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post #841 of 1120
Thanks Claus. I tried those but still facing the same problem. The additional problem I faced when I switched the outputs is, HTPC was also facing the same issue that PS3 was facing. So I switched back to the previous setting. I will try reading through the Onkyo manual and see whether there is any specific setting I can use to fix this. I did try using resolution settings as "through", "1080" but got the same problem. Anyway will get back if I find a solution. If there are any more suggestions please let me know.

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post #842 of 1120
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Originally Posted by CT_Wiebe View Post

muzikool -- I don't have the S&M disc, at least not yet. I used my old copy of the GetGray calibration disc (as well as trying both AVIA and DVE - I have the SD versions). The Gray-Scale is the same for both SD and Blu-ray. Normally, I can do the adjustments in under 15 minutes (having done it many times). However, on my HC5500 it took quite a while, with many iterations between the Brightness (Black Level) and Contrast (White Level) before I got it to be the best I could. I had to verify my settings (after each adjustment) by looking at the 5% gray-scale ramp test pattern, in order to verify that I had the widest (maximum) CR possible.

If you look on the S&M web site, their calibration disc also has some "real world" pictures (the blond girl with the red rose) for judging how well you have done the job of setting the Brightness & Contrast controls.

I wish Mitsubishi had not chosen to clip the black levels at 16 and the white levels at 235. It would make proper gray-scale adjustment a lot easier. I do understand why they did it, even though I don't agree.

NOTE: If you are using the HDMI connections from your BD player all the way to your HC6800, you may have another set-up choice. See page 25 of your manual.

If you can set the output of your BD player to "RGB", then you can, also, use the "Input Level" adjustment setting (MENU => IMAGE => ADVANCED (press OK) => INPUT LEVEL). The choices are: AUTO, ENHANCED, NORMAL.

The HC6800 manual (same as the HC5500), does not specifically what this control does (except in very vague terms - they tell you to "see your BD player manual"). The "Enhanced" choice might (???) give you the expanded gray-scale (its a pure guess on my part).

mariokrt64 -- I looked at their web page (http://www.elitescreens.com/index.ph...id=167&lang=en), and it looks like it should fit (only 3 of the 4 arms are needed for the HC6800). You can download the "User Guide", if your really interested.

It looks like a very good, substantial, mount. I don't know what their price is (it's not given), but if you don't use it you might be able to sell it for a reasonable price (more than your shipping cost).

CT, thanks for the input and the link....I checked it out, however noticed it does not show the actual dimensions/spacing for the screws hook up to the PJ....so I guess this might be standard? It says fit 90% of the PJ's..

Anyone out there actually used this mount from ELITE on the HC6800?

Universal Ceilinng Projjector Mount

A56-E25B
post #843 of 1120
mariokrt64 -- Unfortunately there is no spacing "standard". Their (Elite) "dimensions table" does not show up (at least with my browser and OS), so we can't check what their maximum spread is. You could call them and ask. Most of those type of mounts have enough spread to work with the HC6800, but you can't always take it for granted. You should just ask them.
post #844 of 1120
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Originally Posted by CT_Wiebe View Post

mariokrt64 -- Unfortunately there is no spacing "standard". Their (Elite) "dimensions table" does not show up (at least with my browser and OS), so we can't check what their maximum spread is. You could call them and ask. Most of those type of mounts have enough spread to work with the HC6800, but you can't always take it for granted. You should just ask them.

I will se if I contact them or maybe just order it and see...its just $33 so I might just take the chance...thanks...
post #845 of 1120
OK. I had the projector calibrated this weekend by ChadB. It took close to 5 hrs for Chad to complete it but I should the difference is amazing. I have attached some of the screen shots post calibration. Hope you guys like it.
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post #846 of 1120
Kind of amazing how much of an improvement it can make in your over all picture quality isn't it! Sort of like an upgrade. no??
post #847 of 1120
great pics gskinusa! I noticed you've got PowerDVD there. I was thinking of getting an htpc going with PowerDVD10 to go with my HC6800 because it apparently has a very decent Frame Interpolation feature. Just wondering if you could comment at all on that? I think it's called True Motion? Thanks!
post #848 of 1120
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Kind of amazing how much of an improvement it can make in your over all picture quality isn't it! Sort of like an upgrade. no??

