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post #841 of 3675
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Originally Posted by e55 View Post

I could install Big ShurikeN both on DH55TC and P7H55D-M EVO without interference with RAM and other components, but setted RAM earlier than cooler because of its huge fins.

Awesome, thx!
post #842 of 3675
How the hell do bugs like this get through testing?

anyway, I'll wait a few months to make sure they get worked out

anyone know a good cpu cooler that will fit this case?

http://www.antec.com/pdf/manuals/ISK..._Manual_EN.pdf

my current build list

Antec ISK 300-150
Intel Core i5-660
Western Digital Scorpio Black WD3200BEKT 320GB
(will be replaced with 160GB G3 Intel SSD in Q4 2010/Q1 2011)
4GB DDR3 1600 RAM
post #843 of 3675
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Originally Posted by gorthocar View Post

Doing a quick glance at newegg, the Scythe Big Shuriken doesn't list LGA1156 in its compatibility list. The mounting holes for LGA1156 heatsink/fans are different from LGA1366.

Are you planning on populating all 4 DIMMs? On the DH55TC, the DIMM closest to the CPU should not be used if you have only 2 DIMMs. The next one over, and the one furthest away are the ones to populate if you have 2 DIMMs.

I did mount a Tuniq T-120 Extreme (very tall) in my DH55TC, and it did clear the ram, but barely. If you have tall ram with extra fins, it probably would not clear. I can't install or remove ram from the closest 2 DIMM slots unless I remove the Tuniq heatsink.

Since this computer will function both as a HTPC and as a home lab computer (dual boot) I will have 8GB of RAM in it in order to support many virtual machines and that will occupy all four slots. I'll make sure to buy RAM without extra fins, thx for the advice.
post #844 of 3675
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Originally Posted by ferro View Post

Can you test this with "The Dark Knight" Blu-Ray? The opening sequence is has a full-screen 16:9 scene, that consistently tears for me.

I don't see any tearing at all with either Powerdvd 9 or Windvd. I really haven't seen any tearing on anything, unless I'm got a some windows open at the same time. I did see some on SD using WinDVD, but not through MC. I assume this is some deinterlacing problem somewhere, with something not clicked on or off.

Actually in the past when I got tearing that I could finally figure out, it usually had something to do with deinterlacing screw up.

I still don't think my micro stutter is gone though, and not convinced these Intel drivers are putting out the exact refresh rate.
post #845 of 3675
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Originally Posted by Larry J View Post

I don't see any tearing at all with either Powerdvd 9 or Windvd. I really haven't seen any tearing on anything, unless I'm got a some windows open at the same time. I did see some on SD using WinDVD, but not through MC. I assume this is some deinterlacing problem somewhere, with something not clicked on or off.

Actually in the past when I got tearing that I could finally figure out, it usually had something to do with deinterlacing screw up.

I still don't think my micro stutter is gone though, and not convinced these Intel drivers are putting out the exact refresh rate.

Might be worth giving reclock a shot. I haven't tested with clarkdale yet but shouldn't be an issue.

Don't know if it'll insert itself into the filter chain using WinDVD but it will with TMT as long as you get the latest build.

If it is a refresh rate thing then reclock may fix it for you. Not ideal but in addition it will show just how much "adjustment" is needed on your setup to get things smooth.

If I (or someone else) performs the same test we can compare results.

Wo0zy
post #846 of 3675
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Originally Posted by andersa View Post

Finally got my i3-530 and Intel DH55TC combo up and running today.

My observations so far,

the good:

-bitstreaming with windvd 2010 does indeed work

-WASAPI with jriver's MC14 works
I tried 2.0/16/44.1, 2.0/16/48, 5.1/16/48, 5.1/24/96, 2.0/24/192 and a DTS encoded tracks and all played as soon as I set buffering to 0.44s.

the not so good:
-a few drop outs while watching Terminator Salvation.
I set the video output to 24 Hz and it appears to output proper 23.98 as my preamp processor's OSD (Integra 9.8) was disabled.
4 times during the movie, playback stuttered for several seconds and I heard some kind of "digital noise", then playback resumed.

