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post #4591 of 7090
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Originally Posted by SoNic67 View Post

I don't have an Youtube account. Or maybe I don't waht to sign in. How exactly Google DOESN'T need the cookies? Did you try to see what happens after a YouTube session with your network?
A media player, because is not beeing used for internet browsing, is useless for their data agregation...

No, I did not say that YouTube does not need cookies.

I did say that YouTube does not use cookies for your viewing preferences as you intimated in your previous post. That is held in your account which the WDTV Live has access to when you sign in and therefore your account collects the data on your activity, making cookies irrelevant.

Regards,

Lt. Dang
post #4592 of 7090
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Originally Posted by Greencat View Post

I don't understand why you would do this. Is it because you don't have TV near your receiver? You can run WMP & Tversity through the WD Live box and won't need the remote software. I'm thinking about getting a 2nd Wd Live box to play music in the master Bedroom since its the same price as the Airport Express.

tx for your comment. i want to do it because i do not want to use wd live music management system - i want to play my music via laptop but use "spdf out" opportunity on the wd live. i play music via wd live interface sharing playlists but its too cumbersome. i want to stick to the media monkey. i looked around - seems like airport express is the only op here (http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/vie...=127697#127697) . Tversity would still make me use wd live interface which i want to avoid.
post #4593 of 7090
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Originally Posted by midnightman View Post

When playing back Youtube video, does the WD TV Live allow you to select different video mode (360, 480p, 720p, hd...)

No, there is no choice. I've only seen low res youtube video on the WDTV Live.
post #4594 of 7090
Is anyone else tempted to sell their WD Tive Live when the Popbox is released? Technically this box does what I want but the interface is rubbish and streaming from the network is finicky. Plus, I really don't like having to fire up my desktop (with PlayOn) every time I want to watch a Netflix movie or Revision 3 podcast.
post #4595 of 7090
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Originally Posted by Dunbar View Post

Is anyone else tempted to sell their WD Tive Live when the Popbox is released? Technically this box does what I want but the interface is rubbish and streaming from the network is finicky. Plus, I really don't like having to fire up my desktop (with PlayOn) every time I want to watch a Netflix movie or Revision 3 podcast.

Not me. I am not going to BUY a device that puts UNWANTED advertising on my TV. I get enough of that with network TV.
post #4596 of 7090
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Originally Posted by derelict_drvr View Post

not me. I am not going to buy a device that puts unwanted advertising on my tv. I get enough of that with network tv.

+1!
post #4597 of 7090
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Originally Posted by Derelict_Drvr View Post

Not me. I am not going to BUY a device that puts UNWANTED advertising on my TV. I get enough of that with network TV.

I am pretty used it it after comcast's guide. Anyway I think the (higher priced) competing product from syabas is the A 200.
post #4598 of 7090
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Originally Posted by aero12 View Post

I am pretty used it it after comcast's guide. Anyway I think the (higher priced) competing product from syabas is the A 200.

I agree about ads, could care less as long as I get a nice interface. BTW, I think Popbox directly matches up against the WD TV Live on a feature basis.
post #4599 of 7090
I bought a WDTV Live a few weeks ago and while I like it to be able to play my movies, I just wasn't impressed with the interface. I just placed an order for an Acer Revo 3610 which I will load with XBMC. It should arrive tomorrow or Tuesday. I installed XBMC on my home PC and the interface just destroys the WDTV.

One thing I like about the WDTV which I hope to do with the Acer is stream my home videos. If I can do that well it really will surpass the WDTV in every way (except price I guess). I'm also excited about the potential to stream March Madness and other web based content (ESPN 360, MLB TV, Fancast, etc.)

