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post #6601 of 7090
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

I don't see where you can generate TrueHD using eac3to. You can generate AC3 and DTS using eac3to with external decoders but I don't see anything about generating HD formats.

There are options to create DTSMA, DTSHR and THD + core. Note the + core is important. You need to make sure you remux with TsRemux to m2ts and not TsMuxer as TsMuxer does not support THD properly (it strips the core).

You can also use the DTSHD Encoder Suite to produce DTS-HD MA but this is not supported by the WDTV Live as it will only play the core.
post #6602 of 7090
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Originally Posted by 939 View Post
Isn't optical limited to 1500 Kbps?

In any case the WDTV Live will downmix multichannel LPCM (and FLAC and AAC) to 2.0.
** This post has incorrect info. Please disregard it **
Have we identified an issue with the Live and not the Live+?

Not to repeat or argue, but all the 5.1 PCM tracks I’ve used work properly on my Live+.

You said “will downmix”. Maybe this is a settings menu function? Or are you saying 5.1 PCM will always downmix to 2.0? Either way… I believe other Live+ users can verify that my results can be duplicated on their system.

About the 1500kbps question via SPDIF; I do not know. Seems like a web search (wiki) could answer that. I have only ran with a vague understanding of what I said before, SPDIF can run 5.1 but not 7.1 or higher. Of course, there is a bandwidth and technical breakdown to explain it further; I am just not qualified to explain it in detail.
post #6603 of 7090
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Originally Posted by Marde View Post
Have we identified an issue with the Live and not the Live+?

Not to repeat or argue, but all the 5.1 PCM tracks I've used work properly on my Live+.
Here's a 2011 post from the WDC forums indicating some users have not been able to get 5.1 PCM to work:

http://community.wdc.com/t5/General-.../108976#M17581

What's the reality? Who knows. Some people are still insisting their AVI's stutter while others insist AVI is OK. There are a mind-boggling number of variables and combinations thereof to contend with when it comes to "play it all" media boxes like WDTV.
post #6604 of 7090
Because most of the troubles comes from the "other end" - the PC that is used to stream media...

My example: I was going crazy because my network shares under Windows7 x64 wheren't working. I did try everything I could imagine.
In desperation, I uninstalled Windows Live Sign-In Assistant and bang... everything started to work!
This was on one of the first firmwares, I don't know if it got solved, I didn't even try to mess wit it since then.
post #6605 of 7090
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Originally Posted by Marde View Post

Have we identified an issue with the Live and not the Live+?

Not to repeat or argue, but all the 5.1 PCM tracks I've used work properly on my Live+.

You said will downmix. Maybe this is a settings menu function? Or are you saying 5.1 PCM will always downmix to 2.0? Either way I believe other Live+ users can verify that my results can be duplicated on their system.

About the 1500kbps question via SPDIF; I do not know. Seems like a web search (wiki) could answer that. I have only ran with a vague understanding of what I said before, SPDIF can run 5.1 but not 7.1 or higher. Of course, there is a bandwidth and technical breakdown to explain it further; I am just not qualified to explain it in detail.

SPDIF does not have enough bandwidth to carry a full 5.1 PCM signal, so the audio track will be downgraded to 2 channels only. This is generally an undesirable result.

The above from here: http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/1064

Hence you CANNOT stream LPCM 5.1 (or DTS-HD, or TrueHD) through optical and you're only getting 2.0.
post #6606 of 7090
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Originally Posted by Marde View Post

I am unsure why multi channel LPCM is not supported? For some reason, it is working in my setup. I have used 5.1 PCM a few/several times and just re-checked again using Spiderman 3.m2ts.

LPCM 4608kbps 5.1 48kHz 16-bit

I checked PCM 5.1 output using two methods;
(1) Optical Out to AVR (Note 5.1 does work via SPDIF but not 7.1 or higher -on all AV gear right?)
(2) HDMI Out to TV-> TV Digital Audio Coax Out -> to AVR

Both methods sound great and are 5.1. The AVR is not creating a (virtual) generated 5.1 effect, the PCM is unaltered.

