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post #1 of 47
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I received my 136" CIH Masquerade system earlier this week. Yesterday afternoon, a friend and I installed the MMS screen and CIH masking system. While I don't yet have my projector hooked up (Jason Turk is coming over next week to install the PJ and A-lens), a number of you expressed an interest in my first impressions.

As expected, the folks from Carada were more than attentive. I only wish all companies exhibited this type of Customer Care. Thanks, David!

The install took about 4 hours to go from bare walls and unopened boxes to a fully-functioning 2.35 screen and masking system. That included a beer break, of course.

I bought the MMS screen (Brilliant White) from Carada. After installing the bracket on which the Masquerade hangs, you put together the MMS frame, attach 4 wooden mounting blocks to the wall, and then attach the MMS frame to those wooden blocks. Pretty simple. The screen fabric has a sewn border complete with snaps to mount the screen onto the frame. Contrary to some reports on the forum, we had zero difficulty stretching the fabric onto all the snaps. Perhaps with a larger screen size the fabric is a bit more easily stretched - I dunno, but this step was quite easy for us.

After the MMS is installed, the Masquerade is installed in 6 steps
1. Hang the top channel on the bracket and secure it to the wall
2. Attach the pre-assembled motors and mask fabric rolls (the motor assembly frames are the side members of the Masquerade)
3. Bolt the bottom frame assembly to the motor assemblies
4. Attach the tensioning cables (pre-installed in the top and bottom frames) to the mask rollers
5. Hook up AC power
6. Slide on side panels to cover the motor assemblies

The 'normal' installation calls for power to enter the bottom right-hand corner of the Masquerade. Since I couldn't access that area, we routed the power behind the MMS screen and stapled it to the wall. Worked pretty well, I'm just hoping the staples hold so I don't get any bulges in the screen!

With that, the installation was complete. Considering the complexity of a masking system (underlying screen, motors, pulleys, moving fabric panels, etc., etc.), Carada's design and docs made this a pretty simple exercise. If you are half-way handy, it's no problem to complete this installation. Everything fit well and installed as expected.

The masking panels move along at a pretty brisk pace, going from fully extended (1.33) to fully open (2.35) in just a little over 3 seconds. Jogging, either both together or just one mask, seems pretty easy as well. The motors run VERY quietly - if there's any background noise at all, you won't hear them run.

I dearly wish I could show you some screen captures, but that will have to wait until after the RS20 and Prismasonic lens are installed.

Here's a few images of the installation. First, the MMS frame after installation (you can see the Masquerade bracket above the MMS):


After the screen fabric is snapped onto the MMS frame:


Power for the Masquerade run behind the screen:


And the theater after the Masquerade was installed over the MMS frame/screen:


Masked for Academy:


Masked for 1.85:


Masks fully retracted for 2.35:
post #2 of 47
Nice job. Pretty impressive room. How come you didn't go with a 2.37 or 2.40 screen and opted for a 2.35?
post #3 of 47
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Originally Posted by Samaritano View Post

Nice job. Pretty impressive room. How come you didn't go with a 2.37 or 2.40 screen and opted for a 2.35?

Only a few of my DVD's and Blu-Rays are wider than 2.35, so I stuck with 2.35. Also, if I went 2.40, the screen height is reduced by an inch. I preferred keeping the screen height, knowing I'd only miss viewing just .2" on each side of the screen.
post #4 of 47
Looks real good. I like your setup too. Nice room. What size screen do you have?
post #5 of 47
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Originally Posted by jimim View Post

Looks real good. I like your setup too. Nice room. What size screen do you have?

Thanks! The viewing area is 136" diagonal when the masks are fully retracted. At the 16:9 mask position, the viewing area is about 110" diagonal. At 1.33, it's about 90".

See the CIH calculator at: http://www.carada.com/MasqueradeCIHCalculator.aspx
post #6 of 47
Very nice!

Mike
post #7 of 47
YES! Very nice indeed! Let us know how the RS20/A-lens install goes and more pics (screen captures) please.
post #8 of 47
Looks fantastic, nice job documenting the setup. You'll gonna be blown away even more once you get that Proj. and lens going. Enjoy.
post #9 of 47
Very very impressive.
Did you get a break on the price for ordering both the screen and CIH masquerade at the same time?
post #10 of 47
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Originally Posted by John Ballentine View Post

YES! Very nice indeed! Let us know how the RS20/A-lens install goes and more pics (screen captures) please.