Yup, absolutely. After the calibration the skin tones, the color of nature (like grass, trees, clouds) are more detailed and beautiful. The main thing I noticed is that the whole picture is more natural and pleasant looking and does not put stress on the eye at all. I would definetly recommend calibration of this projector to any one who is on the fence of doing it.

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Originally Posted by NYMN View Post

great pics gskinusa! I noticed you've got PowerDVD there. I was thinking of getting an htpc going with PowerDVD10 to go with my HC6800 because it apparently has a very decent Frame Interpolation feature. Just wondering if you could comment at all on that? I think it's called True Motion? Thanks!

Yes I have PowerDVD 10 but I mainly use it for blu-ray movies so the "True Motion" setting does not come in to play as the Hardware Acceleration gets selected by default which overrides the "true theater" and "true motion" settings. Having said that I would still suggest using power dvd as it gives a clean interface and simple settings to achieve loss less audio streamed to the receiver and works well with the ATI 5770 card. Hope this helps. Please let me know if you need me to test anything for you.
post #849 of 1120
I understand that calibration is not transferable from PJ to PJ...but would it be posible for you to post calibration settings?

thks
post #850 of 1120
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Originally Posted by CT_Wiebe View Post

mariokrt64 -- Unfortunately there is no spacing "standard". Their (Elite) "dimensions table" does not show up (at least with my browser and OS), so we can't check what their maximum spread is. You could call them and ask. Most of those type of mounts have enough spread to work with the HC6800, but you can't always take it for granted. You should just ask them.

CT, I went ahead an ordered it....apparently FedEx stopped by to deliver it but I was not home...that's what I thought since I am not expecting a delivery from California.......so they will probably deliver tomorow, again...although I don't plan to install it right away, I wll take a look to see everything is fine and if it fits the 6800....

Some time no hearing from you in the 6800 forum..hope you are doing fine!!!

thks....
post #851 of 1120
mariokrt64 -- I'm fine, but have been real busy with holiday tasks, yard clean-up, etc.. Last Friday, I picked up my new Oppo BDP-93 direct from Oppo (they're located right across the US-101 freeway from the company I retired from). Now I have to get it, and my other recently acquired (AVR and new surround sound speakers), equipment setup and rewired, too.

I also got a new Netgear WDNR37AV Gigabit Wireless-N Router, which needs to be incorporated into my computer network (it is a WDNR3700 Router with AV streaming capability included). "No rest for the wicked" . My finances have dictated that I won't be upgrading my HC5500 PJ until next year, minimum (hopefully the current 3D mess will get a little more clear by that time, too).

PS -- My BD disc inventory is up to 34 discs. The last 2 discs, I purchased, turn out to be 3D titles, too. Unfortunately, I don't have a 3D display yet.
post #852 of 1120
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Originally Posted by CT_Wiebe View Post
mariokrt64 -- I'm fine, but have been real busy with holiday tasks, yard clean-up, etc.. Last Friday, I picked up my new Oppo BDP-93 direct from Oppo (they're located right across the US-101 freeway from the company I retired from). Now I have to get it, and my other recently acquired (AVR and new surround sound speakers), equipment setup and rewired, too.

I also got a new Netgear WDNR37AV Gigabit Wireless-N Router, which needs to be incorporated into my computer network (it is a WDNR3700 Router with AV streaming capability included). "No rest for the wicked" . My finances have dictated that I won't be upgrading my HC5500 PJ until next year, minimum (hopefully the current 3D mess will get a little more clear by that time, too).

