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post #2431 of 3675
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Originally Posted by beaups View Post

I've never lost 16-22 either. My display requires 16-235 and I've been able to see all ranges with similar display settings to my cable box...and no tweaking in the intel software.

Can't use 2086 as it outputs 0-255 over HDMI.

Found lots of settings in the registry. My guess is we could do some tweaking in there if needed.

ah, that's what I was missing. I want 0-255 over hdmi, and that's what its outputting, so I didn't notice any problems.
post #2432 of 3675
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Originally Posted by lance_60031 View Post

Would this be a fairly good build - its a combo from Newegg that would help me since I am challenged about the compatibility:


1. Antec M FusionRemote 350:$89.99
2. ASUS M4A785-M:$79.99
3. AMD HDZ720WFK3DGI:$104.99
4. G.SKILL F2-6400CL5D-2GBNQ:$52.99
5. G.SKILL F2-6400CL5D-2GBNQ:$52.99
6. Seagate ST31000528AS:$89.99
7. LG ELECTRONICS CH08LS10:$99.99

Would be looking to display some vids from the PC onto a 65 panny plasma.

I would ask your question at this thread as your build has nothing to do with the topic of this thread (i.e. core i3/i5/i7)

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post18356995
post #2433 of 3675
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Originally Posted by babgvant View Post

Each driver release has clipped above 16 (i.e. 17-22ish = 16) and had issues with being too dark by default. If you override the brightness setting on the Media tab of the settings tool to the correct value for your display the clipping issue goes away. As a side effect BTB/WTW also become visible. IMO clipping BTB/WTW is not really an issue, but it's nice when it's there. The "right" brightness value for my display has changed (and not for the better in the most recent rev) b/w driver versions, which is annoying.

That said, after applying the brightness fix levels are consistent and correct for all of the content and all of the players (except the most recent rev of TMT during BD playback - which ArcSoft has acknowledged as an issue with TMT) I've tested.

Can you be a bit more specific? How exactly do you override the brightness setting? How do you know what is the correct value for your display?

I'm definitely having issues with things being too dark. And I've just been spinning my wheels adjusting my display.

Also, what do you do with TMT3? Toggle back and forth on your display driver settings? This is the only player besides WMC that I use. Do they plan to fix it with the next release?

I'm running the latest .2086 drivers at the moment... I've had this issue on (I think) every release I've tried... although I have not tried every driver version, just a couple.
post #2434 of 3675
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Originally Posted by woody777 View Post

Can you be a bit more specific? How exactly do you override the brightness setting? How do you know what is the correct value for your display?

If this isn't clear, LMK and I'll try to explain more.

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Originally Posted by woody777 View Post


Also, what do you do with TMT3? Toggle back and forth on your display driver settings? This is the only player besides WMC that I use. Do they plan to fix it with the next release?

You can calibrate to BD in TMT (using the method linked above), but then everything else is wrong. I expect that they will fix it ASAP, but I haven't heard any ETA.
post #2435 of 3675
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Originally Posted by babgvant View Post

If this isn't clear, LMK and I'll try to explain more.



You can calibrate to BD in TMT (using the method linked above), but then everything else is wrong. I expect that they will fix it ASAP, but I haven't heard any ETA.

Thanks man! Do you know which versions of the Intel driver are already correct? Or is it just easier to adjust the brightness anyway? I guess either way, TMT3 will be wrong until they fix it...
post #2436 of 3675
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Originally Posted by wordgasm View Post

I'll have to look.. I've read what video mode you have that hdmi input set on and many other things.

Are you getting OSD when watching a BluRay thru TMT3 or another?

Just to confirm... I am able to get OSD for volume and movie/music information when watching Blu-rays in TMT3.

I also unfortunately get these annoying little blue sparkles... which is why I disabled OSD in the first place. It seems to mostly affect 806 models, but a few 706s - mine included - have problems. Hope yours doesn't!

I don't really see any other settings that correspond to OSD. If it helps, I'm using the DVD input and have HDMI set to pass through.
post #2437 of 3675
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Originally Posted by woody777 View Post

Just to confirm... I am able to get OSD for volume and movie/music information when watching Blu-rays in TMT3.

