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post #2341 of 3674
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Originally Posted by Mark Guebert View Post

The other issue is, every time I resume from S3 the W7 audio reverts to 2ch, not a problem for bitstreaming. But the Flac files I have will not play back unless I go back into the CP and enable 7ch again. It happens every time, turn on order does not seem to matter.

I was seeing this issue occasionally when CEC was enabled on my AVR, since disabling it the issue hasn't repro'd.

You might also want to check that the TV's audio is disabled, it could be passing back stereo capabilities in the EDID.
post #2342 of 3674
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Originally Posted by Davinleeds View Post

Oh I will try Nvidia when I get one, but for the time being at $50 a 5450 fanless has to be tried. So for Gigabyte under Advanced Bios Features I set to ONBOARD for the 5450 to work. The choices under Init Display First are:
PCI
Onboard
PEG
PEG2

I had PEG for onboard dvi and hdmi to work and to use the 5450 in the pci16 slot I changed to onboard and the 5450 works. Of course after the dvi (onboard) shows boot screen.

Davin, i'm almost getting crasy, pls help.

I've found my GTX 260 is living HW issues. So i gave it a go with my Ati 5770.

PCI or PEG selection worked for me for X16 card by alone.
But when i selected onboard i can just get audio but not video.

Please tell me your connection workflow between PC > AVR > TV.
post #2343 of 3674
I don't connect video to AVR atm.

I have display to onboard dvi and hdmi to AVR (605)

5450 hdmi is connected to #2 input AVR. 5450 dvi is connected to 720p projector.

So far, AVR must be on during boot for Intel driver to recognize it. ATI driver doesnot

have this issue.
post #2344 of 3674
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post #2345 of 3674
Quote:
Originally Posted by Davinleeds View Post

I don't connect video to AVR atm.

I have display to onboard dvi and hdmi to AVR (605)

5450 hdmi is connected to #2 input AVR. 5450 dvi is connected to 720p projector.

So far, AVR must be on during boot for Intel driver to recognize it. ATI driver doesnot

have this issue.

In my trials the diagram was:

Onboard HDMI > AVR (HDMI 1 in) -for audio
5770 DVI > TV HDMI 1 in -for video

As far as i understand your connection is:

Onboard DVI (or HDMI) > AVR -for audio
5450 DVI > Projector-for video

What is for?
5450 HDMI > AVR input2 ( so as to make ati drivers to recognize AVR ?)

Thanks for your help.
post #2346 of 3674
Onboard
DVI to ACER 24" LCD
HDMI to AVR

5450
DVI to projector
HDMI to AVR

This way I can test functions of Intel audio verses ATI audio. All I have to do once computer is booted up with AVR on and Intel hdmi is enabled, is switch between the two with the AVR. Of course this won't work during playback of video.
post #2347 of 3674
OK, your purpose is to make a comparison between audio performances of ati and intel.


But my purpose is to watch video over nVidea while getting HD audio via onboard Intel.
post #2348 of 3674
Yes, that works too. Your 5770 won't do that?
post #2349 of 3674
Quote:
Originally Posted by Davinleeds View Post

Yes, that works too. Your 5770 won't do that?

My route is:
Quote:


Onboard HDMI > AVR (HDMI 1 in) -for audio
5770 DVI > TV HDMI 1 in -for video

Get audio but no video.
post #2350 of 3674
Intel and ATI HDMI will not work at the same time because they are audio enabled by playback devices.

So you can have only one HDMI at a time. Use it for audio. Use the dvi of either for video.

Use Intel HDMI to AVR and DVI of Nvidia for video.
post #2351 of 3674
Quote:
Originally Posted by Davinleeds View Post

Intel and ATI HDMI will not work at the same time because they are audio enabled by playback devices.

So you can have only one HDMI at a time. Use it for audio. Use the dvi of either for video.

Use Intel HDMI to AVR and DVI of Nvidia for video.

I know.

So if you noticed i used DVI for video over ati and HDMI over onboard intel. (see my previous post)
But?
What am i missing?
post #2352 of 3674
Can you make Nvidia DVI your primary display? Does it show up in screen resolution? Minimize browser and right click on screen, click screen resolution. Is nvidia display available?
post #2353 of 3674
You know i can't try it with an nVidia card for now but an ati 5770.
post #2354 of 3674
Yes, sorry. What's your screens for the ATI and the Intel? Like my 1st image in post 2344.
post #2355 of 3674
I have nothing to give you for now sorry.
I have lots of isssues here.
And it's 5.00 am here.
Tomorrow.
Thanks for your patience.
post #2356 of 3674
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Originally Posted by Hogweed75 View Post

So are you saying that you have bitstreaming working for all high def codecs (DD TrueHD & DTSHD MA)? I never did get my ASRock mb working with those codecs and gave up and sent it back. The video of Bluray's and especially SD DVD's was excellent. DD and DTS worked perfectly. I thought I'd try the Asus and I'm also purchasing a Gefen HDMI Detective to keep around.