PS -- My BD disc inventory is up to 34 discs. The last 2 discs, I purchased, turn out to be 3D titles, too. Unfortunately, I don't have a 3D display yet.
Good to hear you are fine....and upgrading your gear....On my end got a new 52 in Bravia LCD and find myself these days watching more TV than PJ....

I am too looking forward to the next gen...hopefully 3D PJ's.....maybe in three years when the tech is more mature.....
post #853 of 1120
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Originally Posted by mariokrt64 View Post
Good to hear you are fine....and upgrading your gear....On my end got a new 52 in Bravia LCD and find myself these days watching more TV than PJ....

I am too looking forward to the next gen...hopefully 3D PJ's.....maybe in three years when the tech is more mature.....
My other half is a TV-aholic, so our LR HDTV is on virtually 24/7. We watch TV on the PJ when I turn it on. I have to put my foot down, if I want to watch a movie (which seems to put her to sleep less than halfway through - and she snores on occasion ). Hopefully that will change somewhat after I get the BD system in play.

PS -- It looks like a number of AVS members (in the "Over $3K" forum) are going to a second PJ for their 3D fix. The most popular model seems to be the Acer H5360 (a 720p DLP, 2500 ANSI Lumens). It is a real light canon, and pumps out around 1600+ lumens (after calibration) which is needed for 3D (since the 3D glasses cut the light available by around 80%). These are inexpensive PJs (around $700 MSRP) and apparently show a really good 3D image (their 2D performance, apparently, is poor). If 3D really starts to take off, that might be a low cost option for a temporary "3D fix". The lamps for these are down-right cheap (under $200) too.
post #854 of 1120
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Originally Posted by CT_Wiebe View Post

My other half is a TV-aholic, so our LR HDTV is on virtually 24/7. We watch TV on the PJ when I turn it on. I have to put my foot down, if I want to watch a movie (which seems to put her to sleep less than halfway through - and she snores on occasion ). Hopefully that will change somewhat after I get the BD system in play.

PS -- It looks like a number of AVS members (in the "Over $3K" forum) are going to a second PJ for their 3D fix. The most popular model seems to be the Acer H5360 (a 720p DLP, 2500 ANSI Lumens). It is a real light canon, and pumps out around 1600+ lumens (after calibration) which is needed for 3D (since the 3D glasses cut the light available by around 80%). These are inexpensive PJs (around $700 MSRP) and apparently show a really good 3D image (their 2D performance, apparently, is poor). If 3D really starts to take off, that might be a low cost option for a temporary "3D fix". The lamps for these are down-right cheap (under $200) too.

I will love to have a chance to try the ACER for $700, to see how it looks, but it would probably be imposible to find a place to test it...only if one got a friend that has it would maybe make it posible...that's why I bought the 6800, it was the only one I was able to audition.......what I am finding out is that the HDTV picture quality is better in most respects to the PJ...some material that looks poor in the PJ, is mostly good in the HDTV..probably has to do with the size and the better contrast of the TV....

I have not heard much about the new PJ's for 2011...what are the new models worth considering?
post #855 of 1120
mariokrt64 -- The problem is that a lot of shows on TV (depending on who your provider is) are not all that good, and a lot are merely upscaled from DVD quality sources. The HC6800 will show any flaws. I have DirecTV and the only channels that have really good HD PQ are the Discovery HD Theater, Smithsonian, and the Discovery Science channels. And not all programs on those channels are "perfect" either. Of course, even those are not up to BD disc quality due to the higher compression levels used to meet their broadcast bandwidth limitations.

I haven't heard of any 2011 PJs that represent a significant improvement over the HC6800 (enough to make me want to upgrade from my HC5500, IMHO). The new Epson reflective panel (LCoS type) PJs (21000 & up) "might" be better (PQ not quality-wise), but they are in the same price range as the JVC RS40/50/60 PJs, AFIK. The new 2011 Panasonic PJs haven't been announced yet (CES maybe). This is why I'm going to wait for the 2012 models. Note, even some of the JVC fans are not sure that the new JVC models are that much better than the 2-year old RS20 (although the JVC reps, Gary & Chris, indicate that they are better that last years RS25/35 -- for 2D anyway).