I also unfortunately get these annoying little blue sparkles... which is why I disabled OSD in the first place. It seems to mostly affect 806 models, but a few 706s - mine included - have problems. Hope yours doesn't!

I don't really see any other settings that correspond to OSD. If it helps, I'm using the DVD input and have HDMI set to pass through.

Thanks! now that I know it's possible ... I'm on a mission! There will be one setting between the 3 pieces of gear involved that needs changed ....Let me see that only means 3324 combinations! I think I'll start with turning off Aero
post #2438 of 3675
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Originally Posted by woody777 View Post

Thanks man! Do you know which versions of the Intel driver are already correct? Or is it just easier to adjust the brightness anyway? I guess either way, TMT3 will be wrong until they fix it...

Far as I remember all except the first and last one, output video levels. I know I've tried them all. But yeah, of course you can adjust it either way. I had read that link before purchasing so it didn't surprise me to have to adjust for that. But I'm use to it considering how many video cards and drivers I've messed with over the years. But mine hasn't ever been dark, it was too bright.

TMT did confuse me though when I first tried it, with that latest version. I guess I didn't read the right forum or threads to know they had that problem. But I did know it wasn't correct or either everyone else was wrong.
post #2439 of 3675
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Originally Posted by babgvant View Post

I may have my AVR configured to pass enhanced instead of limited RGB (levels with my previous GPU were all jacked w/o that enabled).

The AVR was configured for for enhanced RGB, but changing it had no effect so I have no idea why we see different results -- just one of those things I guess
post #2440 of 3675
Good news for anyone interested in the HDCP issue with Denon 1909s Intel suggested that I pick up a 15' HDMI cable to allow the Denon's SI chip more time to respond. Got the cable today and was able to watch a BD without any HDCP issues.
post #2441 of 3675
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Originally Posted by woody777 View Post

Thanks man! Do you know which versions of the Intel driver are already correct? Or is it just easier to adjust the brightness anyway? I guess either way, TMT3 will be wrong until they fix it...

I've had to adjust them all, but 2032 -> 2082 needed a lot less.
post #2442 of 3675
Your receiver could very well be mucking up the image and causing the loss of 16-22 you describe. I read in the ATI forums that this is happening with Denon receivers. FYI.
post #2443 of 3675
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Originally Posted by beaups View Post

Your receiver could very well be mucking up the image and causing the loss of 16-22 you describe. I read in the ATI forums that this is happening with Denon receivers. FYI.

If it were, I wouldn't be able to configure it away on the PC (and Intel wouldn't have confirmed the issue).
post #2444 of 3675
What type of CPU usage should I be seeing during BD playback? My system is:

i3 530
ASUS P7H55-M Pro
4GB DDR3 1333 RAM

Right now I sit between 17%-30% which seems as if hardware acceleration is not happening.
post #2445 of 3675
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Originally Posted by In2Photos View Post

What type of CPU usage should I be seeing during BD playback? My system is:

Right now I sit between 17%-30% which seems as if hardware acceleration is not happening.

0-10% depending on A/V codec. What player are you using?
post #2446 of 3675
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Originally Posted by babgvant View Post

0-10% depending on A/V codec. What player are you using?

Right now I am attempting to use the built in player in MediaPortal. I'm running the SAF codec pack they support and have PDVD9 decoders assigned for the MPEG-2 and H264 options.
post #2447 of 3675
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Originally Posted by In2Photos View Post

Right now I am attempting to use the built in player in MediaPortal. I'm running the SAF codec pack they support and have PDVD9 decoders assigned for the MPEG-2 and H264 options.

The first time you playback a VC-1 and AVC m2ts/ts file (do this once for AVC and again for VC-1) in PDVD it will ask you if you want to disable their VPP features. If you agree to always disable and check don't ask again it will enable HWA for the filters outside of PDVD.
post #2448 of 3675
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Originally Posted by babgvant View Post

If it were, I wouldn't be able to configure it away on the PC (and Intel wouldn't have confirmed the issue).