Live+ running firmware version x, the version that came out about 3 weeks ago.

I'm running the Live+ with the latest release firmware (1.04.22). HDMI from the Live+ into my Onkyo AVR. The initial sound coming out of the AVR is simulated 5.1 (ProLogic II) which is the preset for when it receives stereo (2.0). When I switch the Onkyo mode to direct so that each channel goes to it's designated speaker, only stereo comes out of the front two.
post #6607 of 7090
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

The initial sound coming out of the AVR is simulated 5.1 (ProLogic II) which is the preset for when it receives stereo (2.0). When I switch the Onkyo mode to direct so that each channel goes to it's designated speaker, only stereo comes out of the front two.

And what's the question? ProLogicII is a feature of the receiver to make a FAKE surround from stereo signal. When you put the receiver on ""direct" mode it doesn't apply any fancy effects anymore...
post #6608 of 7090
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Originally Posted by SoNic67 View Post

And what's the question? ProLogicII is a feature of the receiver to make a FAKE surround from stereo signal. When you put the receiver on ""direct" mode it doesn't apply any fancy effects anymore...

There is no question, the post is just part of the discussion. Marde says he is getting 5.1 LPCM from the Live+ when run through optical. I'm just further clarifying that I don't when using the Live+ and run through HDMI.
post #6609 of 7090
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Originally Posted by 939 View Post

There are options to create DTSMA, DTSHR and THD + core. Note the + core is important. You need to make sure you remux with TsRemux to m2ts and not TsMuxer as TsMuxer does not support THD properly (it strips the core).

You can also use the DTSHD Encoder Suite to produce DTS-HD MA but this is not supported by the WDTV Live as it will only play the core.

I'm going to look into this some more. I use Clown_BD as a GUI to eac3to. In the Clown interface there are options to convert to AC3 or DTS but doesn't appear to be an option to convert to TrueHD or DTS-MA. And unless I'm misreading the documentation, eac3to requires external encoders (some of which are not free) to do any audio conversions -- when I tried to do just a DTS conversion of the LPCM it came back to tell me Surcode was not installed.
post #6610 of 7090
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

Marde says he is getting 5.1 LPCM from the Live+ when run through optical.

I'm an idiot. Please forgive me. My posts about 5.1 PCM are very incorrect. I only thought I was using DIRECT mode on my AVR.

I also tested SPDIF Optical on my BR Player, and could not get multi channel PCM to work only because it never should. Just like the Live+, I am only getting 2.0

I will edit my prior posts and add This post has incorrect info. Please disregard it.
post #6611 of 7090
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelson
I'm going to look into this some more. I use Clown_BD as a GUI to eac3to. In the Clown interface there are options to convert to AC3 or DTS but doesn't appear to be an option to convert to TrueHD or DTS-MA. And unless I'm misreading the documentation, eac3to requires external encoders (some of which are not free) to do any audio conversions -- when I tried to do just a DTS conversion of the LPCM it came back to tell me Surcode was not installed.
I use clown bd with just eac3to and tsmuxer for blurays to iso. I grab all the english subtitles to make sure i get any forced subs. As for audio you can see the core track is a subcomponent of the HD tracks. I rely on this as one of my htpc's is only hdmi 1.2. On movies with LPCM tracks usually there is an ac3 track there if you need it but even my 2006 htpc with hdmi 1.2 can handle multi channel LPCM. I would buy one of these devices if they supported multichannel LPCM over hdmi.
post #6612 of 7090
Yesterday I went & bought a WDTV live, because my current setup (streaming movies from PC to PS3) is using waaaay to much power.

I want to use this solution with my trusted old readynas duo serving the media to the WDTV live.