This is why the 3D fans seem to prefer the Acer H5360 and the Optoma HD66/67 (the Acer seems to have a better color wheel, both are 720p). They have similar lamp outputs and are bright enough (2500 Lumens, advertised) to provide decent 3D images. Both are comparable in price, and similar in 3D performance. Both of them have low enough color wheel speeds that they may have enough RBE to bother me (I would have to check with owners to find out).
post #856 of 1120
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Originally Posted by CT_Wiebe View Post

This is why the 3D fans seem to prefer the Acer H5360 and the Optoma HD66/67 (the Acer seems to have a better color wheel, both are 720p). They have similar lamp outputs and are bright enough (2500 Lumens, advertised) to provide decent 3D images. Both are comparable in price, and similar in 3D performance. Both of them have low enough color wheel speeds that they may have enough RBE to bother me (I would have to check with owners to find out).

Claus - I've had the Acer 5360 for the last few weeks while waiting for the JVC RS40 to arrive. It was only ~$600 from amazon, but recently as low as $450 from newegg.

I have been quite impressed with the 3D image quality of this projector. I had low expectations given the price, but the image is rock solid (flicker free), no ghosting like i've seen on typical LCD and Plasma's and relatively bright. Projector central rated the 3D mode output between 700-900 lumens depending on the video mode. IMO, this projector (and likely all other 3D models coming out) needs an HP screen with the projector dead center for max gain. The glasses block a significant amount of light.

I am highly sensitive to RBE, I don't see it while watching the 3D movies, only on brief occasion on a high contrast scene. The RBE is more noticable in 2D mode, but don't notice it after a while of watching. It hasn't caused any headaches yet. This might sound a bit out there, but I am starting prefer the IQ of this 720P vs. the HC5500 1080P. The pop of the DLP really gets my attention and if I didn't know any better, I'd think the blacks and contrast are more preferable to my 5500.

The major downfall for some is that these 3D DLP's need to be driven by a PC for the time being until the Optoma converter is released in Q1 to allow regular CE devices to run these projectors in 3D mode. I already have an HTPC running Win 7 w/ Media center, and Power DVD 10 is a direct plugin for Media center. I can watch all my 3D BD's using a remote control and a 10 foot interface. I'll be comparing this projector to the RS40 when it arrives. If the 3D is a better experience on the Acer, then i'll find a way to run a dual projector setup although not ideal.
post #857 of 1120
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Originally Posted by CT_Wiebe View Post

mariokrt64 -- The problem is that a lot of shows on TV (depending on who your provider is) are not all that good, and a lot are merely upscaled from DVD quality sources. The HC6800 will show any flaws. I have DirecTV and the only channels that have really good HD PQ are the Discovery HD Theater, Smithsonian, and the Discovery Science channels. And not all programs on those channels are "perfect" either. Of course, even those are not up to BD disc quality due to the higher compression levels used to meet their broadcast bandwidth limitations.

I haven't heard of any 2011 PJs that represent a significant improvement over the HC6800 (enough to make me want to upgrade from my HC5500, IMHO). The new Epson reflective panel (LCoS type) PJs (21000 & up) "might" be better (PQ not quality-wise), but they are in the same price range as the JVC RS40/50/60 PJs, AFIK. The new 2011 Panasonic PJs haven't been announced yet (CES maybe). This is why I'm going to wait for the 2012 models. Note, even some of the JVC fans are not sure that the new JVC models are that much better than the 2-year old RS20 (although the JVC reps, Gary & Chris, indicate that they are better that last years RS25/35 -- for 2D anyway).

