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post #2251 of 3674
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Originally Posted by kevinqian View Post

That's exactly what i think. So the dedicated portion should not change. It is the baseline minimum allotted to the gpu by the bios. So what are y'all getting? I set a side 128mb but Windows reports BIOS set aside 330mb, so what's remaining is 3.68gb usable in windows.

I think you are misunderstanding the #'s. Windows is grabbing the additional ram and giving it to the IGP. When it shows 3.68gb usable that's because WINDOWS has decided to give ~320MB to the IGP. The 3.68gb is what is left for applications. If windows decided your igp needs even more, it would show less available as well. I see a similar # to you.
post #2252 of 3674
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Originally Posted by babgvant View Post

Try installing the standalone MPC-HC filters, the internal filters won't show up in GraphStudio.

It could also be a merit issue.

Did that.

Wouldn't merit be bypassed in Graph Studio?
post #2253 of 3674
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Originally Posted by beaups View Post

I think you are misunderstanding the #'s. Windows is grabbing the additional ram and giving it to the IGP. When it shows 3.68gb usable that's because WINDOWS has decided to give ~320MB to the IGP. The 3.68gb is what is left for applications. If windows decided your igp needs even more, it would show less available as well. I see a similar # to you.

So you see 3.68gb usable out of 4gb? hmm seems like an Intel gpu issue. Why would BIOS reserve more than the 128mb allocated to the IGP?

I think you are still off on the concept of that usable number. That number includes any memory dynamically allocated by Windows. What's taken away by the BIOS, windows has no control over. Open "Resource monitor", you will see under "Hardware reserve" 332MB. You will notice, that number does not change under heavy gpu load, it's the baseline minimum allotted to the gpu regardless of gpu load.
post #2254 of 3674
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Originally Posted by mrboogedy View Post

Wow I've spent three days messing with my system, and reading endless hours of forum posts looking for a solution, and I'm at the point of giving up or quitting my day job to focus full time on being able to listen to a blu-ray.

I have:
i5 661 on a \
Intel DH55TC Motherboard
using TMT3 (170) in Win7 x64
hooked up to Onkyo TX-SR606
Tried Intel Graphics Media Accelerator drivers (1995, 2021, 2082, 2086)

I have got all audio working except DTS-HD MA and Dolby TrueHD from Blu-Rays (discs or images). Is it possible to get it working at all? I've seen so many posts of people with Clarkdale's and intel mobos claiming to have bitstreaming working, but I think some of it may be outside TMT3 (not from blu-ray). Am I wasting my time?

I also heard some rumblings that the EDID of some Onkyo receivers was buggy and misreporting the receiver's supported formats. I'm not sure that's the case with mine, since last week I was bitstreaming audio from TMT3 using the Asus Xonar 1.3, it's only after "upgrading" to the i5 that I can't get it to work. I've also tried replacing the plug and play monitor drivers with a hacked EDID .inf file that I found that was supposed to be for the TX-RS606, but that caused endless problems (no display, had to system restore).

Sorry for the long post, I'm basically just wondering if I should wait a month or two for a new version of TMT3 and/or new drivers from Intel before wasting more of my life.

You should have more in your supported formats. How do you start up your system?
No EDID with Intel form. With 5750, yes on same AVR.
If you have sound going through to your TV, that may ba causing the htpc seeing it as 2 channel as mentioned a couple posts ago. Turn off passthrough of audio to your tv and try. Also, maybe reboot with hdmi to avr, dvi to monitor with both on before rebooting.
post #2255 of 3674
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Originally Posted by archibael View Post


Wouldn't merit be bypassed in Graph Studio?

Only if you explicitly build the graph.
post #2256 of 3674
Wow, after wading through 2000+ posts in this thread, I'm still not sure if I should wait longer for the Clarkdale/bitstream technology to mature?

Was hoping to get some concise advice... I want to build an HTPC that can play Blu-Ray ISOs over the network using Windows 7, TMT3 and MyMovies3 and reliably bitstream the audio via HDMI to my Sony STR-DA5400ES receiver. I want to use the 10 ft TMT3 MCE interface.

Is there a Clarkdale hardware and software configuration yet that can RELIABLY do this? Oh - and 24 hz playback is not a dealbreaker for me. 60 hz is fine. And I will ONLY use this HTPC for movie playback, no gaming.