However, I seem to run into an issue, which if googled, goes back to an older firmware version from Q1 and Q2 2010.

My WD TV live has downloaded the latest firmware, but now I'm having the issue that, no matter which media I play, when I exit it or it finished, I can't start another. I get the blue spinning wheel of death which never stops. Powercycling helps.

I'm strictly accessing media from either DLNA or via the netgear share.

WD TV is connected to a Denon 4306 via HDMI, wired to my local network using cat5e.

What am I doing wrong?

Second question - my amplifier can do DTS/Dolby but not AAC decoding. Can I edit the WD TV settings in such a way that I get passthrough for DTS/Dolby, but AAC gets downmixed?

Thanks for all your feedback, I can't seem to find someone with the same issue in the 2011 timeframe.
post #6613 of 7090
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Originally Posted by drcorso View Post
I use clown bd with just eac3to and tsmuxer for blurays to iso. I grab all the english subtitles to make sure i get any forced subs. As for audio you can see the core track is a subcomponent of the HD tracks. I rely on this as one of my htpc's is only hdmi 1.2. On movies with LPCM tracks usually there is an ac3 track there if you need it but even my 2006 htpc with hdmi 1.2 can handle multi channel LPCM. I would buy one of these devices if they supported multichannel LPCM over hdmi.
I've been using Clown_BD more and more these days. Although DVD Fab is my primary ripper I typically use it just to do a full disk rip. I then use Clown to pull out the main title, etc. It's the old story of no single tool does it all the way one would like. In this case, I find that using Clown_BD is the most direct way of making a BD.m2ts file that is compatible with the Live+ (i.e. knits together seamless branching titles, extracts forced subtitles, etc.). For my part, I like to keep things minimalist -- 1 video stream, 1 audio stream, 1 subtitle stream in a main_title.m2ts file. So I will typically use TSMUXER to do a quick rip of the English subtitles and inspect them to see which one I want and if there are any forced subs to deal with. Then I'll use Clown_BD to do the final job.

The titles I have with LPCM tracks also have DD/5.1 tracks. But the DD/5.1 tracks have only 640Kbps bitrate. I was looking to convert the 4Mbps LPCM track to at least a 1.5Mbps DTS track. But from the eac3to wiki it looks like I would need to buy the Surcode DTS encoder to do that -- not likely. I'll just stick with the DD/5.1 tracks. I agree it would be highly desirable for the Live+ to handle multi-channel LPCM over HDMI.
post #6614 of 7090
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Originally Posted by Yves Smolders View Post

Second question - my amplifier can do DTS/Dolby but not AAC decoding. Can I edit the WD TV settings in such a way that I get passthrough for DTS/Dolby, but AAC gets downmixed?

I have also ran into that problem. The only way around it is to switch your audio back and forth from passthrough with everything else, and then "stereo" for AAC. There is no way to make WD TV to automatically differentiate between them and to automatically downmix AAC.


I'm not sure how to fix your other issue. I stream my movies via Wireless N network. I used both Network Shares and also a media server (TVersity). I'm on the latest firmware 1.04.31 and everything has been playing fine. I had it playing for hours last weekend without issues. I don't have a NAS though. All my files are all in USB HDDs all connected to my PC upstairs in my bedroom.
post #6615 of 7090
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Originally Posted by Yves Smolders View Post

no matter which media I play, when I exit it or it finished, I can't start another. I get the blue spinning wheel of death which never stops. Powercycling helps.

I have not seen that issue either -“hangs after playing one media file”… but I have seen and heard of similar that often stems from a “HDMI error”. If you want to troubleshoot the issue, try doing this for testing only;

Re-route/change your cable connections with either (1) Live to AVR using component or composite cables (2) Live directly to TV via HDMI or component or composite cables.

The issue could be a HDMI firmware bug of the TV or AVR, or Live, -related to HDMI interaction of these components. If these tests fix it, look for new firmware for your TV or AVR...?

