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post #151 of 1011
9/1/09 at 4:50pm
I got my slim on last Friday and played with it for a couple of days. I noticed it is slightly louder than my 40gb fat PS3 but not to bad.
I swapped the hard drive for a 500 gb 5400 rpm Seagate (works great). If you do a hard drive swap make sure you download the firmware from Sony's support site to a folder named "PS3" on your pen drive...in that folder make another folder and label it "Update" and download the firmware to that folder, then plug it into the PS3 slim after installing the HD and power up the PS3 and follow the prompts. You need to do this as the new slims don't have flash memory to hold the settings or format the drive like the old "fat" units. If you don't do this you can't format the drive or install the firmware.
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post #152 of 1011
9/1/09 at 5:02pm
Just got mine hooked up. It's not too loud, maybe more silent than the 80GB one I'd borrowed, but the fan whine is higher-pitched. A bit more annoying, but no big deal. Probably they used a smaller fan on this one, seems reasonable.

Maybe it'll get quieter at night, right now I'm at 34 °C here, but the 80GB got louder when the room was hot only after a while.
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post #153 of 1011
9/1/09 at 5:50pm
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Originally Posted by thehun View Post

All post processing happens after decoding and conversion to PCM, so if the receiver is receiving PCM already it simply bypass any decoding and conversions schemes and the rest is the same as if it would receive lossy or lossless codecs.

If a receiver has a limitation of sampling rate processing because of of the lack processing power, say 96khz or higher, this would be true for both PCM and lossless, and it would down sample to 48khz before proceeding to post processing. Some might disable things like Audessey in order to proceed,but in most cases I'm aware, a typical receiver will treat both signal the same once it is PCM.

Ah, thanks.

I'm still not really convinced of the whole bitstream/PCM/lossy/lossless thing, anyway. I consider my system pretty nice, and I've been into home theater for 17 years or better, and I doubt I could pick one over the other in a blind test. Never had any complaints about the way my rig sounded before BD came along. Ignorance is bliss in my case, I guess.
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post #154 of 1011
9/1/09 at 6:29pm
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Originally Posted by Grandmaster View Post

Is it actually confirmed that *only* the Slim will bitstream the advanced HD audio codecs? Firmware 3.0 doesn't enable it for the fatter, older models? I'm wondering if this, combined with the BraviaLink, indicates that the HDMI capabilities of the Slim are physically superior than they are in the older unit...

It is a new hardware chip. They said in a Japanese interview that they updated the HDMI chip. They even had in mind moving to a HDMI 1.4 chip (for the networking and 3D capabilities). Its not there yet, but they said it may change in a future revision if they feel the need.
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post #155 of 1011
9/1/09 at 8:49pm
I bought a slim and can't get it to connect via HDMI with my troubled Sony display. I'm one of the long suffering KDSR60XBR1 owners. Didn't have any trouble with my old 80g PS3 but the new one won't make the connection. Been on the phone with Sony all day but of course they eventually tell me to take the slim back.....

My brother with a Vizio display that is newer than my TV, took it home with him and he had no trouble, the unit immediately connected

Any ideas? Is it a resolution issue? fps issue? HDMI version issue?

Any help appreciated

RA
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post #156 of 1011
9/2/09 at 3:47am
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BTW, call me crazy, but after a bit of an extensive internet search, I haven't found a place selling it for a dime under $299.

I discovered the Dell "deal", but it appears it either ended or is a real PITA to secure. Plus, it looks like many will be waiting till the 18th to get theirs. No thanks, I just sold my 80gig with 3 old games for $350 and would like a new one sooner than later.

If anyone knows of a better price, I'd appreciate a PM.

thanks,
James

I got my PS3 slim for $199. FedEx says it will be here tomorrow. If you qualify instantly for the Sony Visa they will give a a $100 credit on your first purchase $299 and up.

http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...52921644595898
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post #157 of 1011
9/2/09 at 5:37am
Has anybody tried bitstreaming DSD-Disc to recevier with the slim? That is not the SA-CD, and before questions, every PS3 can play DSD-Disc which is nothing else than UDF 2.5 DVD-Data disc with DSD encoded music in consumer DSF format put in specified directory tree and playlist file. Sample DSD files can be obtained free of charge from www.wheatus.com, as they released their latest EP in DSF format. If you donate 5$ you also get the two acoustic songs, which are worth it.
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post #158 of 1011
9/2/09 at 7:59am
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I'll look deeper. The ones I came across all said Excludes video game hardware in the fine print.

