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When I do an audio pass through on my receiver to watch blu-rays, DVD's, or games through the tv speakers only meaning the reciever must be on to watch a movie and all audio and video passes through it but I have the external speakers muted and the tv speakers on with my ps3 slim which is only connected through HDMI. The problem is I get no sound that seems wouldve came out of the center channel. This is very weird and I don't understand what's going on. Now what's weirder when I set it to bitstream it'll work fine then. The reason why this is weird is it doesn't work with linear PCM but with bitstream it will when my tv or receiver can't bitstream lossless audio but it's giving the right sound off through the tv speakers when bitstream is used. Can someone please check if when they audio pass through using tv speakers what happens but have the slim set to linear PCM. This only happens with the ps3 playing blu-rays,DVD's, or games since games only go through the receiver converted to linear PCM nothing else...Here's why it's confusing I would think it was the receiver but like I said all other components work normally with the receiver.

Update: just checked the original ps3 same thing it must be the way the system processes multi channel audio. The whole bitstream is still confusing with the lossless audio.

Most TVs cannot handle anything but bitstream on their optical input. For the most part if it gets a PCM signal it will only play the audio in stereo mode.

FWIW: if your are not using an AVR for audio from the PS3, then you shouldn't bother with HD audio.

Please refer to the PS3 set up guide that has a very well laid out diagram of the audio output options of the PS3. Once you know what you will be getting out of the PS3, it's all about when your TV and AVR can handle.

I understand but not for nothing a direct connection to tv has no problem, but I just realized I have the Dolby true HD and dts hdma unchecked so it won't bitstream that so it's obviously sending out the compressed files makes more sense now thanks for the explanation.

Has anyone heard the fan speed change on the slim? I've been playing games, dvds and blurays for days now at ambient temps ranging from 78-85F and not noticed any difference in fan speed that my ears can detect, just the same gentle hum. I love that it's so quiet, but I want to be sure it's not defective.

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Crazy question about my PS3 slim... when FFWDing on a disk that is DTS-MA, if I FFWD at 120x for 5 to 10 seconds the press the play button I loose the picture for a couple seconds. It's almost like the Player has to catch up or something. Not sure if it's the player or the HDMI. Has anyone had this problem?

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I have. I was downloading a game demo with my room basically silent while reading (everything else was turned off). I could just barely hear the fan on the Slim until about an hour later. The fan clearly jumped up in speed and made a slightly louder humming noise.

I hadn't even noticed that mine made any noise at all. I just now muted my tv set (watching MNF) and turned the PS3 slim on and I had to literally put my ear right up to it in order to hear the fan because I couldn't hear it from a few feet away. I can also hear the HD spin up, which is almost as loud as the fan.

So it was not a gradual increase, but a sudden change in speed?


I'm about 8 feet away from mine so I also have to get close up to hear it, although there are dvr's making noise in the room too. Perhaps the noise levels of different speeds is so minor I would not be able to hear it unless I'm close enough to hear the actual change.

I have a buddy that works at EB Games. We swapped out the system to try to see if another PS3 slim is doing the same when fast forwarding. Sure enough it does but only does it when bitstreaming to a receiver. Doesn't do it when PCM. Has anyone else had the issue when bitstreaming, fast forwarding or rewinding they loose the picture for a few seconds.

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Yes, it was a sudden change in speed.

To be clear, when I first turn on my Slim, it is silent. There won't be any fan noise until the unit gets warm. It does take a while. I'd say often at least 15-30 minutes before the fan starts up depending upon what I'm using the Slim for at the time. It was after quite some time that I heard the fan go from a slow speed and jump up to a faster speed quickly.

No problem with mine and bitstreaming and fast forwarding. It goes through a ROSEWILL HDMi 1.3 Switch, then through a DVDO EDGE, then through a Denon 3808 receiver before sending teh video to my Sammy LED DLP.