This is why the 3D fans seem to prefer the Acer H5360 and the Optoma HD66/67 (the Acer seems to have a better color wheel, both are 720p). They have similar lamp outputs and are bright enough (2500 Lumens, advertised) to provide decent 3D images. Both are comparable in price, and similar in 3D performance. Both of them have low enough color wheel speeds that they may have enough RBE to bother me (I would have to check with owners to find out).

I agree some shows a really crappy picture...my personal experience is that the 6800 throws a great picture particulary with movies that have good contrast....for example....Transporter 3 shows an excellent picture with very good contrast on the 6800...Oxford Murders was a movie showed on HD Net Movies...this is the best movie I have watched on the 6800, PQ wise......

I wonder how other PJs rated as ultralow contrast by PJreview...will do with less contrasty movies.....the Tudors was one that looked dull on the 6800 and a few others I watched, from DVD or Blue Ray....Since this is the only PJ I have ever watched, I cannot tell.

Still, after watching not so good material in both the PJ and the Bravia LCD, I can tell that the BRAVIA looks better....I know its much smaller size...but I also think that its better contrast helps.....

Zoombie, thaks for the info on the ACER 3D PJ......
post #858 of 1120
Got my HC6800 installed a couple of weeks ago; using a dragonfly 106" screen.

So far so good. The PQ looks great watching blu-rays. Football looks good as well so long as the cable company isn't bit stealing.

The room is completely dark even in the daytime so we get consistent viewing no matter when we use the room. So far I am impressed. I did find it difficult to pick a projector given the amount of choices plus subjective reviews. However, I am glad I got this projector. 95% of its use will be for watching movies on blu-ray and it seems to excel at that.
post #859 of 1120
zombie10k -- Thanks for the info on the Acer H5360. I will wait until January, at least, before I contemplate getting one for 3D. My problem is that I can use the money for a new Digital Camera and possibly a HD camcorder. That would cost me about the same as the H5360 + the Optoma box (or even a small HTPC setup, a viable alternative for the same $$$, or less). If & when I get close, I'll PM you for suggestions, TIA.
post #860 of 1120
My wife finally approved a projector upgrade this Christmas. I am thinking of the HC6800. I'll be upgrading from Mitsu HC3000 (720p DLP) that we've had since 2005. Having followed this thread from the very beginning and having read the three reviews I found (projectorcentral, projectorreviews, and hometheaterreview), I am expecting the following from the HC6800 relative to the HC3000:

1) substantially lower fan noise

2) better black levels (and thus better in-picture contrast)

3) more vivid/saturated colors (LCD technology versus old DLP technology)

4) greater picture detail (combination of 1080 rather than 720 resolution coupled with no worse optical lens sharpness)

5) no worse screen door effect (I can't see the DLP screen door from where I sit now and expect not to be able to see it on the HC6800 either)


In short, I expect the HC6800 to be quieter and deliver better picture (assuming proper calibration). I realize there may be better similarly-priced projectors out there (Epson, Panasonic, JVC HD250), but I have owned two Mitsubishi projectors before and been very happy with them. As long as the HC6800 will be a noticeable improvement over the HC3000, I'll be happy (the last thing I need is to explain to my wife why there is no noticeable improvement after we spent more than pocket change on the HC6800).


Could people comment whether my expectations are realistic? Timbur PMed me almost a year ago saying yes. Mjondal asked a similar question in post #819 and CT_Wiebe replied yes in #823, though (I think) he was upgrading from HC1500. I'd be interested in what others have to say (even if you upgraded from a different 720p PJ).


Thanks,
Ales
post #861 of 1120
I can absolutely agree with #5, no worse screen door effect.

The 6800 is LCD. LCD projectors have no screen door effect at all.
post #862 of 1120
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Originally Posted by afilipi View Post

Could people comment whether my expectations are realistic?

it's hard to say. While waiting for my JVC RS40 to arrive, I decided to start experiment with a cheap 3D DLP projector (Acer 5360) on a 142" Dalite HP screen. This might sound hard to believe, but I prefer the IQ of the 720P DLP projector to my older Mitsubishi HC5500. My coworker has the 6500 and in my opinion, there is no huge difference between the 5500 & 6500. perhaps the 6800 is a bit better, but it's not going to be in the same league as a projector like the JVC HD250 which is a fantastic deal for the $$. My 5500 was measured at 1500:1 native contrast and the JVC is a native 30k:1 (given the right room setttings of course).