Good catch. I got over excited with my Reward Zone BB coupons (10% and 12%), didn't read close enough and I guess I hoped the PS3 would be considered a "Blu Ray player" and not a "Vid game hardware", lol, yeah right! Anyway, at least I had my Reward Zone bucks and the guy did let me apply the coupons towards the game I nabbed (coupons were dated for 9/4-9/7).

I'm a new PS3 Slim owner and couldn't be happier (well, a better price woulda worked). Got it for $290+tax, Madden 10 and SF4. Went through the setup routine, downloaded the new FW update (3.0) and all is well. Fired it up on every display in my house, lol, even the PC 22" LCD (720) looks great with it.

Peace
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post #159 of 1011
9/2/09 at 8:08am
Anyone having freezing problems when playing BDs? My friend just got a PS3 Slim yesterday and every time he watches a BD, it freezes after watching for a half hour or so. It's fine when playing games, but when playing Blu-ray movies, it freezes.

Are other people having this problem or should I tell my friend to exchange his console?
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post #160 of 1011
9/2/09 at 8:24am
Have him exchange it. That is a defective unit.
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post #161 of 1011
9/2/09 at 8:42am
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Have him exchange it. That is a defective unit.

I've had mine for over a week with no issues. Definitely bring it back dude.
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post #162 of 1011
9/2/09 at 9:02am
Wow! My friend isn't going to be too happy about that. Thanks, guys!
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post #163 of 1011
9/2/09 at 9:04am
First rule out that its not a single disc only that is freezing.
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post #164 of 1011
9/2/09 at 9:42am
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Originally Posted by TomsHT View Post

First rule out that its not a single disc only that is freezing.

No, it's not. He has two BDs and they both freeze when watching for more than a half hour. Then I lent him one of my BDs that works fine on my Samsung player. He had the same problem.
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post #165 of 1011
9/2/09 at 10:11am
Hello,
Judging by Home Cinema Choice's review of the PS3 Slim: http://www.homecinemachoice.com/revi...ginal+28+08+09
It is possible you might get better sound by bitstreaming. According to the article, jitter is increased compared to the original. I know that jitter is a contentious issue amongst many, but I am somewhat surprised to see it measure worse than the original. Definitely nice that it offers the option to bitstream to an AVR/SSP and the reduced price.
Cheers,
AD
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post #166 of 1011
9/2/09 at 11:29am
I went ahead and traded in for the slim and just got home. I fired it up and made sure it ran ok, then powered it down and swapped the drive out for a 320gb that I was using in the old PS3.

In the old ps3, I could swap drives all day long and the system would see it was a new drive and format it and I was up and running within minutes. The new one is saying it cant do that.

"The system software cannot be run correctly. Press the PS Button to try and restart the system.
If the system cannot be restarted, the system partition of the hard disk must be reformatted and you must reinstall the system software.
Connect storage media that contains update data of version 3.00 or later, and then press the START and SELECT buttons at the same time.
For information on how to obtain update data, refer to the SCE Web site for your region."

So I downloaded the 3.0 update and saved it to a flash drive \\ps3\\update and its finally reformatting. I certainly liked the old way better.

Update: I upgraded to 3.0 firmware as soon as I took it out of the box, with the original hdd still in it. It just formatted the hdd and is now flashing the firmware....again.

Update: WOW! Maybe this aint that bad after all... The drive is ready and the restore timer says 9 minutes compared to the backup timer which said and took almost 3 hours to back up.
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post #167 of 1011
9/2/09 at 2:35pm
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Originally Posted by Ctrl@ltDel View Post

I went ahead and traded in for the slim and just got home. I fired it up and made sure it ran ok, then powered it down and swapped the drive out for a 320gb that I was using in the old PS3.

In the old ps3, I could swap drives all day long and the system would see it was a new drive and format it and I was up and running within minutes. The new one is saying it cant do that.

"The system software cannot be run correctly. Press the PS Button to try and restart the system.
If the system cannot be restarted, the system partition of the hard disk must be reformatted and you must reinstall the system software.
Connect storage media that contains update data of version 3.00 or later, and then press the START and SELECT buttons at the same time.
For information on how to obtain update data, refer to the SCE Web site for your region."