Now of course the audio stream does cut out for a split second as it changes from bitstream to pcm when fastforwarding at 1.5x, but that also happens with my BD35. Nothing ever happens to the picture.

hey guys, just picked up the slim this past weekend. I was noticing a couple things. When playing music, it doesn't seem possible to go back to the original sond list (mp3s copied to the internal HHD) without stopping playback of the current songs. The ps3 manual online says you can hit the ps button on the controller and it will go into the systems menu but it doesn't, it asks if I want to stop playback. How could they design something like this? I would like to have it sorted by Artist/albums/tracks. But the best I could do was Artist/tracks (by album). This makes it a pain If I just want to play one album. I have to keep hitting the square button to change grouping options.

Am I missing something? I can't listen to music and have a slideshow on at the same time?

Quick search of AVS: go into music setting and set the default playback to 48khz. If you set it to the other setting, the one with all the #.1's you will have the issue you do now.

Are you serious, you really can't hear it from a few feet away? Do you have the ps3 in an enclosed stand where it blocks out fan noise?

Many have complained about fan noise and exchanged to find same results. Not too loud, quieter than previous models, but definitely audible. The only time mine is dead silent is when i first turn it on and then it eventually ramps up.

If yours is always dead silent, then maybe i should try exchanging mine then.

I have mine since day 1 and I don't hear anything at all and I sit about 8 ft away and when I'm close I still don't hear anything and by the way Ive had 2 and neither have made noise.

Do you have it in open or closed stand? Sitting on glass, wood shelf? Have a/c running super cold? Silent even while playing graphics intensive games like metal gear solid 4 and killzone 2?

Sorry for so many questions, just want to really find out if i should exchange or not.

Yes.
No, it is sitting on a table in the open, next to my plasma, about 7 feet away from me.


I've been playing COD4 for hours at a time and haven't noticed any noise. If it did make more noise it wasn't loud enough to be noticeable from where I sit. I'll try to pay more attention.

Hmm, maybe i should exchange mine then. It did turn on twice by itself too, weird.

My DLP TV's fan makes more noise than my PS3 did (at its lowest fan level).

I have an audio dropout when I FFWD DTS-MA or Dolby THD audio

Thanks for the response re: the 48khz audio thing. I found it shortly after I posted but didn't have time to remove my question.

I watched wolverine BR last night, only my second BR ever. 1st with dts-ma though. When the movie started - no sound. I heard a faint buzzing though. I went into the ps3 and selected ALL the audio output formats and made sure output was set to bitstream. Played it again and no audio, when I changed chapters/scenes, the audio came on. This happened occasionally throughout the movie but I would just restart the chapter until the audio came on. This is BS.

Ah, another search. Let me guess you have a Pioneer AVR. Some Pioneers really don't like the 3.0 FW and the Slim for bitstreaming. They have a real hard time maintaining sound while in DTS-HD MA. If this is the case for you, then you only have 3 options.

1. Set the PS3 to LPCM until a FW patch is made (by Pio or Sony).
2. Return/exchange the PS3 and don't update FW until a patch is released (you can watch all DTS-HD MA movies in bitstream, but you won't be able to go online).
3. Pick up a different AVR.

This problem sucks for those that have it.

I have a Pioneer VSX-92TXH and it works fime with 3.01 so I'm one of the lucky ones.

There is one more thing you can try if you have a Pioneer receiver and are having a problem bitstreaming. Several users in another thread in the AV receivers forum have been able to switch to another input like TV, CD, etc... once the movie starts playing and then back to their HDMI input the PS3 is on to get the handshake to lock. They have only had to do this at the beginning of the movie to get it to lock and then it sticks.

I hope this helps.

is that when you are bitstreaming??? It happens only when I bitstream. The 3 movies I tired were Spiderman 3, Transformers, Wolverine. All the same issue when FFWD or RWDING. I get both Audio and Picture drop.

Wow, you're great! I couldn't find anything from the web. I am new to BR figured there are too many variables to consider. This isn't a huge deal for me and I am sure a patch will come out soon. Its just odd. BR movies have been out for some time now, you would think these problems would have been fixed by now.



Sure, I can try this too. I like the bitstreaming, I like knowing what my receiver is doing. I have the Pio vsx 1018, only about a year old. It does have a usb input but I doubt they are using it for bugs/patches. I'm going to head over to Pio's website and see.

I'll take what's behind door # 3, Monty.