Thanks, John. I'm hoping to capture some projected images Sunday evening during the first watching experience. We're now trying to decide which movie to watch for the system's maiden voyage!

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Originally Posted by oman321 View Post

Looks fantastic, nice job documenting the setup. You'll gonna be blown away even more once you get that Proj. and lens going. Enjoy.

I'm seriously hoping to be blown away!!

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Originally Posted by Maestro J View Post

Very very impressive.
Did you get a break on the price for ordering both the screen and CIH masquerade at the same time?

Standard pricing from Carada, but that's about half of other non-DIY CIH masking systems. I blame this fixation on the AVSForum. I never heard of CIH before coming here -- after reading far too many posts from far too many fanatics, I just had to have the new Carada Masquerade. :rant:
post #11 of 47
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Originally Posted by HD in Ohio View Post

Thanks, John. We're now trying to decide which movie to watch for the system's maiden voyage!

Some of my favorite 2:35/2:40 BD's (ALL w/ STUNNING Picture/Sound):

A BUGS LIFE
BLADERUNNER
CARS
I, ROBOT
CHRONICLES OF NARNIA (LION /WITCH)
HARRY POTTER (PHOENIX)
KING KONG
RATATOUILLE
TRANSFORMERS
WALL E
post #12 of 47
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Those in my collection are highlighted. Also thinking about:
TRANSPORTER 3
QUANTUM OF SOLACE
IRON MAN

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Originally Posted by John Ballentine View Post

Some of my favorite 2:35/2:40 BD's (ALL w/ STUNNING Picture/Sound):

A BUGS LIFE
BLADERUNNER
CARS
I, ROBOT

CHRONICLES OF NARNIA (LION /WITCH)
HARRY POTTER (PHOENIX)
KING KONG
RATATOUILLE
TRANSFORMERS
WALL E
post #13 of 47
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Originally Posted by HD in Ohio View Post

Those in my collection are highlighted. Also thinking about:
TRANSPORTER 3
QUANTUM OF SOLACE
IRON MAN

All good stuff.
It is raining here in WI -- makes me want to go home and watch a movie.

Mike
post #14 of 47
HD in Ohio:
What is your "eye to screen" (viewing) distance from row #1? Row #2?
post #15 of 47
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Originally Posted by John Ballentine View Post

HD in Ohio:
What is your "eye to screen" (viewing) distance from row #1? Row #2?

Front row is just under 10 feet, back row just over 17 feet. I'm hoping the front row isn't *too* close to the 136" screen!

Brad
post #16 of 47
Brad,

Do you have any pictures of the assembly of the masking system? If not, can you describe the mechanics of how their masking system works? For instance, how do they maintain tension on the fabric as the rollers "open" and "close"? What is the track system like for the masking panels?

I'm just looking for ideas to inspire my own DIY masking system. Thanks.
post #17 of 47
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I can't get a view of the cable workings once everything is assembled...

There are no tracks for the panels. A metal bar is sewn into the hem of the leading edge of the panel material. At the top and bottom of the panel, a spring-tensioned cable is attached to the metal bar -- the other end of the cable is attached to the roll holding the material. When the motor spins the roll, the cables pull the panel open/closed.

Pretty simple - I imagine the trick is engineering everything so it stays aligned over hundreds of roll-up and unroll operations.

Brad
post #18 of 47
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Originally Posted by HD in Ohio View Post

Front row is just under 10 feet, back row just over 17 feet. I'm hoping the front row isn't *too* close to the 136" screen!

Brad

Those are my same distances.
I have a 128" 2.40:1 Carada BW screen.
On BR movies with less action it is great and immersize.
On BR movies with much action -- eg James Bond -- it can be too big/close and really be too much. Moreso for my wife but I agree and I was actually glad I didn't go bigger.

On SD DVD it varies, but is somewhat soft and looks better back at 17 feet.

I think some of that is personal preference and you can judge by where you sit in a movie theater. I usually try for the middle. If you sit closer to the front, you are selecting for a bigger angle of view.

Enjoy!