You would be able to configure it away on the PC as long as no device in the chain was clipping levels (at least any more than they have been clipped).
Adjusting your AVR setting should have some effect. If you are seeing no effect than something is amiss. What kind of display do you have? Where are the brightness and contrast controls set on that display? Does it accept both video and PC levels? What is it set to?

It seems like there is some kind of extra level expansion going on: you report that 2086 drivers (PC levels) require less adjustment than prior versions (video levels). To me, this shows that you are adjusting to reverse expansion.

If, for example, your AVR expanded the source, the 2086 drivers outputting PC levels, would look okay on your display if you preemptively compressed the source on your PC.

The question is, where is that extra expansion taking place? Every device in the chain has to be prepared to accept the levels that are input and output. If not, there is opportunity for extra expansion (or compression).
post #2449 of 3675
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Originally Posted by babgvant View Post

If it were, I wouldn't be able to configure it away on the PC (and Intel wouldn't have confirmed the issue).

Of course you could configure it out with the pc. by cranking brightness on the pc you are raising the 16-22 levels up to higher levels to compensate for your receiver chopping it back off.

just for giggles, try plugging your pc directly into the tv to see if the results are different
post #2450 of 3675
Hi guys,

Does anyone use eac3to to rip the blu-rays and have the same issue as mine?
I use eac3to command lines(or Another eac3to GUI) and MakeMKV to rip my blu-rays.
But, while the mkvs made in MakeMKV plays fine, the ones made with eac3to shutters so badly like I push the Play/Pause button continuously.

Odd thing is that if I remux the mkv made in MakeMKV(which plays fine) WITHOUT any change using mkvmerge, then the resulting mkv shows the same problem with the ones made with eac3to. Shouldn't the original mkv from MakeMKV and the remuxed one without changes be exactly the same?

Also, when I play the video only mkv from eac3to before I remux it, it plays fine(, obviously without audio.)

I rip only the main video and DTSHD audio track and chapters.
It seems like the DTSHD track is the problem since when I disable the bitstream or rip the DTS core, there's no such problem.

I don't know this problem is a ripping issue or playback issue.
I use MPC-HC to play and have Windows 7 Professional with Haali, ffdshow installed.

Thanks.
post #2451 of 3675
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Originally Posted by armian98 View Post

Hi guys,

Does anyone use eac3to to rip the blu-rays and have the same issue as mine?
I use eac3to command lines(or Another eac3to GUI) and MakeMKV to rip my blu-rays.
But, while the mkvs made in MakeMKV plays fine, the ones made with eac3to shutters so badly like I push the Play/Pause button continuously.

Odd thing is that if I remux the mkv made in MakeMKV(which plays fine) WITHOUT any change using mkvmerge, then the resulting mkv shows the same problem with the ones made with eac3to. Shouldn't the original mkv from MakeMKV and the remuxed one without changes be exactly the same?

Also, when I play the video only mkv from eac3to before I remux it, it plays fine(, obviously without audio.)

I rip only the main video and DTSHD audio track and chapters.
It seems like the DTSHD track is the problem since when I disable the bitstream or rip the DTS core, there's no such problem.

I don't know this problem is a ripping issue or playback issue.
I use MPC-HC to play and have Windows 7 Professional with Haali, ffdshow installed.

Thanks.

Haali and DTS-MA don't get along to well. Try disabling Haali in MPC-HC and see if it works.
post #2452 of 3675
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Originally Posted by beaups View Post

Of course you could configure it out with the pc. by cranking brightness on the pc you are raising the 16-22 levels up to higher levels to compensate for your receiver chopping it back off.

Sorry if I wasn't clear. Clicking the "Override Application Settings" in the Media tab w/o moving the brightness slider makes BTB visible in the pattern.