I'll come back here and let you guys know what I think going from one to the other. The WDTV is cheap so I'll probably move it to another room and stream my DVD collection. I guess I'm just looking for more of the wow factor when showing off my movie collection and some of the XBMC skins will hopefully achieve that: http://xbmc.org/skins/
post #4600 of 7090
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Originally Posted by Bongu View Post

I'll come back here and let you guys know what I think going from one to the other. The WDTV is cheap so I'll probably move it to another room and stream my DVD collection. I guess I'm just looking for more of the wow factor when showing off my movie collection and some of the XBMC skins will hopefully achieve that: http://xbmc.org/skins/

Let me know how it works out. I returned my WDTV Live a few weeks ago right after I discovered XBMC. I am now either going to pick up a notebook or wait for Boxee Box. Any feedback you have would be great. ie. does XBMC on Revo output TrueHD or DTS-HD Master?
post #4601 of 7090
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Originally Posted by Bongu View Post

I bought a WDTV Live a few weeks ago and while I like it to be able to play my movies, I just wasn't impressed with the interface. I just placed an order for an Acer Revo 3610 which I will load with XBMC. It should arrive tomorrow or Tuesday. I installed XBMC on my home PC and the interface just destroys the WDTV.

One thing I like about the WDTV which I hope to do with the Acer is stream my home videos. If I can do that well it really will surpass the WDTV in every way (except price I guess). I'm also excited about the potential to stream March Madness and other web based content (ESPN 360, MLB TV, Fancast, etc.)

I'll come back here and let you guys know what I think going from one to the other. The WDTV is cheap so I'll probably move it to another room and stream my DVD collection. I guess I'm just looking for more of the wow factor when showing off my movie collection and some of the XBMC skins will hopefully achieve that: http://xbmc.org/skins/


I think I am in the same boat, I just ordered a Revo as well, the WD TV live has too many issues and no expandability.
post #4602 of 7090
Just wanted to report my preliminary test of converters HD mpeg->mkv on Windows 7 64 Bit.
Episode from The Tudors was downloaded from TiVo HD and converted to mpeg, file size 4.626 GB.
My intent was to convert this mpeg file to mkv using
advice from advanced users of this forum on converter selection.
Conversion was one pass, codec H.264, other options were defaults for each converter.
My box was i7-920, four cores, 8 GB RAM.
All converters were of latest available version as of 2/14/10.
Code:
Converter       mkv size         Time       Cost
StaxRip         1.975 GB      ~2h 10m    Free 
Handbrake      2.800 GB      ~2h           Free
Xvid4PSP          -                 -      Free
DVDFab         2.300 GB        52m         Trial

DVDFab  Lifetime File-to-mobile option is $60.50
Results speak for themselves. Xvid4PSP couldn't even start due to some wrong option it fed to x264.exe
Evidently you get what you pay for.

All resulting mkv play nicely on WDTV Live, firmware 24.

One thing beats me: How people that put files on torrents manage to convert BD movies to 2-4 GB mkv?
May be TiVo HD mpeg is too tough to compress?
post #4603 of 7090
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Originally Posted by Logon2008 View Post

Evidently you get what you pay for.

I find it's usually the opposite with video encoding. Freeware is more flexible and gives better results than payware. In fact, a lot of payware is simply a pretty front end to the same freeware, just put together by people who really don't know much about video. And, in fact, DVD Fab uses the x264 encoder just like the other programs you listed. It just uses faster (and hence lower quality) settings.

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Originally Posted by Logon2008 View Post

One thing beats me: How people that put files on torrents manage to convert BD movies to 2-4 GB mkv?

Many things effect the compressibility of video. Those 2-4 GB mkv files are usually have the resolution reduced from 1920x1080 to 1280x720. Lower resolution requires lower bitrate. Clean sources compress much better than noisy sources. Progressive sources compress better than interlaced sources. Lower frame rates compress better than higher frame rates. Etc.
post #4604 of 7090
A noob question - I have been reading through the threads here for a while, but am unable to clearly understand the difference between the flood of different media players.

With the WD Live and other budget players playing most of the formats out there, why do many still pay more than double for high end players like Dune or Popcorn Hour? Are there specific features or is it picture quality?
post #4605 of 7090
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Originally Posted by Quant View Post

With the WD Live and other budget players playing most of the formats out there, why do many still pay more than double for high end players like Dune or Popcorn Hour? Are there specific features or is it picture quality?