I was finally able to get bistreaming of HD audio to work with my AsRock mobo and i3 using TMT .170. There was a post in the arcsoft forums stating that using reclock 1.8.6.4 fixed the issue. I installed reclock and thankfully found a post here that also mentioned that you have to also enable the checkbox for Accept Bitsream formats (not recommended) and voila bitstreaming with DTS-MA and True HD now work in TMT both standalone and via Media Center.

I'm torn now though, as I have had MPC-HC bitstreaming flawlessly for a few weeks and am not sure if I will continue to use MPC-HC or move to TMT since I paid for it
post #2357 of 3674
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Originally Posted by John M Miller View Post

I'm having all sorts of problems with my Gigabyte H55M-S2H and Onkyo TX-SR805 receiver.

First, I cannot get audio to output via HDMI. I have installed the Intel Audio update (2086), which I know was causing some problems with ASRock mobos. I right-clicked on volume and went into "Playback devices". In there I see a device labelled "TX-SR805" which is my Onkyo receiver. This is set to "Enabled". It shows that the HTPC is trying to output audio (the volume meter shows activity). Under "Jack information" it says "HDMI Digital Jack". I've been struggling with this for awhile.

Also I have problems on system restarts even getting a picture from my receiver. Once the HTPC starts up I have to switch the receiver over to another input and then back to the HTPC. Any advice on that? I've been spinning my wheels for days about this.

I have had similar problems with my setup. Check out my thread here. I've seen this work for a few different people so far.
post #2358 of 3674
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Originally Posted by snoop01 View Post

I was finally able to get bistreaming of HD audio to work with my AsRock mobo and i3 using TMT .170. There was a post in the arcsoft forums stating that using reclock 1.8.6.4 fixed the issue. I installed reclock and thankfully found a post here that also mentioned that you have to also enable the checkbox for Accept Bitsream formats (not recommended) and voila bitstreaming with DTS-MA and True HD now work in TMT both standalone and via Media Center.

I'm torn now though, as I have had MPC-HC bitstreaming flawlessly for a few weeks and am not sure if I will continue to use MPC-HC or move to TMT since I paid for it

So you're saying that you couldn't get tmt3 (170) working on the ASRock mb without Reclock? Interesting! I finally RMA'd mine back to Newegg after ASRock Taiwan emailed me saying that they do having bitstreaming working with PDVD9.0.2202.0 but not with tmt3(170). Here is the email I received from ASRock on 3-11-10.

(From ASRock USA)
"Dear costumer,
I have not received any more information about it.
Since ASrock Taiwan Support mentioned an email this issue is software issue and said the ASrock model works fine.
Please check the last email recieved today from Taiwan .

(From Taiwan)
Good day.

After verification, we found the root cause is the version of Power DVD 9 Ultra.

With retailed version, here we got 9.0.1501.0 from disc installation and patches 9.0.2320.0/ 9.0.2528.51.
All three of them failed to output these formats (Dolby True HD / DTS-HD Master Audio).

However, with special version from Cyberlink - 9.0.2202.0, it's available to select "Non-detected high-definition audio to external device" in output mode.
Manually download and update to 9.0.2528.51 : Failed. (There is only two options for output mode).

We've tested with ASUS MB with the same results.

The conclusion is that H55M Pro hardware does support outputting the formats, and we believe that it may be the AP issue.

Since the user has bought Power DVD 9, he has the rights to contact Cyberlink for supports.
We will keep tracking the issue with Cyberlink for the solution at the meantime.

Please help pass the information above to the user.
If there is any feedback, please kindly let us know.

Thank you for your cooperation. "

Funny thing is I contacted them because tmt3(170) was not bitstreaming and they responded that I had a problem with PDVD9. Oh well.


Also I received this information from them on 3-10-10:
ASRock TSD



"Duplicated
Verification

From
RD Jason and Sa

Board
H55M Pro, ASUS P7H-55M Pro

Configuration
CPU : i5 661

OS : XP and Win 7 64bit

AP : TMT3 with Patch 170, PowerDVD 9 Ultra

Problem description
Verify if it's available to output lossless audio.

TSD action
A. With XP,

Both TMT and PowerDVD show an error message, ask to update drivers.

UpdateGFX drvier to 14.42.0.5237 (Latest) : Same results.