There is a thread in the under 3k forum where a member upgraded from an older 720P DLP to one of the better Epson 1080P's and was bit let down, expecting a day / night difference.

For me, the screen / material plays a major part as well. Are you getting a smoking, hard to resist deal on the 6800? I almost upgraded to this model a while back expecting a big difference from my 5500, but reality kicked in and held out until JVC released the HD250 / RS40 line for 2011. If I didn't have a want for 3D, I would have bought the HD250 immediately. I paid the same price for my HC5500 in 2008!
post #863 of 1120
It may not be a night and day difference, but the 6800 throws a beautiful, sharp, clean and extremely natural image! I love mine!
post #864 of 1120
User contrast -6
User brightness -2

Color temp user,
Reference Medium
Contrast R 11
COntrast G 0
Contrast B 17
Brightness R 4
Brightness G 2
Brightness B -8

Since I put in a new bulb I re-calibrated with my Colorfacts system and that's what I got. That's tuning straight to the projector with the milori Tri-chromat meter.

What I see is way more contrast and better color saturation, flesh tones look very natural.

Try them out see what you think.
post #865 of 1120
Anybody know of someone in the Dallas-Fort Worth area who might be interested in calibrating my 6800? I just got my Oppo BDP-93 and now I'm really wanting a serious calibration done.
post #866 of 1120
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Originally Posted by muzikool View Post

Anybody know of someone in the Dallas-Fort Worth area who might be interested in calibrating my 6800? I just got my Oppo BDP-93 and now I'm really wanting a serious calibration done.

See http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=655. You should, also, check out the links at the bottom of his post. Jeff was the first one I thought of after seeing your request.

Jeff is very knowledgeable and is excellent for both video and audio calibration. He is also very busy, and is located in the Houston area (at least his phone number is). You owe it to yourself to, at least, give him a call (or send him a PM). You can learn a lot from him.

There should be others in your area too, search the ISF calibrator thread: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=586330. If Jeff can't fit you into his schedule, he should be able to recommend other good, qualified, AVS member calibrators.
post #867 of 1120
One advantage of having a AV receiver with 6 HDMI in's, when you calibrate all the devices hooked up to the receiver benefit. Cable never looked better, JVC D-VHS same deal, 360 same thing all coming out one HDMI line.
post #868 of 1120
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Originally Posted by mariokrt64 View Post

I understand that calibration is not transferable from PJ to PJ...but would it be posible for you to post calibration settings?

thks

I just notice this question for me. I will work on that provide the settings I have as soon as I can.
Thanks


I was able to get the details. Here are the settings:
Gamma Mode - User 1 (Cinema all
0,0,2
0,0,-2
-1,-1,-3)
contrast -1
brightness 4
Col Temp User - medium, -10, -12, 0, -8, 0, -13
Col 0, 1, -1

Hope this helps.
post #869 of 1120
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Originally Posted by gskinusa View Post

I just notice this question for me. I will work on that provide the settings I have as soon as I can.
Thanks


I was able to get the details. Here are the settings:
Gamma Mode - User 1 (Cinema all
0,0,2
0,0,-2
-1,-1,-3)
contrast -1
brightness 4
Col Temp User - medium, -10, -12, 0, -8, 0, -13
Col 0, 1, -1

Hope this helps.

Are you using HDMI or component?

Thanks for the settings...I will try them and let you know how it goes?
post #870 of 1120
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Originally Posted by mariokrt64 View Post

Are you using HDMI or component?

Thanks for the settings...I will try them and let you know how it goes?

I am using HDMI. Hope it provides better picture for you.
Thanks
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