-MC7: can't get MC7 to work in exclusive mode. If I want to play music through MC14 with wasapi or BDs through WinDVD with bitstreaming I have to enable exclusive mode, but if I want to watch TV through MC7 I have to disable exclusive mode and mc7 decodes Dolby Digital and output multichannel, sigh. With my ATI card I had to make sure "Disable all enhancements" wasn't checked, but it does not seem to make a difference with the Intel GPU. Does anyone know how to get MC7 to work properly?

/Anders


Are you playing from the disk or a hard drive rip?
post #847 of 3675
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Originally Posted by timc878 View Post

Are you playing from the disk or a hard drive rip?

I was watching Terminator Salvation from BD disc.

I did not see any tearing btw.

/Anders
post #848 of 3675
Make sure you guys have the latest versions of the software.

PowerDVD9 Ultra's latest version is 2320 if you do the upgrade within the software so the version below is older.

The latest version is actually 2320a which fixes some tearing of DVDs played from within 7MC. You can only get it by downloading it directly from Cyberlink's website and installing manually.


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Originally Posted by ferro View Post

These are the versions of the Blu-Ray payers I tried, both exhibiting the same 24p tearing:

TotalMedia Theatre 3 Platinum version 3.0.1.161
PowerDVD9 version 9.0.2201.0
post #849 of 3675
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Originally Posted by andersa View Post

-MC7: can't get MC7 to work in exclusive mode. If I want to play music through MC14 with wasapi or BDs through WinDVD with bitstreaming I have to enable exclusive mode, but if I want to watch TV through MC7 I have to disable exclusive mode and mc7 decodes Dolby Digital and output multichannel, sigh. With my ATI card I had to make sure "Disable all enhancements" wasn't checked, but it does not seem to make a difference with the Intel GPU. Does anyone know how to get MC7 to work properly?

/Anders

Anyone else seen this with MC7 or know of a solution???

Thx,
/Anders
post #850 of 3675
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Originally Posted by andersa View Post

Anyone else seen this with MC7 or know of a solution???

Thx,
/Anders

Have you tried setting your Windows speaker configuration to 2 channel? Not the audio setup in W7MC, but your audio playback devices speaker configuration.
post #851 of 3675
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Originally Posted by gorthocar View Post

Have you tried setting your Windows speaker configuration to 2 channel? Not the audio setup in W7MC, but your audio playback devices speaker configuration.

That's it! Set to 2ch, 7MC, JRMC14 and windvd all output in exclusive mode with the correct number of channels.

Thanks gorthocar!

/Anders
post #852 of 3675
Yep. Was going to suggest that. Good one gorthocar.

On a related note the AVR switching issue I mentioned previously only happens if you switch inputs while 7mc is bitstreaming. Disable exclusive mode and force mc to decode and the (random) problem goes away.

If bitstreaming there are several things that can happen when you switch inputs and then go back. The most disasterous (but useful in terms of fault finding) is that MC crashes entirely but blames audiokse.dll for the inconvenience.

I'd be inclined to blame MS but nVIDIA have worked around this. Playback doesn't always continue but at least MC doesn't crash.

Only a minor issue I guess but having been bitten by it with clients in the past it's one of the first things I check. Pressing stop before switching inputs shouldn't be that hard should it? You'd be surprised

More later. My SD de-interlacing tests are just about complete. Not pretty so I brought the unit home to check on my setup just in case.

Testing DVB-T sources through 7MC in a PAL region. Anyone got any comments before I post why results?

Cheers,

Wo0zy
post #853 of 3675
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Originally Posted by Wo0zy View Post

Yep. Was going to suggest that. Good one gorthocar.

On a related note the AVR switching issue I mentioned previously only happens if you switch inputs while 7mc is bitstreaming. Disable exclusive mode and force mc to decode and the (random) problem goes away.

If bitstreaming there are several things that can happen when you switch inputs and then go back. The most disasterous (but useful in terms of fault finding) is that MC crashes entirely but blames audiokse.dll for the inconvenience.