Better file/network compatibility, features (DVD menus, Netflix streaming, etc.), presentation (look at the GUI for Boxee or XBMC), and picture quality issues (deinterlacing quality, WDTV can't switch output resolution and frame rates on the fly, colorspace issues {rec601 vs rec709, on the fly switching).
post #4606 of 7090
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Originally Posted by wokwokabc View Post

I find it's usually the opposite with video encoding. Freeware is more flexible and gives better results than payware. In fact, a lot of payware is simply a pretty front end to the same freeware, just put together by people who really don't know much about video. And, in fact, DVD Fab uses the x264 encoder just like the other programs you listed. It just uses faster (and hence lower quality) settings.


Many things effect the compressibility of video. Those 2-4 GB mkv files are usually have the resolution reduced from 1920x1080 to 1280x720. Lower resolution requires lower bitrate. Clean sources compress much better than noisy sources. Progressive sources compress better than interlaced sources. Lower frame rates compress better than higher frame rates. Etc.

Found this: http://www.badaboomit.com/
Owners of Nvidia card with CUDA processors may see benefit from this converter. I have GTS 240 with 112 CUDA processors so I'll give it a try.
More is here (old publication but interesting): http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3339
post #4607 of 7090
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Originally Posted by Logon2008 View Post

Found this: http://www.badaboomit.com/
Owners of Nvidia card with CUDA processors may see benefit from this converter. I have GTS 240 with 112 CUDA processors so I'll give it a try.
More is here (old publication but interesting): http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3339

The other obvious advantage with DVD Fab is that it is not hindered by encryption.
post #4608 of 7090
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Originally Posted by Logon2008 View Post

Conversion was one pass, codec H.264, other options were defaults for each converter.

Evidently you get what you pay for.

Italics mine. Each of your programs has those has different defaults.

So with variables (simplified) of a) Time, b) compression amount, and c) quality, the one with the least compression+quality defaults would (and did) "win" judged solely on the third variable -- time.
post #4609 of 7090
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Originally Posted by Quant View Post

With the WD Live and other budget players playing most of the formats out there, why do many still pay more than double for high end players like Dune or Popcorn Hour? Are there specific features or is it picture quality?

The WD Live sells for $120 discounted, the latest popcorn a200 hour which can do quite a bit more is $180 or 50% more. But the WD Live sells for 50% more than the Asus R1 which has a discounted price of $80.
The Asus oplay R3 sells for about the same price as the WD Live yet has wireless networking and esata.

So one could equally ask the question: why buy a WD over an Asus r1with the WD costing 50% more?
post #4610 of 7090
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Originally Posted by Logon2008 View Post

Found this: http://www.badaboomit.com/
Owners of Nvidia card with CUDA processors may see benefit from this converter. I have GTS 240 with 112 CUDA processors so I'll give it a try.
More is here (old publication but interesting): http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3339

The consensus I've seen is that Badaboom is fast if you have a slow CPU but the quality isn't as good as the better h.264 encoders. If you have a fast CPU (eg, i7) you might as well use the CPU (eg, x264). It will encode almost as fast and give noticeably better quality. There are other GPU h.264 encoders out there including the open source MediaCoder. I've played around with the latter (lowly 8600 GT) and found it was pretty poor. It's been a few months though, so maybe it's better now.
post #4611 of 7090
I'm saddened by the number of people who aren't happy with playback that suits their needs, and must have some flashy 'bling', like movie posters as the way to select films, etc.

I thought the people here in general were smarter than that.
post #4612 of 7090
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Originally Posted by Logon2008 View Post

Found this: http://www.badaboomit.com/
Owners of Nvidia card with CUDA processors may see benefit from this converter. I have GTS 240 with 112 CUDA processors so I'll give it a try.
More is here (old publication but interesting): http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3339

Off Topic, but DVDFab is also able to use NVidia CUDA.
post #4613 of 7090
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Originally Posted by tutelary View Post

I'm saddened by the number of people who aren't happy with playback that suits their needs, and must have some flashy 'bling', like movie posters as the way to select films, etc.

I thought the people here in general were smarter than that.

