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Originally Posted by andersa View Post

I have an Integra 9.8 preamp/processor.

gotcha.. well i guess that isnt the issue...
post #3362 of 3674
Has anyone tried using DTBAddin with the i3 to auto switch resolution in Media Center? I would like it to mainly switch to 24 when I play a BluRay with TMT3 through Media Center.

Which I guess brings another question. Does 24p work corretly with the i3? Thought I read somewhere their was issues with it.
post #3363 of 3674
The addin will only work with files that play in 7MC. Selecting 23/24 Hz both yield 24.000Hz output so they don't do 24p correctly.
post #3364 of 3674
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Originally Posted by babgvant View Post

The addin will only work with files that play in 7MC. Selecting 23/24 Hz both yield 24.000Hz output so they don't do 24p correctly.

So another words playing a BluRay that is ripped as standard BluRay folders is a no go.

Guess I will stick to 60hz for everything then. It really doesn't bother be but I have noticed a couple of movies where slow pans are very jumpy, then it other movies they are fine, must be something in how they are coded I guess.
post #3365 of 3674
I wouldn't say that it is a "no go". Displaying 23.976fps material at 24.000fps just means that most of the time, the frames will be displayed for 1/24th of a second, but approximately once every 42 seconds, a frame will be displayed for 2/24ths of a second. Depending on what is happening, you may not even notice it, but there are definitely times that I see it. It is something that Intel should address and fix, and not sweep under the carpet with excuses like "it is close enough" or "most people won't notice it".
post #3366 of 3674
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Originally Posted by Mopar_Mudder View Post

So another words playing a BluRay that is ripped as standard BluRay folders is a no go.

Guess I will stick to 60hz for everything then. It really doesn't bother be but I have noticed a couple of movies where slow pans are very jumpy, then it other movies they are fine, must be something in how they are coded I guess.

If you can live with the 24 vs 23.976 problem and this is a pure HTPC you could configure the desktop for 24 and then set MC to 60 (using the display wizard). That way anything played using MC will play at 60 and when TMT kicks in for BD it will play at 24.

Both the standalone and MC integrated TMT players use the desktop resolution and refresh rate rather than MC'S fullscreen setting.

Wo0zy
post #3367 of 3674
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Originally Posted by Wo0zy View Post

If you can live with the 24 vs 23.976 problem and this is a pure HTPC you could configure the desktop for 24 and then set MC to 60 (using the display wizard). That way anything played using MC will play at 60 and when TMT kicks in for BD it will play at 24.

Both the standalone and MC integrated TMT players use the desktop resolution and refresh rate rather than MC'S fullscreen setting.

Wo0zy

Good idea I did not realize that. It really is mainly a HTPC that might once in a blue moon get a little web browsing. I would be happy with a 24 desk top except for the choppy movementin MC, but stting that to 60 should fix that right up. Thanks again I will give it a try.
post #3368 of 3674
Has anyone tried the 2202 Drivers yet?
post #3369 of 3674
Thread Starter 
  H67 H61 P67 H57 H55 P55
Socket LAG1155 LAG1155 LAG1155 LAG1156 LAG1156 LAG1156
DMI (CPU bus) Gen2 Gen2 Gen2 Gen1 Gen1 Gen1
FDI (video) Yes Yes No Yes Yes No
PCI Express 2.0 on CPU 1x16 1x16 1x16 or 2x8 1x16 or 2x8 (Lynn) 1x16 or 2x8 (Lynn) 1x16 or 2x8
PCI Express 2.0 on PCH 8 (5Gbps) 6 (5Gbps) 8 (5Gbps) 8 (2.5Gb/s) 6 (2.5Gb/s) 8 (2.5Gb/s)
PCI No No No 4 4 4
SATA 2.0 4 4 4 6 6 6
SATA 3.0 2 0 2 0 0 0
AHCI Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
RAID 0/1/5/10 Yes No Yes Yes No Yes
USB 2.0 14 10 14 14 12 14
USB 3.0 - - - - - -

Intel's P67, H67 and H61 chipsets will lack native PCI support
post #3370 of 3674
^^^ Might be time for you to start a Sandy Bridge info thread
post #3371 of 3674
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Originally Posted by Lawguy View Post

Has anyone tried the 2202 Drivers yet?

Not yet. I'll give them a shot tonight.
post #3372 of 3674
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Originally Posted by Lawguy View Post

Has anyone tried the 2202 Drivers yet?

Did some quick testing with gfx drivers 2202. It still has the 24.000 vs 23.976 bug; I see the repeated frame every 42 seconds.

Things seem to work OK with BD playback bitstreaming HD codecs, DVD playback, live ATSC, and basic Windows stuff.
post #3373 of 3674
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

Intel's P67, H67 and H61 chipsets will lack native PCI support

Nooooooooooooooooo, what about my 2 PCI DVB-S2 cards then

Any word on a 3D Bray driver for H55 in the meantime?
As it would seem I will be stuck on that platform for the above mentioned reason, so I reaaaaally want this driver to come through...