I'd be inclined to blame MS but nVIDIA have worked around this. Playback doesn't always continue but at least MC doesn't crash.

Only a minor issue I guess but having been bitten by it with clients in the past it's one of the first things I check. Pressing stop before switching inputs shouldn't be that hard should it? You'd be surprised

More later. My SD de-interlacing tests are just about complete. Not pretty so I brought the unit home to check on my setup just in case.

Testing DVB-T sources through 7MC in a PAL region. Anyone got any comments before I post why results?
Cheers,

Wo0zy

Yeah, hurry up! I'm on pins and needles!
post #854 of 3675
Trying to figure out my display options.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128421
Implies I can get dual digital out. So far only can use vga and hdmi or, I'm sure another digital out. I would like three digitals out. But I'm guessing two may be maximum. But haven't got it to work.

So I need three. I have a 4670 to install to get another 2 digitals out.

Not being familiar with Intel drivers, should I install the whole Catalyst or just the video driver?
The Intel hdmi driver is working better than ATI, Realtek, or Nvidia and don't want to loose it.
Thanks for any advise.
post #855 of 3675
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Originally Posted by Davinleeds View Post

Trying to figure out my display options.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128421
Implies I can get dual digital out. So far only can use vga and hdmi or, I'm sure another digital out. I would like three digitals out. But I'm guessing two may be maximum. But haven't got it to work.

So I need three. I have a 4670 to install to get another 2 digitals out.

Not being familiar with Intel drivers, should I install the whole Catalyst or just the video driver?
The Intel hdmi driver is working better than ATI, Realtek, or Nvidia and don't want to loose it.
Thanks for any advise.

Didn't get around to testing an add-in card but did get HDMI and DVI working at the same time. Couldn't get DVI to display and HDMI to AVR to pass audio to the AVR though. Maybe try again tomorrow.

Wo0zy
post #856 of 3675
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Originally Posted by Wo0zy View Post

Didn't get around to testing an add-in card but did get HDMI and DVI working at the same time. Couldn't get DVI to display and HDMI to AVR to pass audio to the AVR though. Maybe try again tomorrow.

Wo0zy

What were your particular settings?
post #857 of 3675
Playing blu ray rips on PDVD 9 (demo) video is perfect but can't get HD bitstream. Does it work with the demo? I am using i5 and gigabyte H55m-ud2h motherboard with HDMI.
post #858 of 3675
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Originally Posted by timc878 View Post

Playing blu ray rips on PDVD 9 (demo) video is perfect but can't get HD bitstream. Does it work with the demo? I am using i5 and gigabyte H55m-ud2h motherboard with HDMI.

AFAIK the only demo that plays BD is TMT3 and that would include DTS HD. No True HD for TMT3 demo. PDVD and WinDVD do not play BD or bitstream in their demos. BD video in PDVD trial is new.
post #859 of 3675
Originally I was thinking of the i5 and an intel mb. (I've always used Asus and Gigabyte) but starting thinking: new intel cpu and chipset, I'll go with an intel board, they had to put thought, time and testing into this new platform. Then I've read thru I think all of this thread. Now if memory serves, seems as if those with intel mb's are having the most problems. ( I bought the Micro i5 650, cause I saved $50, wonder what that might end up costing)

(I went thru the same scenerio with the Asus Slim HDAV, drivers and setup, and many other pieces of "new" hardware)

I Know this would not be easy to implement in a forum, but man it would be great if there was some variation on a poll with default setup options of hardware software w/versions and settings (and allowing for different hardware, the option field) that worked or didn't work for specific new hardware and associated. so that there is a tally for which combo has it right!

This is a fun hobby but I have a porsche worth of "Darn I wish that would have worked" parts in my garage, play room and attic!

Just venting, thinking out loud

Thanks

Jeff
post #860 of 3675
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Originally Posted by Wo0zy View Post

Yep. Was going to suggest that. Good one gorthocar.

On a related note the AVR switching issue I mentioned previously only happens if you switch inputs while 7mc is bitstreaming. Disable exclusive mode and force mc to decode and the (random) problem goes away.