So I downloaded the 3.0 update and saved it to a flash drive \\ps3\\update and its finally reformatting. I certainly liked the old way better.

Update: I upgraded to 3.0 firmware as soon as I took it out of the box, with the original hdd still in it. It just formatted the hdd and is now flashing the firmware....again.

Update: WOW! Maybe this aint that bad after all... The drive is ready and the restore timer says 9 minutes compared to the backup timer which said and took almost 3 hours to back up.

AAAAGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!! No wonder it was fast to restore. ALL of my downloads, demos, add ons, purchases.....are gone!!!!! I have to re download all of them! This never happened when I installed a bigger drive on my old FAT PS3.
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post #168 of 1011
9/2/09 at 3:22pm
All this talk of jitter, does anyone even know what "jitter" sound like? or even is?
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post #169 of 1011
9/2/09 at 3:33pm
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Originally Posted by Goatse View Post

All this talk of jitter, does anyone even know what "jitter" sound like? or even is?

It's like the Sasquatch, UFO and honest politician... You hear about them but never see one.
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post #170 of 1011
9/2/09 at 3:36pm
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Originally Posted by Ctrl@ltDel View Post

In the old ps3, I could swap drives all day long and the system would see it was a new drive and format it and I was up and running within minutes. The new one is saying it cant do that....I certainly liked the old way better.

Update: I upgraded to 3.0 firmware as soon as I took it out of the box, with the original hdd still in it. It just formatted the hdd and is now flashing the firmware....again.

Yeah, we all are running into the same thing. Sucks, but its the way the new ones are made. It seems that there was flash memory in the PS3 that kept firmware info. But in the slim that info is kept on the HDD. As such, then you need to put 3.00 on your new HDD even though on same PS3. Now this may not be that much of an issue if you go to swab HDDs to different slims, but that's going to open a whole lot of different issues as well.

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Originally Posted by Ctrl@ltDel View Post

AAAAGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!! No wonder it was fast to restore. ALL of my downloads, demos, add ons, purchases.....are gone!!!!! I have to re download all of them! This never happened when I installed a bigger drive on my old FAT PS3.

The reason you didn't have that problem before is you were restoring to the same PS3. I felt cheated the same way. But Sony apparently doesn't want data to go from PS3 to PS3 for likely copyright protection. But anything that has a copy-protected flag, DL content, games, some saves, and game data....won't go.

So here's a real kicker....Now when you go to play a game again. If there were ever any DL updates in the past. You get the joy of DLing them again. Yah for 9 updates of LBP...it only takes an hour.
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post #171 of 1011
9/2/09 at 3:51pm
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Originally Posted by Goatse View Post

All this talk of jitter, does anyone even know what "jitter" sound like? or even is?

It sounds like millions of angry termites digging deeper and deeper into your brain until you want to start eating your own eyes... no, wait, that's Celine Dion. Never mind.
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post #172 of 1011
9/2/09 at 4:16pm
Are there many differences in playback quality between a PS3 slim and a standalone Sony blueray player of the same price ?
I was wondering if the quality of the DACs and the chassis (very "slim" on the PS3) may not turn in favor of the standalone player

Thanks for your input

Cedric
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post #173 of 1011
9/2/09 at 4:25pm
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Originally Posted by Audiodork View Post

Hello,
Judging by Home Cinema Choice's review of the PS3 Slim: http://www.homecinemachoice.com/revi...ginal+28+08+09
It is possible you might get better sound by bitstreaming. According to the article, jitter is increased compared to the original. I know that jitter is a contentious issue amongst many, but I am somewhat surprised to see it measure worse than the original. Definitely nice that it offers the option to bitstream to an AVR/SSP and the reduced price.
Cheers,
AD

If you use the PS3 Slim (or any other BD player) with an AVR that buffers and reclocks the incoming data stream for the LPCM input then the jitter (timing errors) is removed and there should then be no difference between having the PS3 bitstream vs. use LPCM as long as the AVR applies the same post decoding processing to the LPCM as to internally decoded audio. Compress audio formats (including the lossless Dolby and DTS formats) must buffer the data and use the local clock as part of the decoding process. As a result HDMI jitter introduced on bitstream data into the AVR will always have the jitter removed by the AVR's decoder. Lower end AVRs (e.g., Onkyo 607) don't have the buffering and reclocking for the LPCM input and therefore there will be a difference as compared using bitstream into the AVR. Even some mid to high priced AVRs lack the buffering/reclocking. The higher end Denon AVRs are reported to have the buffering/reclocking but I haven't heard if any of Onkyo models do (or not),
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post #174 of 1011
9/2/09 at 5:06pm
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Originally Posted by dogdoctor View Post