Edit: OOps, didn't actually read the article before... Thankfully there will be a PCIe to PCI adapter on most mainboards outside of the Intel chipset
post #3374 of 3674
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Originally Posted by DisTreSs View Post

Any word on a 3D Bray driver for H55 in the meantime?

Doubt you'll see it, ever.
And even if it comes out, will be way after the sandy bridge release.
post #3375 of 3674
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Originally Posted by Nevcairiel View Post

Doubt you'll see it, ever.
And even if it comes out, will be way after the sandy bridge release.

Actually, PowerDVD is able to play 3D Blu-Rays on a 3D TV with the current drivers (They use the 2 x HD decode capability to help with the MVC decode -- so there is a little bit of CPU penalty, but not much).
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Originally Posted by jakmal View Post

Actually, PowerDVD is able to play 3D Blu-Rays on a 3D TV with the current drivers (They use the 2 x HD decode capability to help with the MVC decode -- so there is a little bit of CPU penalty, but not much).

I know Intel HD Graphics supports MVC decode. But does it support HDMI 1.4a 3D video signals, in particular frame packing 1920x2160 with the current driver/the current PowerDVD patch?

A "3D TV" is a bit ambiguous. It can be TI's 3D DLP, interlaced 3D (both are already supported by PowerDVD) or the newer HDMI 1.4 3D.
post #3377 of 3674
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

...or the newer HDMI 1.4 3D.

That's what I would like to know too...
Going to dig around with regards to PowerDVD now
Beats waiting around for Intel anyway so here's hoping they can do it somehow.
post #3378 of 3674
HDMI 1.4 will at least need driver support, which is not here yet, if it will ever be. In the worst case, the hardware just does not support HDMI 1.4

The other methods of 3D are basically "cheats" to get it into an existing technology, and they will be supported on any HDMI 1.3 card (that is powerful enough to decode the streams)
post #3379 of 3674
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Yeah, TI's 3D DLP and interlaced 3D use HDMI 1.3. If PowerDVD supports DLP-Link glasses (in fact it does not yet), we should be able to use any graphics card + a good processor (for MVC decode) for 3D DLP.
post #3380 of 3674
Aside from the 24p issue, can the i3 + H55 combo play BDROM seamlessly without stuttering and BD protection issue?
post #3381 of 3674
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Originally Posted by echoesian View Post

Aside from the 24p issue, can the i3 + H55 combo play BDROM seamlessly without stuttering and BD protection issue?

Yes, I am doing this every weekend. i3 + h55 on MCE + TMT.
post #3382 of 3674
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

I know Intel HD Graphics supports MVC decode. But does it support HDMI 1.4a 3D video signals, in particular frame packing 1920x2160 with the current driver/the current PowerDVD patch?

A "3D TV" is a bit ambiguous. It can be TI's 3D DLP, interlaced 3D (both are already supported by PowerDVD) or the newer HDMI 1.4 3D.

renethx, you are correct, but AFAIK, there is no 3D Blu-Ray encoded with 1920x2160 frame packing. I am very open to correction in this observation. Please do link me to such a Blu-Ray if you are aware of any, as it will be an interesting addition to our tests.

I was also pointing out to Tom (Cyberlink) in person that PowerDVD MVC decode using 2 x HD decode of GPU may run into issues if there is a 3D PiP (picture-in-picture), but he said that there is no commercial Blu-Ray with such a feature.
post #3383 of 3674
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Originally Posted by jakmal View Post

renethx, you are correct, but AFAIK, there is no 3D Blu-Ray encoded with 1920x2160 frame packing. I am very open to correction in this observation. Please do link me to such a Blu-Ray if you are aware of any, as it will be an interesting addition to our tests.

I was also pointing out to Tom (Cyberlink) in person that PowerDVD MVC decode using 2 x HD decode of GPU may run into issues if there is a 3D PiP (picture-in-picture), but he said that there is no commercial Blu-Ray with such a feature.

Are you saying that 3D BD will work with the latest PDVD10 patch?
post #3384 of 3674
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Originally Posted by babgvant View Post

Are you saying that 3D BD will work with the latest PDVD10 patch?

Yes, it should, but I haven't personally tested. (And it has been around since Jul 7). Here is the bit of PR I got from Tom (Cyberlink) on that day:

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We're launching PowerDVD 10 Mark II today, our full Blu-ray 3D update (a free update for all PowerDVD 10 Ultra customers). We support Blu-ray and Blu-ray 3D MVC decoding on Intel HD graphics (Clarkdale / Arrandale), including support for bitstreaming full quality audio through a protected path. You'll just need to make sure you have the appropriate HECI driver installed for your system.