Thanks guys!
post #2257 of 3674
Wow, I thought I was going nuts, and the world was against me with this, but I finally figured it out. So it was an EDID problem, the Onkyo receiver was not passing through its supported formats.

Turns out the EDID problem was caused by the fact I had "TV Audio Out" set to "On" within the receiver, so it was reading the supported audio formats of the TV and passing it on to the HTPC. Thanks to "kevinqian" for such a simple comment of "... that seems like what the TV is able to handle...".

I spent days trying everything with the PC, and should've spent more time looking at the receiver.

Hope this helps someone else out, because I saw alot of people posting similar problems but didn't see this as a possible cause anywhere.
post #2258 of 3674
That's not EDID, it's a AVR setup configuration.
post #2259 of 3674
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Originally Posted by babgvant View Post

Only if you explicitly build the graph.

Deleted the MS DTV codec which comes by default when I open the file, then added MPC VideoDec and/or Gabest's MPEG decoder. Still nothing. Well, not nothing-- slowly moving or garbled video. Same as I had before. Bizarre. Perhaps something about the splitter Graphedit is using compared to what MPC-HC is using?
post #2260 of 3674
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Originally Posted by archibael View Post

Deleted the MS DTV codec which comes by default when I open the file, then added MPC VideoDec and/or Gabest's MPEG decoder. Still nothing. Well, not nothing-- slowly moving or garbled video. Same as I had before. Bizarre. Perhaps something about the splitter Graphedit is using compared to what MPC-HC is using?

Try removing the default demux and using the "MPC - Mpeg Splitter (Gabest)". Splitter merit is an important part of the mix when trying to optimize playback outside of a player that allows more granular control.
post #2261 of 3674
Found an issue with playing with MPC-HC - If I uncheck "mpeg ps/ts/pva" in internal source filters so that .m2ts files use the Microsoft splitter, I can get DTS HD Master to bitstream with ffdshow. However, doing that makes it so .TS files are split by Haali which results in no video displayed at all for the .TS files. If I check it so the Gabest splitter is used, then .TS files show video but then .m2ts files will not bitstream DTS HD Master audio. Hmmss...

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Originally Posted by David602 View Post

From what I understand, when you are bitstreaming DTS HD MA and the receiver lites up "DTS HD MA", it's not being down sampled. Are you using FFDSHOW to do this?

Yeah I'm using ffdshow and the receiver lights up "master". It does seem to sound better.

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Originally Posted by SHaklee3 View Post

does anyone know how to set the chip to output 24p? Is that just a matter of changing the refresh to 24Hz?

In Intel graphics properties there is a setting for 23Hz. I haven't sen anyone validate it works but the setting is there. I never had the problem and suspect the 24fps issue never affected people with 120Hz tv's.

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Originally Posted by beaups View Post

I think you are misunderstanding the #'s. Windows is grabbing the additional ram and giving it to the IGP. When it shows 3.68gb usable that's because WINDOWS has decided to give ~320MB to the IGP. The 3.68gb is what is left for applications. If windows decided your igp needs even more, it would show less available as well. I see a similar # to you.

regarding op's question, go into Intel driver properties, click options and support, then information center. It should show a minimum graphics memory of whatever you set in the BIOS. There is also a maximum and current in use. I think that some components work better with an explicitly defined amount of memory and others can work okay with dynamic amounts of memory.
post #2262 of 3674
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Originally Posted by Black Banshee View Post

Wow, after wading through 2000+ posts in this thread, I'm still not sure if I should wait longer for the Clarkdale/bitstream technology to mature?

Was hoping to get some concise advice... I want to build an HTPC that can play Blu-Ray ISOs over the network using Windows 7, TMT3 and MyMovies3 and reliably bitstream the audio via HDMI to my Sony STR-DA5400ES receiver. I want to use the 10 ft TMT3 MCE interface.

Is there a Clarkdale hardware and software configuration yet that can RELIABLY do this? Oh - and 24 hz playback is not a dealbreaker for me. 60 hz is fine. And I will ONLY use this HTPC for movie playback, no gaming.

Thanks guys!


my advice

if you have something working satisfactory now, wait for sandy bridge to do your htpc upgrade
post #2263 of 3674
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by archibael View Post

Wouldn't merit be bypassed in Graph Studio?

