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post #211 of 438
6/17/10 at 2:10pm
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Originally Posted by spturtle View Post

A while ago I wrote a little application to control my RX-V2065 from a PC and so far it has worked quite well with only a few quirks. Unfortunately, starting a couple of days ago my app couldn't find the receiver anymore. Direct control commands over http still worked, however. So today I checked what's going on on the network and it looks like the receiver simply wasn't responding to the SSDP discover requests (the way UPnP/DLNA devices are found on a LAN). After power cycling the unit while it was in stand-by mode it now works again. Apparently something got stuck in there.

AFAIK the iphone app doesn't use the automatic discovery method, but maybe someone still has an idea on the cause of this problem? It could be the fault of my app because it registers for receiving "events" from the receiver and probably never de-registers.

There's a guy around here who did some work named Kris something or other (his user name). He might know something about this sort of thing.

I would consider it a bug for a device to stop responding no matter what you app did. But that's my opinion ( my bosses are typically unforgiving of that sort of thing in software I get paid to maintain, anyway
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post #212 of 438
6/17/10 at 11:24pm
Hi, I'm currently running a RX-V2500 on a pair of KEF XQ5 for front, KEF XQ2C center and well...some crappy rears. I'm interested in the 2065, but I'm worried that the sound quality on the RX-V2065 might be not as good. It does weight much less indicating that the transformer is probably much smaller. Does anyone know why it does weight less and is much smaller? This would make sense if they moved to a different class amp like D, but it looks like it is not a class D. What has changed?

My front speakers are also able to be bi-amped. Has anyone done this with the rx-v2065, did it actually improve the sound? From what I've read on bi-amping, I'm not sure this would do much. Thanks.
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post #213 of 438
6/18/10 at 7:53am
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My Z7 switches pretty quickly. Could you give an example of which input you are switching from, which you are switching to, and how long it takes (approximately?)

Switching from HDMI 1 (PVR) to HDMI 2 (PS3). I'd estimate it takes 5 seconds or so. It's long enough that it makes you wonder if you hit the right button or not. Very frustrating.

I thought I read somewhere that there is an option somewhere that if you turn it off, it will switch quicker, but I could be wrong.
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post #214 of 438
6/20/10 at 2:22pm
Ok, so now I have a real problem with the Yamaha networking function, and one I'm afraid my knowlege is not up to solving.

Yesterday replaced a failing Buffalo NAS drive with a WD My Book World Edition NAS, with built-in TwonkyMedia server. Nothing else in my kit has changed. Still using BT HomeHub 2.0 (NAS drive directly connected) to Powerline adapters to Netgear switch to all my equipment downstairs. Installed the WD NAS with minimal concern (software a bit flaky), and everything working nicely (even Time Machine with my Macbook, which never really worked the Buffalo). PS3 and X-Box 360 both see the device (both connected wirelessly) and stream from it no problem. I've now been trying for nearly 24 hours to get the Yamaha AV receiver to see it.

Yamaha still connects to the 'net - net radio working fine. It will not see the WD drive in PC mode. Updates the list ok (List Updated) message, but no folders or drives visible. Worked fine with my Buffalo NAS. I have confirmed in the WD online settings for Twonky that it is seeing the Yamaha - I have tried resetting the Twonky database and changing the interface options (have a choice of tables to access data) and to no avail. Have tried resetting router, disabling the firewall, etc. also to no avail. The Yamaha stubbornly refuses to see any files on the NAS drive. Anybody any ideas? I'm something of a networking novice, and have been searching various fora to no avail as yet. Is it a port problem (think that's unlikely as disabling the hardware firewall did nothing)? Any suggestions gratefully received.
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post #215 of 438
6/23/10 at 11:51am
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Originally Posted by Barzo View Post

Ok, so now I have a real problem with the Yamaha networking function, and one I'm afraid my knowlege is not up to solving.

Yesterday replaced a failing Buffalo NAS drive with a WD My Book World Edition NAS, with built-in TwonkyMedia server. Nothing else in my kit has changed. Still using BT HomeHub 2.0 (NAS drive directly connected) to Powerline adapters to Netgear switch to all my equipment downstairs. Installed the WD NAS with minimal concern (software a bit flaky), and everything working nicely (even Time Machine with my Macbook, which never really worked the Buffalo). PS3 and X-Box 360 both see the device (both connected wirelessly) and stream from it no problem. I've now been trying for nearly 24 hours to get the Yamaha AV receiver to see it.