I guess any 3D Blu-Ray which would fit in HDMI 1.3 bandwidth would work without issues. Again, I am open to correction for the last statement.
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by jakmal View Post

renethx, you are correct, but AFAIK, there is no 3D Blu-Ray encoded with 1920x2160 frame packing. I am very open to correction in this observation. Please do link me to such a Blu-Ray if you are aware of any, as it will be an interesting addition to our tests.

The best sources (for general audience) on BR 3D/HDMI 1.4a 3D are:

- White paper Blu-ray Disc™ Format: 2.B Audio Visual Application Format Specifications for BD-ROM Version 2.4
- High-Definition Multimedia Interface Specification Version 1.4a: Extraction of 3D Signaling Portion

In summary, MPEG-4 MVC is a compression scheme for BR-3D, compressing 1920x2160 (=1920x[1080+1080]) as effective as possible with up to 50% overhead comparing BD; once decoded, the video signal is 1920x2160@23.976Hz (HDMI 1.4a 3D video structure: frame packing), which can be transmitted only over HDMI 1.4a equipments.

There are several pre-HDMI 1.4a 3D technologies, such as 3D DLP by Texas Instrument. This one subsamples 1920x2160 into checkerboard 1920x1080 (actually PowerDVD [or a standalone BR 3D player supporting 3D DLP] does this), transmits over HDMI 1.3, then the display encodes checkerboard to 120Hz frame sequential. But right now PowerDVD works with only NVIDIA 3D Vision Kit (requiring a GeForce card of course). If the support for DLP-Link glasses is added, it should work with any graphics card (assuming the processor is good enough to decode MVC). (3D Vision Kit/PowerDVD also works with a bunch of 120Hz "input" displays over dual-link DVI/VGA.)
post #3386 of 3674
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Originally Posted by jakmal View Post

Yes, it should, but I haven't personally tested. (And it has been around since Jul 7).

I haven't been able to get to work. Flipping the 3D mode just screws the picture up.
post #3387 of 3674
Thread Starter 
Which display/glasses/transmitter are you using?
post #3388 of 3674
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Originally Posted by babgvant View Post

I haven't been able to get to work. Flipping the 3D mode just screws the picture up.

OK Let me talk to Tom (Cyberlink) about this and see his response. I remember that we did quite a bit of setup for the 3D display in the PowerDVD menus when I saw the demo at his office (but the demo was for the nV 425M)
post #3389 of 3674
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

Which display/glasses/transmitter are you using?

VT25. To be clear, I didn't expect it to work at all w/ Intel HW.
post #3390 of 3674
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

The best sources (for general audience) on BR 3D/HDMI 1.4a 3D are:

- White paper Blu-ray Disc Format: 2.B Audio Visual Application Format Specifications for BD-ROM Version 2.4
- High-Definition Multimedia Interface Specification Version 1.4a: Extraction of 3D Signaling Portion

In summary, MPEG-4 MVC is a compression scheme for BR-3D, compressing 1920x2160 (=1920x[1080+1080]) as effective as possible with up to 50% overhead comparing BD; once decoded, the video signal is 1920x2160@23.976Hz (HDMI 1.4a 3D video structure: frame packing), which can be transmitted only over HDMI 1.4a equipments.

There are several pre-HDMI 1.4a 3D technologies, such as 3D DLP by Texas Instrument. This one subsamples 1920x2160 into checkerboard 1920x1080 (actually PowerDVD [or a standalone BR 3D player supporting 3D DLP] does this), transmits over HDMI 1.3, then the display encodes checkerboard to 120Hz frame sequential. But right now PowerDVD works with only NVIDIA 3D Vision Kit (requiring a GeForce card of course). If the support for DLP-Link glasses is added, it should work with any graphics card (assuming the processor is good enough to decode MVC). (3D Vision Kit/PowerDVD also works with a bunch of 120Hz "input" displays over dual-link DVI/VGA.)

renethx, Thanks for the very informative post!

I did get some clarification from Tom (Cyberlink) which confirms your statements, but adds passive polarized to the checkerboard you mention ( are you an industry insider, by any chance ? ):

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PowerDVD 10 Ultra supports Blu-ray 3D playback, including MVC decoding acceleration and full quality BD audio bitstreaming on Clarkdale and Arrandale systems. HDMI 1.4 output is not supported on the current Intel HD graphics platforms, and no plans for supporting HDMI 1.4 on current platforms have been announced.

As you noted, our application relies on the capabilities of the graphics hardware and driver. The only graphics hardware that supports HDMI 1.4 output today is NVIDIA (with the R260 drivers, which are available as beta drivers today). As you know, Intel announced support for HDMI 1.4 on next generation Intel HD graphics (Sandy Bridge) at IDF. No other solutions have been announced from Intel or AMD, although AMD has stated that a solution can be expected.

Clarkdale and Arrandale users can output a checkerboard (split resolution 3D) signal (choose 3D Ready HDTV), or an interlaced signal (for passive polarized displays).
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