I don't know if this helpful... Two registry keys are given priority over merit values under Windows 7's Intelligent Connect in the Filter Graph Manager.

- HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\\Media Type\\Extensions: This determines which source/splitter filter is used for each file extension.

- HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\SOFTWARE\\Microsoft\\DirectShow\\Preferr ed: My post. Part of it can be configured with Win7DSFilterTweaker.
post #2264 of 3674
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Originally Posted by tsb View Post

my advice

if you have something working satisfactory now, wait for sandy bridge to do your htpc upgrade


Is Clarkdale that bad? What I'm worried about is waiting for the next thing when sandy bridge comes out in 2011.
post #2265 of 3674
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Originally Posted by hogues View Post

Is Clarkdale that bad? What I'm worried about is waiting for the next thing when sandy bridge comes out in 2011.

No, it's not that bad. Just like any new technology, there are issues to overcome. I'm happy with my Clarkdale.
post #2266 of 3674
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Originally Posted by mryerse View Post

Found an issue with playing with MPC-HC - If I uncheck "mpeg ps/ts/pva" in internal source filters so that .m2ts files use the Microsoft splitter, I can get DTS HD Master to bitstream with ffdshow. However, doing that makes it so .TS files are split by Haali which results in no video displayed at all for the .TS files. If I check it so the Gabest splitter is used, then .TS files show video but then .m2ts files will not bitstream DTS HD Master audio. Hmmss...



Yeah I'm using ffdshow and the receiver lights up "master". It does seem to sound better.



In Intel graphics properties there is a setting for 23Hz. I haven't sen anyone validate it works but the setting is there. I never had the problem and suspect the 24fps issue never affected people with 120Hz tv's.



regarding op's question, go into Intel driver properties, click options and support, then information center. It should show a minimum graphics memory of whatever you set in the BIOS. There is also a maximum and current in use. I think that some components work better with an explicitly defined amount of memory and others can work okay with dynamic amounts of memory.

but there's also a 24hz setting. Which is correct?
post #2267 of 3674
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Originally Posted by kevinqian View Post

So you see 3.68gb usable out of 4gb? hmm seems like an Intel gpu issue. Why would BIOS reserve more than the 128mb allocated to the IGP?

I think you are still off on the concept of that usable number. That number includes any memory dynamically allocated by Windows. What's taken away by the BIOS, windows has no control over. Open "Resource monitor", you will see under "Hardware reserve" 332MB. You will notice, that number does not change under heavy gpu load, it's the baseline minimum allotted to the gpu regardless of gpu load.

There's really no issue at all. The BIOS yanks away 128mb immediately, and does not at any time give it up. The video card needs memory to start with, and if it ever loses it then your video goes away, so you've got an absolute minimum of 128mb being utilized. Windows allocates the additional RAM for tasks, and will increase/decrease it as it needs to, not unlike your page file (AKA virtual memory). The memory is used to buffer video information, and with the amount of information we're feeding it (ie HD video) it only allocates what it can use; allocating a full 1gb doesn't do any good becuase by the time it will run down the buffer it could have been refilled several times (not to mention hogging it away from the system), but it will increase beyond the baseline 128mb because it needs more for what's going on right now (Aero, video playback).

Sort of like how you wouldn't go buy ten gallons of milk at once for a family of four, but you need more than just an 8oz carton at a time. The ten gallons will go to waste, but you need more than that 8oz because you'll need to go run to the store several times a day. The buffer HAS to have that 128mb, but allocates the additional memory so it's got enough to not be going crazy, but isn't eating up all of your system RAM.

In short, don't worry about it. Best case is that you're getting exactly what you need like everyone else (which is good), and worst case is that it's eating up up to 256mb too much. And even that "worst case" is not a big deal.
post #2268 of 3674
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Originally Posted by tsb View Post

my advice

if you have something working satisfactory now, wait for sandy bridge to do your htpc upgrade

My advice is wait for sandy bridge and Llano and see which one comes up with a better solution. Remember AMD has a big advantage with graphics.
post #2269 of 3674
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Originally Posted by xSomeguyx View Post

There's really no issue at all. The BIOS yanks away 128mb immediately, and does not at any time give it up. The video card needs memory to start with, and if it ever loses it then your video goes away, so you've got an absolute minimum of 128mb being utilized. Windows allocates the additional RAM for tasks, and will increase/decrease it as it needs to, not unlike your page file (AKA virtual memory). The memory is used to buffer video information, and with the amount of information we're feeding it (ie HD video) it only allocates what it can use; allocating a full 1gb doesn't do any good becuase by the time it will run down the buffer it could have been refilled several times (not to mention hogging it away from the system), but it will increase beyond the baseline 128mb because it needs more for what's going on right now (Aero, video playback).