Use Cyberlink BD-Advisor tool to check, it claims that the graphc card (Intel HD Graphic) is not available for playing BD.

Please refer to attached picture for details.



B. Test the feature with ASUS MB (GB is occupied.) under Win 7 64 bit.

Install PowerDVD 9 retailed version,

B-1. 9.0.1501.0 : Failed (Only 2 options in settings > Audio > Ouput mode)

B-2. 9.0.2320.0 : Same result

B-3. 9.0.2528.51(Latest) : Failed.

B-4. Update GFX driver to 15.16.9.2082 : Failed.

B-5. Update GFX driver to 15.17.1.2086 :Failed

Status
03/10

There is no feedback from Cyberlink so far." (End of ASRock info)


I seemed to be having an EDID problem with the driver not recognizing that my AVR (Emotiva UMC-1) would do 8 channels and it seemed like I was having a PAVP with it. After 3 weeks I gave up and sent the mb back.
post #2359 of 3674
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hogweed75 View Post

So you're saying that you couldn't get tmt3 (170) working on the ASRock mb without Reclock? Interesting! I finally RMA'd mine back to Newegg after ASRock Taiwan emailed me saying that they do having bitstreaming working with PDVD9.0.2202.0 but not with tmt3(170). Here is the email I received from ASRock on 3-11-10.

(From ASRock USA)
"Dear costumer,
I have not received any more information about it.
Since ASrock Taiwan Support mentioned an email this issue is software issue and said the ASrock model works fine.
Please check the last email recieved today from Taiwan .

(From Taiwan)
Good day.

After verification, we found the root cause is the version of Power DVD 9 Ultra.

With retailed version, here we got 9.0.1501.0 from disc installation and patches 9.0.2320.0/ 9.0.2528.51.
All three of them failed to output these formats (Dolby True HD / DTS-HD Master Audio).

However, with special version from Cyberlink - 9.0.2202.0, it's available to select "Non-detected high-definition audio to external device" in output mode.
Manually download and update to 9.0.2528.51 : Failed. (There is only two options for output mode).

We've tested with ASUS MB with the same results.

The conclusion is that H55M Pro hardware does support outputting the formats, and we believe that it may be the AP issue.

Since the user has bought Power DVD 9, he has the rights to contact Cyberlink for supports.
We will keep tracking the issue with Cyberlink for the solution at the meantime.

Please help pass the information above to the user.
If there is any feedback, please kindly let us know.

Thank you for your cooperation. "

Funny thing is I contacted them because tmt3(170) was not bitstreaming and they responded that I had a problem with PDVD9. Oh well.


Also I received this information from them on 3-10-10:
ASRock TSD



"Duplicated
Verification

From
RD Jason and Sa

Board
H55M Pro, ASUS P7H-55M Pro

Configuration
CPU : i5 661

OS : XP and Win 7 64bit

AP : TMT3 with Patch 170, PowerDVD 9 Ultra

Problem description
Verify if it's available to output lossless audio.

TSD action
A. With XP,

Both TMT and PowerDVD show an error message, ask to update drivers.

UpdateGFX drvier to 14.42.0.5237 (Latest) : Same results.

Use Cyberlink BD-Advisor tool to check, it claims that the graphc card (Intel HD Graphic) is not available for playing BD.

Please refer to attached picture for details.



B. Test the feature with ASUS MB (GB is occupied.) under Win 7 64 bit.

Install PowerDVD 9 retailed version,

B-1. 9.0.1501.0 : Failed (Only 2 options in settings > Audio > Ouput mode)

B-2. 9.0.2320.0 : Same result

B-3. 9.0.2528.51(Latest) : Failed.

B-4. Update GFX driver to 15.16.9.2082 : Failed.

B-5. Update GFX driver to 15.17.1.2086 :Failed

Status
03/10

There is no feedback from Cyberlink so far." (End of ASRock info)


I seemed to be having an EDID problem with the driver not recognizing that my AVR (Emotiva UMC-1) would do 8 channels and it seemed like I was having a PAVP with it. After 3 weeks I gave up and sent the mb back.

Correct, I had been trying for a couple of weeks to get TMT working with the AsRock mobo but was able to have HD audio while using MPC-HC using ffdshow so I figured the issue was not with the mobo at this point. Once I installed reclock and set the checkbox in the reclock configuration for bitstream formats I was able to use TMT to play back media and have the True HD and DTS MA light up on my Onkyo 606.

From this experience I would guess that there is an issue with the TMT software when used with the AsRock mobo.
post #2360 of 3674
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Originally Posted by snoop01 View Post

Correct, I had been trying for a couple of weeks to get TMT working with the AsRock mobo but was able to have HD audio while using MPC-HC using ffdshow so I figured the issue was not with the mobo at this point. Once I installed reclock and set the checkbox in the reclock configuration for bitstream formats I was able to use TMT to play back media and have the True HD and DTS MA light up on my Onkyo 606.