Yamaha still connects to the 'net - net radio working fine. It will not see the WD drive in PC mode. Updates the list ok (List Updated) message, but no folders or drives visible. Worked fine with my Buffalo NAS. I have confirmed in the WD online settings for Twonky that it is seeing the Yamaha - I have tried resetting the Twonky database and changing the interface options (have a choice of tables to access data) and to no avail. Have tried resetting router, disabling the firewall, etc. also to no avail. The Yamaha stubbornly refuses to see any files on the NAS drive. Anybody any ideas? I'm something of a networking novice, and have been searching various fora to no avail as yet. Is it a port problem (think that's unlikely as disabling the hardware firewall did nothing)? Any suggestions gratefully received.

Ok. Can now confirm that the problem lies with the software version of the TwonkyMedia Server (v5.1) preinstalled on the WD MyBook World Edition NAS drive. How do I know for certain? Well, decided to install a trial version of TwonkyMedia Server software (v6.0) on my PC, and have it share the files on the WD NAS. Guess what? It worked. Once the server had configured by scanning files on the NAS, the Yamaha could see it and was playing back the files. Conclusion - nothing to do with the router, but to do with the Twonky v.5.1 built in to the WD drive. Have now e-mailed WD re: an upgrade to the box, as otherwise it is going back to Amazon for a full refund.

Anyone here know whether it is possible to install a copy of v6/update TwonkyMedia on the WD NAS?
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post #216 of 438
6/23/10 at 4:10pm
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Originally Posted by Barzo View Post

Ok. Can now confirm that the problem lies with the software version of the TwonkyMedia Server (v5.1) preinstalled on the WD MyBook World Edition NAS drive. How do I know for certain? Well, decided to install a trial version of TwonkyMedia Server software (v6.0) on my PC, and have it share the files on the WD NAS. Guess what? It worked. Once the server had configured by scanning files on the NAS, the Yamaha could see it and was playing back the files. Conclusion - nothing to do with the router, but to do with the Twonky v.5.1 built in to the WD drive. Have now e-mailed WD re: an upgrade to the box, as otherwise it is going back to Amazon for a full refund.

Anyone here know whether it is possible to install a copy of v6/update TwonkyMedia on the WD NAS?

I believe this is possible but it would be "hacking" your NAS and unless someone has tried such an upgrade before you won't find a complete recipe to follow.
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post #217 of 438
6/25/10 at 12:12am
The sad news is that Western Digital do not seem in the least bit interested in creating an update. I have been using their 'support' forums, and people have been requesting an update since January 10. My own attempts to deal with WD customer service also bore no fruit, with me being told that there is no estimated time of release for a new firmware update. Sadly, therefore, the WD My Book World Edition will be winging its merry way back to Amazon for a refund.

So, Yamaha network receiver owners be warned - a WD My Book World Edition NAS drive will not work as a streaming DNLA device, due to outdated Twonky media server firmware (v.5.1). This is a very real shame, as otherwise the drive is nice and quiet, and works well. This could easily be addressed by an update to the server firmware (which has been updated for other devices many times since, and is now in v.6), but WD have not released any firmware updates in 2010, and cannot give a time frame if and when such an update is likely to occur.
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post #218 of 438
6/26/10 at 7:05am
I currently have a RX-V2600 in the LV and love it. With the new "67" series coming out, I see the "65" series receivers are being marked down. I have no desire to use the unit for 3D video processing. What are the thoughts on the 2065 and should I jump on it for $800. This unit would be in my new TV room in the basement.

Dominic
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post #219 of 438
6/26/10 at 1:14pm
I have this issue with my 2065 and Tivo HD. Everyday when I turn on the Yamaha it changes my Tivo's Video Output resolution to 1080 fixed for everything. I like to keep it on Native because I don't want the Tivo to process the video, I want the TV to take care of that.

I have tried everything, used every setting in the 2065's HDMI menu. I have also gone into the Advanced Settings and changed the Mon.Chk to Skip. I have played with the Init setting in there as well and still no luck.

It only happens at the initial start up. I turn it on, the Tivo setting changes, I go in and change it back and all is well until the next day. Very annoying to have to reset that every day.

It only does it with the HDMI connections, so I know it has something to do with the HDMI settings.

Does anyone else have this same problem? If so where you able to fix it?