Its a strange world peoples tastes vary,lots of folks just happy to get all the files that they wanted to play..Play.Others want Posters,YAMJ/XBMC like they have had on there HCPC And will wait to they have something more Equal,Personally i like the WD Range,there at a decent price point,Feature set is good and for a lot of folks they seem like a ideal solution.
post #4614 of 7090
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Originally Posted by tutelary View Post

I'm saddened by the number of people who aren't happy with playback that suits their needs, and must have some flashy 'bling', like movie posters as the way to select films, etc.

I thought the people here in general were smarter than that.

You can say that when WDTV Live plays movies without audio sync issues or have no network problems or better subtitle support... well, all you can always pray for better firmware support!

Only someone who doesn't know what you can do with XBMC can resume it to a "flashy bling"! I thought the people here in general were smarter at least to experiment before speak!
post #4615 of 7090
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Originally Posted by Goba View Post

Only someone who doesn't know what you can do with XBMC can resume it to a "flashy bling"! I thought the people here in general were smarter at least to experiment before speak!


More like someone who doesnt care. I care about movies, not jpgs. I have yet to have these mystery sync issues other people are having and think it likely has to do with what people are encoding with.
btw: 'resume it'?
post #4616 of 7090
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Originally Posted by tutelary View Post

I'm saddened by the number of people who... must have some flashy 'bling'

I prefer simple text menus myself. Although it is nice having episode synopsis in Boxee when I forget which episode I last watched.

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Originally Posted by tutelary View Post

I have yet to have these mystery sync issues other people are having

Try the file linked to in this post (or any of the other HD Nation episodes):
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...0#post18122180
post #4617 of 7090
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Originally Posted by tutelary View Post

I'm saddened by the number of people who aren't happy with playback that suits their needs, and must have some flashy 'bling', like movie posters as the way to select films, etc.

I thought the people here in general were smarter than that.

So I take it you still use command line DOS or Un!x ? After all, you must not see the need for those fancy computer GUI's either....

Having graphics to select movies isn't just "bling", it's an efficient way of helping your brain sort through 100's (or more) files in as quick of way as possible...
post #4618 of 7090
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Originally Posted by tutelary View Post

More like someone who doesnt care. I care about movies, not jpgs. I have yet to have these mystery sync issues other people are having and think it likely has to do with what people are encoding with.
btw: 'resume it'?

Try it first... its not jpeg... its fanart, movies preview, synopsis... etc!

XBMC is more than jpegs... trying to say that is just insane!

Audio sync issues STILL exists even on WDTV 1ยบ gen... and WD devs couldn't care less...
post #4619 of 7090
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Originally Posted by tutelary View Post

I'm saddened by the number of people who aren't happy with playback that suits their needs, and must have some flashy 'bling', like movie posters as the way to select films, etc.
I thought the people here in general were smarter than that.

So Apple was "dumb" with ipod and iphone and cheaper better mp3 players trounced ipod and much more capable Windows mobile trounced iPhone?

User interfaces are a key element of engineering and ones that deal elegantly with large mounts of information are smarter, not dumber, especially for consumer products.

it isn't just about movie posters, which are not being used by users as you imply, but as iconic images to NAVIGATE (you know like iconic images that dominate every modern user interface). As well as key improvements like better navigation through setting favorites which could help especially given that for video, music and phones people are going to be using a good amount of folder depth if on a server, and even more complexity of spread across a few storage devices or pcs on a home network. this is a networked device aimed at being a head point for multiple.

It isnt so much about condemning WD for where things are, but I do feel like a lot of people are sick the silly comments opposing advocating for better features on this device or the next. Change occurs faster than ever and this appliance is already dated. And it is a bit rude that the WD firmware updates are actually removing features.

Seriously you sound like the guys who were saying GUIS (you know like Windows) would never take in the market.
post #4620 of 7090
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Originally Posted by Goba View Post

Only someone who doesn't know what you can do with XBMC can resume it to a "flashy bling"! I thought the people here in general were smarter at least to experiment before speak!

What in the world does an HTPC running XBMC have to do with the WDTVLive?
Apples to oranges much?
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