmware.

* Once you power down the unit the HDD sometimes idles on for longer periods than other times. Could just be my unit? Not that big a deal for me though either way.

*

Quote:
Originally Posted by chuckfredgoose View Post

Let us know when you are finished doing a thorough comparison.
I find that the WDTV is clearer! And that the WDTV2 is grainier!

As for the colour, do you notice that the REDS are too RED?

** I will be glad to continue to run tests with the units I have.
I plan on doing multiple tests with the unit on a Samsung 750. For now I have tried several tests with an Hitachi brand HD-TV set and cant confirm anything beyond my general first impressions. The Reds looked fine, but to be sure I will test the unit repeatedly on the Samsung set. I did not notice a grain issue yet after running several videos I have noticed a slight darkness in contrast shades between the two devices. What exactly is the difference is hard to tell so I plan to dig deeper.
post #1844 of 7090
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Originally Posted by bigjsouth View Post

My observations WDTV vs WDTV2

* Remote is improved and more stable. You can now navigate the menus with real ease. Clicking on any files bring them up without delay.

Which isn't due to a better remote but the faster chip used in the WDTV2.
post #1845 of 7090
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Originally Posted by techflaws View Post

Which isn't due to a better remote but the faster chip used in the WDTV2.

Have you tried the WDTV2 remote with the WDTV1? I get a faster response using a Live remote on the WDTV1 than I did using the old WD controller and the buttons do feel different. Im sure the chipset is what makes the Live work so well but the controllers may look identical but dont seem to operate the same.
Anyone else try this?
post #1846 of 7090
I have some 2 bay Rosewill external enclosures and after connecting them all seemed well until a day or so later when they could not find data on them. After connecting them to my computer it seemed to show in Admin Tools >Disk management they were unformatted drives. This scared my as I had a lot of unbacked up stuff there, some recent home movies I had not yet backed up, and while only the home movies would have been a real loss as everything else is replaceable, it still would have been a time loss. I switched the drives to another computer, this time internally, and the data was detected.

Now I have decided to abandon using the usb function and just go with all networked media. I did this with m Popcorn Hour A100 which was the first generation PCH device as it scans network drives for files much faster than it did local usb drives which seems odd to me but whatever. I am using an old laptop for the server as I really can't stand the bulk and cables associated with desktop computers anymore.

I guess the point of this post is just to vent a little frustration at WD for not implementing and adequate product as they should have known many users would want to hook up multidisk drive enclosures or usb hubs. Especially with BR rips taking up so much space.
post #1847 of 7090
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Originally Posted by lt. Dang View Post

sorry the emoticons don't rationalise your words because you don't come across as joking.

So when you post "i would consider myself the best judge when it comes to difference in picture quality and not the 50+ pages of other poster's opinions." what are you saying exactly?

don't tell me, that was a joke too eh?

Please don't confuse your opinion with fact. I don't think that will work in this forum.

Regards,

lt. Dang

:d
post #1848 of 7090
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Originally Posted by bigjsouth View Post

Have you tried the WDTV2 remote with the WDTV1? I get a faster response using a Live remote on the WDTV1 than I did using the old WD controller and the buttons do feel different. Im sure the chipset is what makes the Live work so well but the controllers may look identical but dont seem to operate the same.
Anyone else try this?

Yes, just tried that out on the WDTV1 with the WDTV Live remote.

You are correct the WDTV1 is a bit more responsive with the new remote.

Regards,

Lt. Dang
post #1849 of 7090
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Originally Posted by techflaws View Post

Which isn't due to a better remote but the faster chip used in the WDTV2.

Not entirely true then.

It does appear that the new remote is improved to the extent that it even has better response with the WDTV1 which is, of course, still running with the older, slower chipset.

So the improved remote may have also contributed to some of the improvment in responsiveness for the WDTV Live as well?

What do you think bigjsouth?

Regards,

Lt. Dang
post #1850 of 7090
bigjsouth & Lt. Dang,

have you tried the old remote on the new player? Does it make it slower?
post #1851 of 7090
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Originally Posted by Nogib View Post

At my wits end here...

How in the love of god do I get this thing to login to my main Windows 7 desktop? I continually get a "Failed to connect to file server" when trying to access it from my WDTV Live. Ironically, my netbook, with the exact same network settings, can be connected to from the WDTV Live with no problem!

I am not using Windows 7's Homegroup crap. I have Network Discovery on, File and printer sharing on, Public folder sharing on, Media streaming off, Password protected sharing off. All my PCs have been able to see and share their directories with one another with Win7 for months now. No problem there. But the WDTV Live refuses to connect to any desktop. I briefly thought that it may have something to do with Symantec Endpoint Protection, but I have since uninstalled that and switched to Microsoft Security Essentials in an effort to make it identical to my netbook which as I said can be connected from the WDTV Live.

Searched through this thread high and low and saw a few other people having a login issue like this, but no resolution. What in the world do I have to do to get this bloody thing to simply login to my PC properly??? This really shouldn't be that hard or maddening like this.

I had basically the same issues yesterday. Never did get it working properly again with any tweaks I did to the network on the PC. I ended up doing a restore going back to a date that I know when I setup the HomeGroup stuff on Win 7. Not sure what HomeGroup is doing but it totally broke the WDTV Network shares for me.
post #1852 of 7090
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Originally Posted by guardianali View Post

Yes it does. I have my harmony One using it as we speak. The old HD and the new HD live use the same remote and codes. That was not effected in the upgrade. Only a few new stuff was added internally like network conenctions and such.

So when ur in the harmony settings, chose media pc, chose Western digital as company, and then copy and paste the Example field right into the place u type.