From this experience I would guess that there is an issue with the TMT software when used with the AsRock mobo.

It's not just ASRock. I have an I3-530 with Biostar H55 MB and it plays back the HD audio flawlessly with MPC + FFDSHOW but in TMT3, nothing but silence.

TMT3 will playback DD/AC3 from blurays, it'll even output the HD Audio as DD/AC3 when I select "Dolby Digital mixing" but it won't bitstream the HD audio.

Thanks for the tip on reclock, I'll try that when I get home to see if it solves the problem.

My main player will remain MPC-HC/FFDSHOW loaded from XBMC for all my movies after they've been ripped to the HDD but I like to have TMT3 as a backup/reference player for comparison. It's also good if the wife and kids bring home a new disc and want immediate playback before I have ripped it.
post #2361 of 3674
I have the i3-540 and the asus P7H55D M EVO and the only way I can bitstream the audio using TMT3 is to use latest version of reclock 1864
Using MPC and ffdshow bitstreamed no problem with or without reclock.
post #2362 of 3674
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TigerTrain View Post

I have the i3-540 and the asus P7H55D M EVO and the only way I can bitstream the audio using TMT3 is to use latest version of reclock 1864
Using MPC and ffdshow bitstreamed no problem with or without reclock.

Hmm... did you install Intel MEI driver?
post #2363 of 3674
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

Hmm... did you install Intel MEI driver?

Is this MEI driver something I should install,I am using Win7 64 ultimate.
post #2364 of 3674
Quote:
Originally Posted by TigerTrain View Post

Is this MEI driver something I should install,I am using Win7 64 ultimate.

Yes, you need MEI for PAVP to work properly.
post #2365 of 3674
Tested with Reclock and now TMT3 .170 will bitstream the HD audio. Without Reclock, it's either silence, or a slight buzzing.

With reclock and TMT3, it's great. Playing 2012 on Bluray, TMT3 was using 0-2% CPU and reclock was using 1% CPU while outputting DTS HD MA and 1080p. This was while I was also ripping a movie from disc with eac3to!

MEI driver isn't an option on my system (i3-530 / H55 MB). When I try to run the setup, it says it's that my system doesn't meet the minimum requirements.

I'm happy with reclock, just need to figure out how to set it to default to 60hz to match my TV.
post #2366 of 3674
Thread Starter 
So a rule of thumb is: If you install the Intel MEI (Management Engine Interface) Driver, you will get HD audio bitstreaming with every player supporting HD audio bitstreaming. If you don't install the driver, you won't. Here is a summary of HD audio bitstreaming capability:
  MEI Driver installed MEI Driver NOT installed
TMT3 Yes No
TMT3 + ReClock Yes Yes
PowerDVD 9/10 Yes No
WinDVD 2010 Pro Yes Yes
ffdshow Yes Yes
Here is a problem: You can't install the Intel MEI driver in every H55/H57 motherboard!
  • The motherboard you CAN install the Intel MEI Driver in without problem:

    • ASUS
    • GIGABYTE
    • Intel
    • MSI
    • Zotac

  • The motherboard you CANNOT install the Intel MEI Driver in with the error message "This computer does not meet the minimum requirements to install the software". These motherboards may (or may not) be suffering from a fundamental design flaw and you'd better avoid them if HD audio bitstreaming with TMT/PowerDVD is one of your goals.

    • ASRock. Edit: The second gen ASRock mb (usually equipped with USB 3.0) fixed it.
    • BIOSTAR
post #2367 of 3674
Quote:
Originally Posted by David602 View Post


MEI driver isn't an option on my system (i3-530 / H55 MB). When I try to run the setup, it says it's that my system doesn't meet the minimum requirements.

You might be able to do an admin install to get around system checks, then install the driver directly.
post #2368 of 3674
Thread Starter 
"admin install": what's this? If you mean "Run as administrator", then it won't work with these mb.
post #2369 of 3674
Quote:
Originally Posted by renethx View Post

"admin install": what's this? If you mean "Run as administrator", then it won't work with these mb.

setup.msi /a

Usually unpacks the contents of the installer so they can be accessed directly.
post #2370 of 3674
Quote:
Originally Posted by babgvant View Post

Yes, you need MEI for PAVP to work properly.

Well I just installed the MEI from Intel and sure enough the bitstream of DTS MAster and True Dolby now work using TMT3
I no longer need Reclock
Thanks for suggesting this
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