Also, the AVR doesn't know the difference b/w video and picture content viewed on the PC, to it (and every other downstream device) it's all RGB bits. If the AVR was clipping it would be indiscriminate; crushing pictures and video where even w/o adjusting brightness for "Media" PC levels are maintained for picture content.
post #2453 of 3675
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Originally Posted by Lawguy View Post

You would be able to configure it away on the PC as long as no device in the chain was clipping levels (at least any more than they have been clipped).
Adjusting your AVR setting should have some effect. If you are seeing no effect than something is amiss. What kind of display do you have? Where are the brightness and contrast controls set on that display? Does it accept both video and PC levels? What is it set to?

After thinking about it some more I remembered that the 1909 is supposed to pass-through HDMI untouched, so the enhanced/limited setting may just effect analog video inputs that are converted for transmission over HDMI to my 1080p Panasonic 42" plasma.

For reference the display was calibrated with PowerDVD 9 running on a ATI 4650 using the S&M BD disc as well as the patterns found on AVS (Basic Settings.mp4, etc) then brightness/contrast settings were confirmed with a Sigma 8635 based media streamer (SageTV HD200).

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Originally Posted by Lawguy View Post


It seems like there is some kind of extra level expansion going on: you report that 2086 drivers (PC levels) require less adjustment than prior versions (video levels). To me, this shows that you are adjusting to reverse expansion.

I reported the opposite; 2025 and 2086 need more correction than the revs in b/w (~18.x v. ~6.x)
post #2454 of 3675
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Originally Posted by babgvant View Post

I reported the opposite; 2025 and 2086 need more correction than the revs in b/w (~18.x v. ~6.x)

Then the opposite seems true: compression, not expansion.

Can you toggle HDMI settings on your Panny?
post #2455 of 3675
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Originally Posted by Lawguy View Post

Then the opposite seems true: compression, not expansion.

Can you toggle HDMI settings on your Panny?

I don't think so; if there is I haven't changed it from the default. If the AVR and/or TV were mucking (or clipping 16-21) they should also effect the media streamer as well.
post #2456 of 3675
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Originally Posted by duff99 View Post

Haali and DTS-MA don't get along to well. Try disabling Haali in MPC-HC and see if it works.

I always thought it was an issue with mkvmerge which didn't make valid mkvs containing DTSHD data which MakeMKV does. I'm guessing the issue is that the data isn't multiplexed properly. The encoding doesn't use Haali but it could be based on its code that doesn't handle DTSHD.
post #2457 of 3675
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Originally Posted by babgvant View Post

If this isn't clear, LMK and I'll try to explain more.



You can calibrate to BD in TMT (using the method linked above), but then everything else is wrong. I expect that they will fix it ASAP, but I haven't heard any ETA.


Really appreciate this. My TV has been really dark since I got the clarkdale and I thought the lamp was going out. I also bought a new TV (60" Sharp Aquos LCD 120hz) and I'd like to calibrate it.

I'm a bit confused by your review vs. your commentary here in the forum:

A) Are you suggesting that the best way is to "override the application settings" and then calibrate the settings (brightness, etc.) via the Intel control panel?

OR

B) Select override application settings, leave Intel settings as-is and then calibrate using the TV's options?

Thanks!
post #2458 of 3675
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Originally Posted by David602 View Post


A) Are you suggesting that the best way is to "override the application settings" and then calibrate the settings (brightness, etc.) via the Intel control panel?

OR

B) Select override application settings, leave Intel settings as-is and then calibrate using the TV's options?

A, especially if you have anything else connected to the display using the same input (i.e. everything goes through the AVR).
post #2459 of 3675
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Originally Posted by babgvant View Post

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Originally Posted by David602 View Post

A) Are you suggesting that the best way is to "override the application settings" and then calibrate the settings (brightness, etc.) via the Intel control panel?

OR

B) Select override application settings, leave Intel settings as-is and then calibrate using the TV's options?

Thanks!

A, especially if you have anything else connected to the display using the same input (i.e. everything goes through the AVR).

That's how I adjusted for the terrible black levels. Worked like a charm.
post #2460 of 3675
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Originally Posted by beaups View Post

try plugging your pc directly into the tv to see if the results are different

No difference, everything was the same.
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