Mike

post #19 of 47
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Originally Posted by HD in Ohio View Post

There are no tracks for the panels. A metal bar is sewn into the hem of the leading edge of the panel material. At the top and bottom of the panel, a spring-tensioned cable is attached to the metal bar -- the other end of the cable is attached to the roll holding the material. When the motor spins the roll, the cables pull the panel open/closed.

Thanks for sharing. It seems pretty close to the method used in one of the DIY CIH forum threads. You have a very nice setup btw. The automation in your setup when going from 16:9 to scope will blow your guests away.
post #20 of 47
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Nice setup, Mike!

I was pretty indecisive about going with the 136", worrying that it would be too wide - I wanted immersion without causing a tennis-match experience. As I recall, I checked a few calculators and found the viewing angle well within THX recommendations, so I went with the 136".

Thanks for posting your impressions - after Sunday night, I'll be able to see if the front row will be reserved for kids.

Brad

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Originally Posted by Mike_WI View Post

Those are my same distances.
I have a 128" 2.40:1 Carada BW screen.
On BR movies with less action it is great and immersize.
On BR movies with much action -- eg James Bond -- it can be too big/close and really be too much. Moreso for my wife but I agree and I was actually glad I didn't go bigger.

On SD DVD it varies, but is somewhat soft and looks better back at 17 feet.

I think some of that is personal preference and you can judge by where you sit in a movie theater. I usually try for the middle. If you sit closer to the front, you are selecting for a bigger angle of view.
post #21 of 47
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Originally Posted by HD in Ohio View Post

Nice setup, Mike!

I was pretty indecisive about going with the 136", worrying that it would be too wide - I wanted immersion without causing a tennis-match experience. As I recall, I checked a few calculators and found the viewing angle well within THX recommendations, so I went with the 136".

Thanks for posting your impressions - after Sunday night, I'll be able to see if the front row will be reserved for kids.

Brad

Brad -

I think no matter what it will be impressive and fun.
It IS nice that you can choose distance with two rows.
Have fun.

Mike
post #22 of 47
Hi Brad-

I have two rows too. My 2:40 Carada screen is 130" diagonal (120" wide). My first row is at 14' and my second row is 19' (25' deep room). Which elates to a 40 degree viewing angle (1st row) and 30 degree viewing angle (2nd row). I use the Panamorph UH480 A-lens and transport (thanks to Jason).

With 2:35/2:40 BD material - my first row is Fantastic. It could even be closer (as is yours). But with 2:35/2:40 SD DVD material - I definitely prefer my 2nd row. There just isn’t enough SD DVD resolution (approx 400 lines) for a screen as big as mine at a 40 degree viewing angle. W/ BD material and double the lines (800) ...no problem.

Now with 1:33/1:78/1:85 SD DVD material (at 480 lines) my first row is fine. Of course BD’s look much better (at 1080 lines).

So with your screen size - it’s great you have two rows and lotsa options (as do I).

Just my 2 cents.
post #23 of 47
I would also say that my 2.40:1 128" screen with 16:9 material = ~102" I believe is not bad (even too small -- ha) with HDTV such as sports programs.
But still not bad.

Mike
post #24 of 47
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Thanks, John. Good to know I shouldn't be overwhelmed by the close-up view! If I've used the calculator correctly, my front row will have a 56 degree viewing angle and the back row will be 35 degrees. It could be that the rear seating will be used for action flicks and the front row for immersion into dramas.

Between the seats in the front row I'll be using the Playseats racing chair and Logitech wheel for my PS3 Formula One fix. During the F1 season (now!), I try to drive the track that hosts the weekend's race. Nice way to enhance the F1 viewing pleasure...

BTW, Jason will be at my house Sunday to hook up the projector and calibrate it. Hopefully he'll write up his impressions of the CIH Masquerade in this thread when he gets back home.

Brad

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Originally Posted by John Ballentine View Post

Hi Brad-

I have two rows too. My 2:40 Carada screen is 130" diagonal (120" wide). My first row is at 14' and my second row is 19' (25' deep room). Which elates to a 40 degree viewing angle (1st row) and 30 degree viewing angle (2nd row). I use the Panamorph UH480 A-lens and transport (thanks to Jason).