Sort of like how you wouldn't go buy ten gallons of milk at once for a family of four, but you need more than just an 8oz carton at a time. The ten gallons will go to waste, but you need more than that 8oz because you'll need to go run to the store several times a day. The buffer HAS to have that 128mb, but allocates the additional memory so it's got enough to not be going crazy, but isn't eating up all of your system RAM.

In short, don't worry about it. Best case is that you're getting exactly what you need like everyone else (which is good), and worst case is that it's eating up up to 256mb too much. And even that "worst case" is not a big deal.

Look you are preaching to the choir here. haha. I understand completely but I am trying to get to the bottom of this whether it's my machine specific BIOS issue or it's common to all Core i3/i5s.

Basically the BIOS is reserving 332mb of space for something when it should be reserving 128mb (as specified) for the IGP. So there's a memory leak somewhere in the BIOS, leading to Windows only seeing 3.68gb usable instead of 3.875gb.
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Originally Posted by kevinqian View Post

Look you are preaching to the choir here. haha. I understand completely but I am trying to get to the bottom of this whether it's my machine specific BIOS issue or it's common to all Core i3/i5s.

Basically the BIOS is reserving 332mb of space for something when it should be reserving 128mb (as specified) for the IGP. So there's a memory leak somewhere in the BIOS, leading to Windows only seeing 3.68gb usable instead of 3.875gb.

Kevin, no. AFAIK the reason you don't see 3.875 is that windows/the driver is taking more and giving it to the IGP. AFAIK, Windows will not report ram as usable if the IGP has stolen in, regardless if the theft came from the BIOS or from Windows/Driver.

I can tell you this, in order to clear up whether it's your machine only or not. My gigabyte H55 board right now shows 3.68gb usable.

Also, and maybe this is irrelevant. In device manager for the IGP under resources...if I calculate the memory ranges in use by the IGP it comes up to a little under 300MB (my hex skills are old).
post #2271 of 3674
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Originally Posted by beaups View Post

Kevin, no. AFAIK the reason you don't see 3.875 is that windows/the driver is taking more and giving it to the IGP. AFAIK, Windows will not report ram as usable if the IGP has stolen in, regardless if the theft came from the BIOS or from Windows/Driver.

I can tell you this, in order to clear up whether it's your machine only or not. My gigabyte H55 board right now shows 3.68gb usable.

Also, and maybe this is irrelevant. In device manager for the IGP under resources...if I calculate the memory ranges in use by the IGP it comes up to a little under 300MB (my hex skills are old).

Thank you for that. And you reserved 128mb in your BIOS for IGP?

I see it's not a machine specific issue but may be prevalent on all the Core i3/i5 machines. I have read somewhere that the PAVP needs pre allocated ram to function properly. That could be why.

Just to clear up, Whatever windows has to work with comes out of that 3.68gb usable, whether it be allocating to IGP or system use. So the difference between 4gb and 3.68gb is carved out by the BIOS and cannot be touched by Windows.
post #2272 of 3674
PAVP definitely needs around 128M to function.
post #2273 of 3674
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Originally Posted by archibael View Post

PAVP definitely needs around 128M to function.

And that is the answer I was really looking for. Thank you for getting to the heart of it.
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Does anyone know why when I play a bluray at random times throughout the movie the video will pause for about 3 seconds while the audio continues, and then skips to where it should be? Also, last night when we were watching planet earth, when the camera panned across a forest with lots of green, my screen flashed brighter colors every second. It was VERY annoying and made certain parts unwatchable. I tried PowerDVD9 and TMT, and both did this. Also, I switched my pn50b650 to cinema smooth and the intel drivers to 24Hz and it didn't make a difference.
post #2275 of 3674
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Originally Posted by kevinqian View Post

Thank you for that. And you reserved 128mb in your BIOS for IGP?