Yeah, we all are running into the same thing. Sucks, but its the way the new ones are made. It seems that there was flash memory in the PS3 that kept firmware info. But in the slim that info is kept on the HDD. As such, then you need to put 3.00 on your new HDD even though on same PS3. Now this may not be that much of an issue if you go to swab HDDs to different slims, but that's going to open a whole lot of different issues as well.

The reason you didn't have that problem before is you were restoring to the same PS3. I felt cheated the same way. But Sony apparently doesn't want data to go from PS3 to PS3 for likely copyright protection. But anything that has a copy-protected flag, DL content, games, some saves, and game data....won't go.

So here's a real kicker....Now when you go to play a game again. If there were ever any DL updates in the past. You get the joy of DLing them again. Yah for 9 updates of LBP...it only takes an hour.


Thanks! Have you heard anything about the logitech harmony remote adaptor not working on the slim? I can get it to connect and I can get the remote to work but if the remote works then the other controllers wont connect. I have to unplug the logitech harmony remote adaptor in order to get my standard controllers to connect again.

I found others having the same issue, but no answers. http://forums.logitech.com/logitech/...&thread.id=567


Update: Looks like I am not the only one. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...4#post17101774
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post #175 of 1011
9/2/09 at 5:40pm
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It sounds like millions of angry termites digging deeper and deeper into your brain until you want to start eating your own eyes... no, wait, that's Celine Dion. Never mind.

+1000
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post #176 of 1011
9/3/09 at 8:46am
I'm new to the PS3 world having just bought a slim model a week ago, been using a Panny BD55 for the rest of the time.
The slim came with 2.76, and so far, no issues whatsoever.
I've downloaded (to PC) the newer 3.0 firmware, but have yet to install.
I believe on the 'other' PS3 thread, some people have been having issues with bitstreaming HD Audio since the 3.0 upgrade.
Is this a problem then that could affect ALL PS3s or is this isolated to only the 'fat' models?
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post #177 of 1011
9/3/09 at 8:57am
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Originally Posted by Goatse View Post

All this talk of jitter, does anyone even know what "jitter" sound like? or even is?

I certainly know what the textbook definition is. And as I said, I realize that it is a contentious issue. My point was that I was surprised that is measured worse than the original version. It is still an awesome value and had I not already owned a launch PS3 and 3 standalone players, I would definitely buy one.

Here is a pretty good article that has been posted on these forums a few times: http://www.jitter.de/english/sound.html
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post #178 of 1011
9/3/09 at 9:11am
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Originally Posted by Denny_S View Post

I'm new to the PS3 world having just bought a slim model a week ago, been using a Panny BD55 for the rest of the time.
The slim came with 2.76, and so far, no issues whatsoever.
I've downloaded (to PC) the newer 3.0 firmware, but have yet to install.
I believe on the 'other' PS3 thread, some people have been having issues with bitstreaming HD Audio since the 3.0 upgrade.
Is this a problem then that could affect ALL PS3s or is this isolated to only the 'fat' models?

It only affects the slim, as it's the only PS3 that can bitstream the HD codecs right now.
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post #179 of 1011
9/3/09 at 9:43am
I'm switching for audio.

I hate to have to redo my downloads, but I also don't like having to run my fat PS3 at +2.0 DB to get reference volumes. I know that the difference is probably 100% in my head, but that's where my brain is, and my brain is excited about not having to "settle" for multi-channel PCM anymore.

This placebo effect was not enough to get me to switch from a PS3 to a stand alone player (since I do play games, look at photos, browse the web, etc.), but it is enough to get me to plop down for the upgrade.
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post #180 of 1011
9/3/09 at 10:26am
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It only affects the slim, as it's the only PS3 that can bitstream the HD codecs right now.

Oh well, I guess that I'm going to stick with the 2.76 FW version for now until the bitstream problem is resolved.
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