EDIT: I now see you are (only?) doing network shares and a DLNA host. Have you tried using local USB storage to see if the problem duplicates using the media this way?
post #6616 of 7090
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

In this case, I find that using Clown_BD is the most direct way of making a BD.m2ts file that is compatible with the Live+ (i.e. knits together seamless branching titles, extracts forced subtitles, etc.).

Sounds exactly like what DVDfab in main movie mode would do.

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Originally Posted by Marde View Post

I have not seen that issue either -hangs after playing one media file

It has been mentioned on several forums and it's there, even on the first gen WD TV. Once a messed up file causes a black screen you got to power cycle to be able to play back anything else.
post #6617 of 7090
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Originally Posted by techflaws View Post

Sounds exactly like what DVDfab in main movie mode would do.

On the surface that may seem to be the case, but the reality is that DVD Fab only goes so far with circumventing the WD Live limitations and in particular doesn't do what I noted in parenthesis in the post you quoted. I find that the WD Live(+) really likes BD.m2ts files. It can "play" BD.iso of a main title but does not read the BD playlist so it can't handle seamless branching titles. It also can't handle forced subtitles. DVD Fab in main movie mode does nothing for you in either of those categories -- a main title rip of a seamless branching title leaves it as a bunch of individual .m2ts files.

A Clown_BD rip of the main title does both -- it knits together seamless branching into a single BD.m2ts and it extracts forced subtitles into a separate PGS subtitle track and adds it to the BD.m2ts so that you can tell the WD Live(+) to display it and thus get the forced subs in Avatar or Iron Man I, for example. As I noted, it's a case of a single tool not doing everything you need to do.
post #6618 of 7090
I use MakeMKV to rip my DVDs to .mkv files; I only rip the video stream, one audio stream (if there are multiple) and one Subtitle stream (if the audio is not English).

While I am, on the whole, happy with the results (space is not an issue), I have found some problems with the fast-forward/rewind/chapter jumps: more often than not, doing any of these simply resets the video file to the beginning (position 0:00:00.0) at which pint it start playing again.

I have a similar problem with MPEGs recorded off free-to-air by MythTV - FF/RW is not accurate at all; when I press "play" again, there is a good chance the file starts playing from a point before or after the point where I pressed "play"... sometimes, significantly before/after (not so much a problem than an annoyance as MythTV kindly rips the majority of ad breaks from the video stream after recording it).

These are mostly annoying rather than disastrous, I'll admit - but still...

Meanwhile, I'm still trying to figure out why my audio seems to be downgraded to stereo over HDMI...
post #6619 of 7090
Thanks for the replies, everyone.

Not having AAC, I can live with. It's just a bunch of MP4's I have with AAC, because they were ideal for streaming to the PS3. I stopped using PS3/PC streaming because of the power use. NAS+WDTV is much more efficient.

The problem with the spinning disk stopped for me after I did these things:

1. Fixed IP instead of dynamic
2. Turned of media library

I would like to turn on the library again & check if it keeps working, I'll test this over the weekend. The Fixed IP trick, came up somewhere on google.

The only thing that bothers me now is MKV chapters. I really would like to see a skip/previous method.

For now I'll have to live with fast forward+next for 10 mins skip (I never tried this, just read about it today)

Is there alternative firmware which fixes MKV chapter behavior?
post #6620 of 7090
@Neoculture,

I ran into the same problem with a test of makemkv I tried yesterday. It's some setting automkv does while muxing. Someone fixed it by removing.

Found it here: http://www.makemkv.com/forum2/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=699 last post on this page, a screenshot.
post #6621 of 7090
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post
On the surface that may seem to be the case, but the reality is that DVD Fab only goes so far with circumventing the WD Live limitations and in particular doesn't do what I noted in parenthesis in the post you quoted.
You're right.