I see it's not a machine specific issue but may be prevalent on all the Core i3/i5 machines. I have read somewhere that the PAVP needs pre allocated ram to function properly. That could be why.

Just to clear up, Whatever windows has to work with comes out of that 3.68gb usable, whether it be allocating to IGP or system use. So the difference between 4gb and 3.68gb is carved out by the BIOS and cannot be touched by Windows.

OK it is my impression that if windows/driver allocates more ram to graphics, say 1GB, that windows would report even less as usable (in this case would report 3GB). To my knowledge the memory reportable by windows as "usable" is usable for applications, kernel, etc. So we are understanding this differently

To answer your question, I have allocated 128MB + 2MB in the BIOS. Can't remember what it says the 2MB is for.
post #2276 of 3674
Nope, that "usable" reported by Windows is basically what is under its control, be it to IGP, system, or whatever. You will notice that number never changes, regardless of how much IGP is being loaded. Try playing a game or something IGP intensive, it's still 3.68gb usable.
post #2277 of 3674
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Originally Posted by kevinqian View Post

Nope, that "usable" reported by Windows is basically what is under its control, be it to IGP, system, or whatever. You will notice that number never changes, regardless of how much IGP is being loaded. Try playing a game or something IGP intensive, it's still 3.68gb usable.

Seems strange to me, but I'm not going to doubt you...I have lots of experience but this is my first IGP attempt in years.
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Originally Posted by mrboogedy View Post

Wow I've spent three days messing with my system, and reading endless hours of forum posts looking for a solution, and I'm at the point of giving up or quitting my day job to focus full time on being able to listen to a blu-ray.

I have:
i5 661 on a \
Intel DH55TC Motherboard
using TMT3 (170) in Win7 x64
hooked up to Onkyo TX-SR606
Tried Intel Graphics Media Accelerator drivers (1995, 2021, 2082, 2086)

I have got all audio working except DTS-HD MA and Dolby TrueHD from Blu-Rays (discs or images). Is it possible to get it working at all? I've seen so many posts of people with Clarkdale's and intel mobos claiming to have bitstreaming working, but I think some of it may be outside TMT3 (not from blu-ray). Am I wasting my time?

I also heard some rumblings that the EDID of some Onkyo receivers was buggy and misreporting the receiver's supported formats. I'm not sure that's the case with mine, since last week I was bitstreaming audio from TMT3 using the Asus Xonar 1.3, it's only after "upgrading" to the i5 that I can't get it to work. I've also tried replacing the plug and play monitor drivers with a hacked EDID .inf file that I found that was supposed to be for the TX-RS606, but that caused endless problems (no display, had to system restore).

Sorry for the long post, I'm basically just wondering if I should wait a month or two for a new version of TMT3 and/or new drivers from Intel before wasting more of my life.

I had much the same experience but spent less time as I stumbled across a posting on the TMT forum that indicated that Reclock can solve this. It was not stated that you need to check the box in Reclock that deals with bitstreaming and says 'not recommended' but is required to make bitstreaming work. It looks like there are still some bugs in TMT.
post #2279 of 3674
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Originally Posted by kevinqian View Post

Nope, that "usable" reported by Windows is basically what is under its control, be it to IGP, system, or whatever. You will notice that number never changes, regardless of how much IGP is being loaded. Try playing a game or something IGP intensive, it's still 3.68gb usable.

That was my point from before; it's not going to increase the buffer size because it won't do you any good. That's not exactly super-speed RAM like on a dedicated GPU, and even if it was the IGP is a pretty wicked bottleneck, so increasing it for games won't do you any good. That "3.68GB usable" doesn't mean the BIOS is allocating beyond the 128mb, it's Windows saying "Hey, you've got 4GB installed, we've got ~320mb reserved, so you've REALLY got 3.68Gb that you can use". There's no "memory leak" because it doesn't go any higher. If it were a leak, you'd see that XGB usable number go down as the minutes tick on by. The "usable" reported by Windows isn't an all-encompassing number, it's what can be used by software running.
post #2280 of 3674
Well when i said leak, i meant something the BIOS was reserving other than the user defined 128mb for IGP. Now that archibael has cleared up that confusion somewhat by saying the PAVP within the MEI also requires at least 128mb, that would total up to 256mb at least. The rest could be something else the MEI requires RAM for, for a total of 332mb hardware BIOS reserved.
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