I have a harmony 620. I found this link to Harmony specific WDTV instructions very useful. WDTV and WDTV Live have the same remote commands.

I did go back and Customize Buttons. In Standard Buttions I made OK be enter, arrows do their proper functions. I also did Additional Buttons and added Home, Option, and Search.

I do have a timing problem sometimes where my HDMI is switched correctly but does not show the WDTV Live every time. Any suggestions about order or timing loops I should put in.
post #1853 of 7090
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Originally Posted by 720p View Post

bigjsouth & Lt. Dang,

have you tried the old remote on the new player? Does it make it slower?

It does not seem to be noticably slower using the WDTV1 remote.
But it does seems to be much more "directional" and of reduced range.
You need to be closer to the WDTV Live and pointing the WDTV1 remote right at it to make it work first time every time.

So looks to me that the output from the WDTV Live remote has been beefed up somehow because I can be at the other end of the room with the remote pointed at the ceiling or floor even and it works every time with instant response.

Regards,

Lt. Dang
post #1854 of 7090
The WDTV1 remote is slower in my experience. Those of us who are familiar with the WDTV1 controller notice a sluggish response between pressing the buttons and the response on screen. When scrolling from folder to folder or selecting files, the old WDTV1 remote can take up to as much as 2 seconds to respond. Sometimes you will get no response at all and have to press the buttons again. The old remote also 'feels' different as you often have to mash on the buttons to get a response on screen.
Setting aside the old controller and testing out the new WD Live remote with the WDTV1 you instantly get a better response time, and scrolling from folder to folder becomes a breeze. Selecting a file no longer requires you to mash any buttons and you can also be further away from the unit.

Its both Lt. Dang and my impression that the remote seems to have been beefed up for the WDTV Live and thus is a better performing remote controller than the one provided with the WDTV1.
I also must agree with Lt. Dang that using the WDTV1 remote on the WD Live is not the best choice as the remote seems to need to be pointed directly at the unit at all times. I am not sure if response time is any slower however if using this method.

In short the remote controllers look the same but the WDTV2 remote works better.
post #1855 of 7090
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Originally Posted by bigjsouth View Post

* To answer my own posts. M4V does NOT FastForward or Rewind.

Have you tried changing the extension on these files from .m4v to .mp4? I had a similar problem with .m4v files on the original box, and changing the extension made them scannable for me. (Mostly -- some files didn't always recover well from scanning and would start stuttering wildly after resuming normal playback. I hope this isn't still the case on the WDTV2.)
post #1856 of 7090
I just ordered the WDTV Live from newegg. Now, reading through this thread, I'm seeing that you can't use USB hubs with it? Is that correct?

I currently have a WDTV1 with 2 4-port USB hubs, each with 4 1TB WD Element HDs attached. Am I to understand that I can only have 2 1TB drives attached to the WDTV Live?

If so, that bums me out.
post #1857 of 7090
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Originally Posted by Grasshopperus View Post

Have you tried changing the extension on these files from .m4v to .mp4? I had a similar problem with .m4v files on the original box, and changing the extension made them scannable for me. (Mostly -- some files didn't always recover well from scanning and would start stuttering wildly after resuming normal playback. I hope this isn't still the case on the WDTV2.)

@ Grasshopperus
Thanks you genius!

Changing the file extension from .M4V to .MP4 worked and made my movies scannable as well. The wild stuttering you get on the old WDTV1 is reduced to a slight jutter then normal playback resumes. This takes place of course when you pause for an extended time or when you FastForward or Rewind then resume playback. With the WDTV2 the slight juttering is not that visible (so they fixed this problem!) and does not always occur. The only files I have ever eperienced this stuuter issue with are the Ipod, Psp, Zune .M4V/ .MP4 rips and only after resuming normal playback.
Changing the file extension of the .M4V files to .MP4 is a great fix and really works so thanks!
post #1858 of 7090
When you use posters for icon browsing, is the wdtv2 capable to resize them on-the-fly regardless of original resolution, or does it require to manually resize them first (to what)?

Big thanks =]
post #1859 of 7090
bigjsouth & Lt. Dang,

thanks for reporting back on the remote. WD seems to have done a good job on the new remote without promoting it. I only have experience of the old remote.
It would be also interesting to compare the two units using a harmony or similar 3rd party remote.
post #1860 of 7090
Hi all,
I just bought the WDTV Live and I am having a couple problems that I hope someone can help me with or point me in the right direction.

The first is getting the WD to access my files. Right now, it can only see things in the Public folder. I am using Vista64 on my PC. In my Network and Sharing Center, I have Network Discovery, File Sharing, and Public folder sharing all turned on. Password protected sharing is off. I have tried changing the share permissions to the folder on the drive that I want it to access, but that didn't work. I tried putting a link to the folder in the Public folder, but that didn't work either. Then I tried mapping the folder to a drive letter, to no effect.

The second problem is distortion of the display. I am using a tube TV, and tried several programs I had downloaded, one of which is 4x3 and the others 16x9. All of them displayed with the same vertically elongated distortion. Changing the setting from widescreen to normal in the WD had no effect on the proportion, it only makes the default display size a little larger in widescreeen mode. When I output any of these videos using my old method (playing full screen with WMP or WP Classic and outputting thru composite cable from my All-in-wonder card to my TV input), the display is normal. The 16x9 are letterboxed like they should be and the 4x3 fill the screen. With the WDTV, even the 16x9 have display proportion taller than wide. I am wondering if this unit will only work with digital TV's? Although it makes fat chicks look better, I don't want to watch video where everyone has elongated heads and bodies.
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