With 2:35/2:40 BD material - my first row is Fantastic. It could even be closer (as is yours). But with 2:35/2:40 SD DVD material - I definitely prefer my 2nd row. There just isn't enough SD DVD resolution (approx 400 lines) for a screen as big as mine at a 40 degree viewing angle. W/ BD material and double the lines (800) ...no problem.

Now with 1:33/1:78/1:85 SD DVD material (at 480 lines) my first row is fine. Of course BD's look much better (at 1080 lines).

So with your screen size - it's great you have two rows and lotsa options (as do I).

Just my 2 cents.
post #25 of 47
Truly awesome HDinOhio! Well done! Boy that's gotta impress guests once you have things up and running!



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Originally Posted by HD in Ohio View Post


BTW, Jason will be at my house Sunday to hook up the projector and calibrate it. Hopefully he'll write up his impressions of the CIH Masquerade in this thread when he gets back home.

Brad


That would be great. I hope Jason will give us his thoughts on the CIH masquerade when done.
post #26 of 47
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Originally Posted by R Harkness View Post

Truly awesome HDinOhio! Well done! Boy that's gotta impress guests once you have things up and running!

Thanks, Rich. I'm getting very anxious to have the project completed! Just one more day.........
post #27 of 47
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Originally Posted by HD in Ohio View Post

Thanks, John. Good to know I shouldn't be overwhelmed by the close-up view! If I've used the calculator correctly, my front row will have a 56 degree viewing angle and the back row will be 35 degrees. It could be that the rear seating will be used for action flicks and the front row for immersion into dramas.

Between the seats in the front row I'll be using the Playseats racing chair and Logitech wheel for my PS3 Formula One fix. During the F1 season (now!), I try to drive the track that hosts the weekend's race. Nice way to enhance the F1 viewing pleasure...

BTW, Jason will be at my house Sunday to hook up the projector and calibrate it. Hopefully he'll write up his impressions of the CIH Masquerade in this thread when he gets back home.

Brad

Let's see some pics of the racing setup -- ah, with CIH masking in background to keep on topic I guess.

Mike
post #28 of 47
Wonder how the Jason install went???
post #29 of 47
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Originally Posted by John Ballentine View Post

Wonder how the Jason install went???

Mr. Tardy here...

The install went great. Jason installed the RS20 and Prismasonic A-lens using the Prismasonic mount. He then spent a long time adjusting and calibrating the PJ. I'll let him comment on what he found and his level of satisfaction with the results.

As far as the total install and my reaction to the projection system? WONDERFUL!

After working through some glitches with speakers and remotes, late last night my wife and I sat down to enjoy the new home theater experience (BTW, she wanted to watch Knowing rather than one of the HT show-off titles). Her reaction: "This is as good or better than going to the theater." Just what I wanted to hear.

All of the systems worked together well - the Masquerade, Prismasonic lens, and RS20 mated well (thanks to Jason) and create a very impressive system. We have a very bright picture and are only using the low power setting on the PJ. The 2.35-wide screen is awesome; adding the CIH Masquerade really makes 16:9 material pop. As you can tell, I'm happy with the purchases.

I'll grab some screen shots later in the week...
post #30 of 47
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Originally Posted by HD in Ohio View Post

Mr. Tardy here...

The install went great. Jason installed the RS20 and Prismasonic A-lens using the Prismasonic mount. He then spent a long time adjusting and calibrating the PJ. I'll let him comment on what he found and his level of satisfaction with the results.

As far as the total install and my reaction to the projection system? WONDERFUL!

After working through some glitches with speakers and remotes, late last night my wife and I sat down to enjoy the new home theater experience (BTW, she wanted to watch Knowing rather than one of the HT show-off titles). Her reaction: "This is as good or better than going to the theater." Just what I wanted to hear.

All of the systems worked together well - the Masquerade, Prismasonic lens, and RS20 mated well (thanks to Jason) and create a very impressive system. We have a very bright picture and are only using the low power setting on the PJ. The 2.35-wide screen is awesome; adding the CIH Masquerade really makes 16:9 material pop. As you can tell, I'm happy with the purchases.

I'll grab some screen shots later in the week...

Thanks.
Looking forward to the pics.
We had a family over this weekend that don't have a HT and they were amazed and impressed with what a dedicated HT can do.

Mike
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