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Originally Posted by Yves Smolders View Post
The only thing that bothers me now is MKV chapters. I really would like to see a skip/previous method.
You press "Option" and "Chapters" and they list all of them. Probably because you can name them so they wanted you to be able to read the chapter titles.
post #6622 of 7090
Yeah, I know about option/chapters. However most MKV's don't have chapter names, so all you see is chapter numbers. Also, if you don't know on which chapter you are, there's no way to figure out what's "next" and "previous".

This is really an area where work can be done.
post #6623 of 7090
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Originally Posted by Yves Smolders View Post

@Neoculture,

I ran into the same problem with a test of makemkv I tried yesterday. It's some setting automkv does while muxing. Someone fixed it by removing.

Found it here: http://www.makemkv.com/forum2/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=699 last post on this page, a screenshot.

Mucho Gracias - that sounds like just what I needed. Now to get the Linux version of mkvmerge and work out which command-line options I need to pass it so I can write a shell script to remux the sh*t-load of MKVs I created.
post #6624 of 7090
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Originally Posted by Neoculture View Post
Mucho Gracias - that sounds like just what I needed. Now to get the Linux version of mkvmerge and work out which command-line options I need to pass it so I can write a shell script to remux the sh*t-load of MKVs I created.
Hmm.... the version of mkvmerge I got on my Ubuntu box doesn't seem to come up with the options shown in the thread... Prossibly because those options seem to be file-specific (i.e., it lists what's in the mkv container). I'll run a few tests tonight and see if re-muxing regardless helps.
post #6625 of 7090
Had an issue tonight, was watching an Mkv and 2/3s of the way the WD unit started freezing up and became unresponsive to the remote. Had to pull the plug and reboot, then had to fast forward through the movie to the part it locked up on, after that it played fine. Anyone else have a similar issue? Running the latest firmware...
post #6626 of 7090
Matt: Alittle more info would help. Was the movie running on a local USB harddrive or streaming from the network? If from the network, was it wired or wireless?
post #6627 of 7090
It's been a while since I've messed with the WDLive. I have it connected to a USB drive for the majority of my viewing.

What is the easiest way to link it to a specific folder on my Windows 7 PC? Nothing wireless, all cat6. I just want to be able to add a folder on my PC so I can view the contents and then be able to disable that easily. I'd rather not it permanently accessible since the kids have some movies on the usb drive.
post #6628 of 7090
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Originally Posted by de8212 View Post

It's been a while since I've messed with the WDLive. I have it connected to a USB drive for the majority of my viewing.

What is the easiest way to link it to a specific folder on my Windows 7 PC? Nothing wireless, all cat6. I just want to be able to add a folder on my PC so I can view the contents and then be able to disable that easily. I'd rather not it permanently accessible since the kids have some movies on the usb drive.

The way I had to do it required setting the folder permissions in the sharing tab to "everyone". When you want to disable, you can simply stop sharing the folder. In order to share, right click on the folder and select "share".
post #6629 of 7090
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Originally Posted by de8212 View Post

It's been a while since I've messed with the WDLive. I have it connected to a USB drive for the majority of my viewing.

What is the easiest way to link it to a specific folder on my Windows 7 PC? Nothing wireless, all cat6. I just want to be able to add a folder on my PC so I can view the contents and then be able to disable that easily. I'd rather not it permanently accessible since the kids have some movies on the usb drive.

Personally I use one of the customized firmwares (b-rad's) which allows me to mount SMB of NFS shares as "USB" drives (including, supposedly, dynamically via the web interface... but since I have a fileserver, all files go to *that* and the WDTV has a permanent link to the appropriate shares). Works for me, but YMMV.
post #6630 of 7090
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Originally Posted by Colton View Post

Matt: Alittle more info would help. Was the movie running on a local USB harddrive or streaming from the network? If from the network, was it wired or wireless?

Sorry, streaming from my computer via wired network. After I rebooted all was fine, but I seem to recall this happening once before.
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