It was actually a difficult decision to make as the newer upper end Pioneers with the ICE amps sound really, really good. However, the PS3 bitstream issue combined with an older issue with the Pioneer receivers having dropouts with Dolby Digital + audio became a deal breaker for me. The Pioneer went up for sale, and a new Denon found a home in my rack. Problems solved.

You're welcome. The issue really lies within Pio and Sony, but it's more of a 75% Pio and 25% Sony issue. Look, the PS3 Slim worked just fine before the 3.00/3.01update with bitstream. With the update, now a select few Pio AVRs are having issues. So since the rest of AVR world still works, wouldn't you think this is more of a Pio issue (aside from the obvious fact that a Sony FW update botched it). Essentially, my feeling is that the update revealed a subtle flaw in the Pios. Now the question is who will bend first to fix it. My guess, neither party. If anyone is going to bend, it will likely have to be Pio though. I just don't see Sony owning up to something being broken with a FW update. It's just not their nature. (see past BT, IR to BT, and Wireless router issues in Sony PS3's past - all errors generated via FW update. And all left for the user to fix buy purchasing new compatible equipment - I've been through 2 of the 3).


Wow, I never really thought someone would do that. But hey, Denon has been rock solid with the PS3 since I got mine (1709 last year). Which Denon did you go with? I suspect its above what I could have afforded (nevermind explain to the wife why I'd be doing this).

Or you could just get the Pio firmware updated like others have. As long as it's under warranty it's free. Of course you do have to pay shipping one way and they pay the ride back. That's a lot cheaper and easier than selling and buying a new receiver especially if you like what you have.

Just call pio @ 1-800-421-1404 and tell them you have an HDMI issue and would like to get your firmware upgraded. They will give you a service center that can do the upgrade and you're done.

Even though mine worked fine with the PS3 and 3.01, I had mine upgraded to the latest firmware because my warranty ends in December. It's a lot better than getting rid of something you like if all it needs is a firmware upgrade.

IMO getting rid of it because it needs a firmware upgrade would be like selling your car because it needed new tires.

"You're welcome. The issue really lies within Pio and Sony, but it's more of a 75% Pio and 25% Sony issue. Look, the PS3 Slim worked just fine before the 3.00/3.01update with bitstream. With the update, now a select few Pio AVRs are having issues. So since the rest of AVR world still works, wouldn't you think this is more of a Pio issue (aside from the obvious fact that a Sony FW update botched it). Essentially, my feeling is that the update revealed a subtle flaw in the Pios. Now the question is who will bend first to fix it. My guess, neither party. If anyone is going to bend, it will likely have to be Pio though. I just don't see Sony owning up to something being broken with a FW update. It's just not their nature. (see past BT, IR to BT, and Wireless router issues in Sony PS3's past - all errors generated via FW update. And all left for the user to fix buy purchasing new compatible equipment - I've been through 2 of the 3)."

---Sounds like the chicken and the egg. It seems to make sense that the firmware upgrade should have been made to work with the current lineups of pre-existing avr's. The Pio came out first. Sony should have taken this into account (maybe they currently are).



In relation to the above paragraph, I can understand Sony not taking into account receivers with firmware upgrade (user-end) abilities because then we are responsible for doing the upgrade. But our receivers should have been taken into account because IMO our Pio's are not updatable. My Pio is so neatly tucked away with wire management and all that, what a headache to take it out and bring it to a store. (And be without it). I don't consider this a feature option, more like a critical service option.

Wow. I didn't even know if that was an option. So Pio is aware of the issue. Good simple fix.


It's not quite that simple though. NOTE: IMHO: I'm 98% sure that Sony didn't even do this on purpose. They never seem to do. While the Pio did come out first, it may have also come out with a flaw first. No matter how it plays, Sony very rarely looks at the current models of anything on the market. They assume people will buy stuff compatible with them. Not the otherway around. Major example: The PS3 doesn't scale all games. Games at 720 on peoples older and yet still HDTV's that only support 1080i come across at 480p. Sony's response for 3 years. Sucks to be you. Buy a new TV.


I don't see this arguement at all. If you opted for a lower end receiver (wich cuts out the ability to upgrade FW), then you are at the mercy of equipment to work properly. Sony is under no obligation to start weeding out the AVRs that can and can not do FW upgrades. While it might be a better PR thing to do, I just can't see them caring that much.