If bitstreaming there are several things that can happen when you switch inputs and then go back. The most disasterous (but useful in terms of fault finding) is that MC crashes entirely but blames audiokse.dll for the inconvenience.

I'd be inclined to blame MS but nVIDIA have worked around this. Playback doesn't always continue but at least MC doesn't crash.

Only a minor issue I guess but having been bitten by it with clients in the past it's one of the first things I check. Pressing stop before switching inputs shouldn't be that hard should it? You'd be surprised

More later. My SD de-interlacing tests are just about complete. Not pretty so I brought the unit home to check on my setup just in case.

Testing DVB-T sources through 7MC in a PAL region. Anyone got any comments before I post why results?

Cheers,

Wo0zy

There's good news and bad news.

The good news is on my TV broadcast DVB-T and DVS-S looks OK. Had to fiddle around with the Intel control panel calibrating video levels (thanks babgvant) and turning off Sharpening and denoising (as usual) but after that things are pretty good. I'm comparing PQ with my trusty old 8600GT and will need to do more A/B testing with less tired eyes because it's too close to call.

The bad news is while testing DVD playback with the unit directly connected to my TV via HDMI I switched sources briefly to check something on my main unit and when I returned to the clarkdale input media centre had crashed so it looks like it's not just bitstreaming that is causing this issue (as was the case with G45 as well) but it is definitely isolated to HDMI audio.

While on the subject of DVD playback in MC, I see none of the stutter and shake in menus that has plagued nVIDIA recently when working with the MS Win7 RTM decoder. A major plus point.

Overall I'm still positive about the potential of this platform. Could really use some help with the input switching crashes (I've tried all my usual tricks but no luck) but other than that I'm looking forward to more tests tomorrow

Will try and get hold of "The Dark Knight" as requested.

Wo0zy
post #861 of 3675
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Originally Posted by Davinleeds View Post

What were your particular settings?

Setup multiple displays in the Intel control panel as "cloned" set at 1920x1080 @ 50Hz. Primary was directly to a TV, secondary was an AVR. I'll try hooking up two digital displays tomorrow and report back.

Also tested running extended desktop with HDMI and VGA. VGA set @ 1024x768 (primary) and HDMI set at 1920x1080 @50Hz (Secondary).No Issues.

What options do you see in the control panel with HDMI and DVI connected?

I'm running the Asus P7H55D-M Evo board with an i3 540 BTW (not sure I've mentioned that yet. Sorry).

Wo0zy
post #862 of 3675
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Originally Posted by wordgasm View Post

Originally I was thinking of the i5 and an intel mb. (I've always used Asus and Gigabyte) but starting thinking: new intel cpu and chipset, I'll go with an intel board, they had to put thought, time and testing into this new platform. Then I've read thru I think all of this thread. Now if memory serves, seems as if those with intel mb's are having the most problems. ( I bought the Micro i5 650, cause I saved $50, wonder what that might end up costing)

(I went thru the same scenerio with the Asus Slim HDAV, drivers and setup, and many other pieces of "new" hardware)

I Know this would not be easy to implement in a forum, but man it would be great if there was some variation on a poll with default setup options of hardware software w/versions and settings (and allowing for different hardware, the option field) that worked or didn't work for specific new hardware and associated. so that there is a tally for which combo has it right!

This is a fun hobby but I have a porsche worth of "Darn I wish that would have worked" parts in my garage, play room and attic!

Just venting, thinking out loud

Thanks

Jeff

FYI, I've started an Intel DH55TC specific thread here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1216914

I initially had huge issues until I determined that it didn't like one of my sticks of DDR3. After swapping that out, it is very stable. It does have a few quirks, but for the most part I think those are generic to the platform instead of specific to this particular motherboard. I think those can be worked out with driver updates and/or software patches, and maybe a BIOS update for one.

