Gladiator Master Blu-ray Comparison and Review Thread - Page 16

Originally Posted by RobertR

I never said people aren't entitled to their own opinion. What I object to is the flawed logic that confuses "perfect" with "high quality". Wanting high quality is NOT the same thing as being some ultra-demanding "perfectionist". It's easier to say "I don't expect perfection" instead of "I don't demand high quality", even though NO one is demanding the former.

Originally Posted by ack_bk

And for many people "Gladiator" on Blu-Ray will be the highest quality home video version that they can own. And I am not defending it. I have already stated my case concerning this movie. But if someone were to say "I have read this thread and understand that there is usage of DNR and possibly even digital removal of some arrows and fireballs during a fight scene, but I love this movie too much not to own it for my collection on Blu-Ray" I would simply wish them well....

Their money... Their expectations..

Originally Posted by cakefoo

I like how those Blu-ray.com posters say that we at AVS do nothing but attack Blu-rays, when the Braveheart Blu-ray is getting unanimous praise.



Leave Blu-ray alone!

Originally Posted by Scarfather

That does not mean someone has low expectations. I could ask you what car you drive. Mines can be considered "better" than yours, yet I would not think you have lower expectations, simply that it fulfills your needs.

Originally Posted by ack_bk

Good point. For the record I drive a Mazda 3. Has all the bells and whistles that I need and it gets around 38mpg on the highway (I drive around 50 miles per day just going to and from work). I owned a BMW 3 series. Loved the car. Just wasn't practical and I was able to pay cash for a brand new Mazda 3. I guess that tells you what kind of person that I am. I appreciate the finer things, but also tend to be practical and am a realist.

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

I actually like it.

I've always hated spears. Anti spear.

I hope they re-release it but they keep it as it is but also remove flames. I feel the same way about fire as I do about spears.

Originally Posted by ack_bk

And for many people "Gladiator" on Blu-Ray will be the highest quality home video version that they can own. And I am not defending it. I have already stated my case concerning this movie. But if someone were to say "I have read this thread and understand that there is usage of DNR and possibly even digital removal of some arrows and fireballs during a fight scene, but I love this movie too much not to own it for my collection on Blu-Ray" I would simply wish them well....

Their money... Their expectations..

Originally Posted by 42041

i'm surprised the apologists haven't come out of the woodwork yet... this disc must REALLY be garbage

Originally Posted by eric.exe

Over there they seem to think screenshots are hand drawn in Microsoft paint or something, and not something taken directly off the disc.

Originally Posted by Scarfather

I seriously find that hard to believe and hope its not true for the sake of whomever is posting screenshots. You would seriously be in dire need of some poon-tang if you have to resort so low as to intentionally edit a screenshot image to make yourself cool

Originally Posted by jmpage2

The problem with this logic is that it creates a temptation for studios to simply release their catalog with nothing but a coat of shellac since most consumers don't know any better.

The studios should be concerned with what viewers with better setups think about their releases.

I don't expect them to be perfect but I sure as hell expect, no DEMAND quality that is noticeably better than the DVD copy of the movie I already own! Especially on a movie that is less than a decade old!

Originally Posted by ca1ore

OK, but I wonder how many of the people wringing their hands here have actually seen the disc for themselves yet?

Originally Posted by eric.exe

Over there they seem to think screenshots are hand drawn in Microsoft paint or something, and not something taken directly off the disc.

Originally Posted by baronzemo78

As someone who did buy TDK on blu I will not buy this trash. I own gladiator on DVD. I was planning on buying this to upgrade but calling this Sapphire and charging a premium is an insult.

If it is a movie I love and I don't have the DVD version I will buy a less then stellar blu ray transfer, but the studios are wrong if they think I will "double dip" on a movie I already own on DVD with such poor picture quality.

Originally Posted by msgohan

Forum wars.

I'm a member of AVS Forum, the High Def Digest Forum, and the Blu-ray.com Forum. I only have a few posts at those two though.

I've started reading through the Blu-ray.com Forum thread. From what I've seen so far, there appears to be a perception of AVS along the lines of "nerds who over-analyze screenshots in order to damage the Blu-ray format." Some posters there believe that there has been a prevalent pro-HD DVD bias here for years. One guy says something and the rest pile on. "Yeah, those AVS haters! You can't trust 'em!"

The same thing is happening here, bashing the membership of other forums as if an online forum is a single entity rather than a collection of individual posters who each have their own standards, perceptions, biases...

Civility, please. I know I'm not the only person here who is a member of multiple forums - in fact I've seen plenty of people from here on forums that I don't actively participate on.

We don't suddenly become different people just because we are posting on a different website (or we shouldn't).

Individual points should be addressed rather than pointing to generalizations of the "air" of a whole community. I'm sure I'm guilty of it in the past and probably even in this post, but we should strive to enjoy and advance this high definition movie hobby instead of engaging in all this Internet drama.

I think I'll try to respond to the blatantly false assertion(s) of the frames not matching on the proper forum if someone hasn't already - I still have a lot of posts to read over there.

Originally Posted by sharkcohen

Guys, the missing picture elements were more likely removed by an automated scratch/dirt removal process, not DNR.

Originally Posted by GizmoDVD

Many of the users over there are PS3 playing teens. They beat to whatever drum several notable users over there tell them to do. Reading the thread it looks like some people are ready to have heart attacks trying to defend Gladiator.

Originally Posted by msgohan

Forum wars.

I'm a member of AVS Forum, the High Def Digest Forum, and the Blu-ray.com Forum. I only have a few posts at those two though.

I've started reading through the Blu-ray.com Forum thread. From what I've seen so far, there appears to be a perception of AVS along the lines of "nerds who over-analyze screenshots in order to damage the Blu-ray format." Some posters there believe that there has been a prevalent pro-HD DVD bias here for years. One guy says something and the rest pile on. "Yeah, those AVS haters! You can't trust 'em!"

The same thing is happening here, bashing the membership of other forums as if an online forum is a single entity rather than a collection of individual posters who each have their own standards, perceptions, biases...

Civility, please.

Originally Posted by shadowrage

So they let the computer loose on it?

I must have been in really bad shape for them to take it that far...to the point where it removes things that aren't scratches.

Originally Posted by jmpage2

The movie grossed almost $200M domestically and something like $400M total.

It certainly was deserving of a new scan, which probably would have cost the notorious cheapskates (studio execs) a whopping $50,000.

Originally Posted by fuzz!

presumably they had a good scan.. then proceeded to ruin it.

Originally Posted by shadowrage

Especially a certain insider that seems to like to join in with the bashing...but I won't name names.
OK - no more BR.com discussion, I'll go back into my internet bubble