I feel your pain and need to vent. I think that all of us have wanted to throw our HTPC out the window at some time.
post #863 of 3675
I set up my core i3 today but am having troubles with my graphics. I went into the BIOS and changed the primary graphics adapter to Onboard. I do not have a graphics card. But now my resolution says Standard VGA adapter and cannot get 1080 on my HDTV.
post #864 of 3675
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Originally Posted by Makaveli6103 View Post

I set up my core i3 today but am having troubles with my graphics. I went into the BIOS and changed the primary graphics adapter to Onboard. I do not have a graphics card. But now my resolution says Standard VGA adapter and cannot get 1080 on my HDTV.

This may be a stupid question, but have you installed the Intel graphics drivers? Pick the right ones for your OS. http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Sear...p+Board+DH55TC
(some of the items other than the drivers may not apply to your motherboard if it isn't the DH55TC)
post #865 of 3675
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Originally Posted by gorthocar View Post

This may be a stupid question, but have you installed the Intel graphics drivers? Pick the right ones for your OS. http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Sear...p+Board+DH55TC
(some of the items other than the drivers may not apply to your motherboard if it isn't the DH55TC)

No its not stupid because I did not do this yet. I am using the ASRock H55M Pro board.
post #866 of 3675
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Originally Posted by Wo0zy View Post

There's good news and bad news.

The good news is on my TV broadcast DVB-T and DVS-S looks OK. Had to fiddle around with the Intel control panel calibrating video levels (thanks babgvant) and turning off Sharpening and denoising (as usual) but after that things are pretty good. I'm comparing PQ with my trusty old 8600GT and will need to do more A/B testing with less tired eyes because it's too close to call.

The bad news is while testing DVD playback with the unit directly connected to my TV via HDMI I switched sources briefly to check something on my main unit and when I returned to the clarkdale input media centre had crashed so it looks like it's not just bitstreaming that is causing this issue (as was the case with G45 as well) but it is definitely isolated to HDMI audio.

While on the subject of DVD playback in MC, I see none of the stutter and shake in menus that has plagued nVIDIA recently when working with the MS Win7 RTM decoder. A major plus point.

Overall I'm still positive about the potential of this platform. Could really use some help with the input switching crashes (I've tried all my usual tricks but no luck) but other than that I'm looking forward to more tests tomorrow

Will try and get hold of "The Dark Knight" as requested.

Wo0zy

So SD deinterlacing is fine? I never change inputs when watching content, so the second issue wouldn't affect me.

As long as I'm sure there is no 24p stutter and HD/SD deinterlacing are good I think I'll go with the i5 for a m-itx build.
post #867 of 3675
I assume the mobile version i3 330M will bit stream HD audio.

As examples these laptops look attractive to me.

http://www.gateway.com/systems/product/529668413.php
http://www.provantage.com/msi-cr620-033us~7MST90Y4.htm

Take your HTPC and BD rips to the bedroom or a friends house. Also use your HTPC everyday as a normal laptop instead of just 2-3 times a week watching movies or internet feeds on your HDTV. Much better investment.

Boring because you don't have to do your own build.

Can anyone confirm the HD audio bit stream capability?
post #868 of 3675
So now I cannot get my audio working. I set up default as HDMI audio out but no audio. It also says it only supports 2 channels. My case does have an HD audio connector that has a headphone jack on the front. Does that affect anything?

Core i3 and ASRock H55M Pro board.
Connected through HDMI to Onkyo 606 receiver.
post #869 of 3675
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Originally Posted by Makaveli6103 View Post

So now I cannot get my audio working. I set up default as HDMI audio out but no audio. It also says it only supports 2 channels. My case does have an HD audio connector that has a headphone jack on the front. Does that affect anything?

Core i3 and ASRock H55M Pro board.
Connected through HDMI to Onkyo 606 receiver.

No, the onboard HD audio doesn't have anything to do with the HDMI audio. Have you tried reinstalling the HDMI video/audio drivers?
post #870 of 3675
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Originally Posted by kegobeer View Post

No, the onboard HD audio doesn't have anything to do with the HDMI audio. Have you tried reinstalling the HDMI video/audio drivers?

I did d/l the audio driver from ASRock website and still no go.
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