Any suggestions would be GREATLY appreciated.

Thanks,
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post #220 of 438
6/26/10 at 2:33pm
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Originally Posted by juhealy View Post

I have this issue with my 2065 and Tivo HD. Everyday when I turn on the Yamaha it changes my Tivo's Video Output resolution to 1080 fixed for everything. I like to keep it on Native because I don't want the Tivo to process the video, I want the TV to take care of that.

I have tried everything, used every setting in the 2065's HDMI menu. I have also gone into the Advanced Settings and changed the Mon.Chk to Skip. I have played with the Init setting in there as well and still no luck.

It only happens at the initial start up. I turn it on, the Tivo setting changes, I go in and change it back and all is well until the next day. Very annoying to have to reset that every day.

It only does it with the HDMI connections, so I know it has something to do with the HDMI settings.

Does anyone else have this same problem? If so where you able to fix it?

Any suggestions would be GREATLY appreciated.

Thanks,

So I can explain what happens, probably. When your TV turns off, the info available to the Tivo HD causes it to lose the resolution.

I suspect some receivers somehow remember the TV's EDID info (when it goes offline), or don't cause info to be resent or something along those lines. Yamaha receivers generally seem to cause Tivo headaches, because they must send EDID info that causes Tivo to change it's resolution.

I fixed this issue with a Gefen HDMI detective. Or you could connect the Tivo with component video and a digital cable and the problem will also go away.
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post #221 of 438
7/5/10 at 7:57am
Hey all. Finally finished reading thru this thread and I've got a few questions, maybe somebody can answer them.

Looking at the 2065 as an upgrade to my old 730(!)
Was just going to get a network/media receiver as a supplement but when I saw how spendy some of them are I figured I might as well just bite the bullet and get a modern receiver that will do the job. So

Question 1: does anyone have, or can anyone point me to, a list of all the updates included in firmware thus far?

Question 2: in theory, can a feature like FLAC support be added via firmware/software update? I think I would rather go for the 3900 but for the FLAC limitation. Stupid as it might be.

Question 3: the 2065 has analog upcon to 1080p. My TV (at the moment) is only a 720p (via component) though it will do 1920x1024 via DVI. Will the Yamaha automatically up everything to 1080p or do I have control over that?
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post #222 of 438
7/5/10 at 9:50am
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...Looking at the 2065 as an upgrade to my old 730

If I were you I'd wait to see what the 1067 and 2067 look like, as they should be announced fairly soon (maybe in the next month?).

But you might have problems with your current TV, no matter which receiver you buy. The 2065 analog upscaling is for HDMI outputs only, so it won't upscale and output over component. For HDMI output you can scale to 720p, 1080i or 1080p, but you could easily have compatibility issues with an older DVI display (even if it claims to support HDCP).
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post #223 of 438
7/5/10 at 11:07am
Hey all,

I just bought a reomote control app for the itouch called plugplayer (since the official yamaha app isnt available in UK).

The app can see the V2065 fine (as well as the synology 110j i am using). However, it does not seem to be able to control the 2065. Is there some kind of setting to allow the 2065 to be controlled by an external source does anyone know?

Having read through this thread, it seems the yamaha might not use standard commands of other receivers...I guess that might be the problem. Still, if anyone has any advice, that'd be great.

Cheers.
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post #224 of 438
7/5/10 at 11:17am
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

If I were you I'd wait to see what the 1067 and 2067 look like, as they should be announced fairly soon (maybe in the next month?).

But you might have problems with your current TV, no matter which receiver you buy. The 2065 analog upscaling is for HDMI outputs only, so it won't upscale and output over component. For HDMI output you can scale to 720p, 1080i or 1080p, but you could easily have compatibility issues with an older DVI display (even if it claims to support HDCP).

Thanks for the quick reply, kriktsemaj99.
Rereading, my upconverting question was not put very clearly. I realize of course that the TV I have is definitely the weak link -- that's what I get for being an early adopter -- but I'll get to that upgrade soon enough. I guess the question is really: will this receiver work at all with this TV; can I select 720 or 1080i over 1080p? Or, can I have the source device handle the upconversion and bypass the one in the receiver?
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post #225 of 438
7/5/10 at 11:25am
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Originally Posted by GeorI View Post

I just bought a reomote control app for the itouch called plugplayer (since the official yamaha app isnt available in UK).

The app can see the V2065 fine (as well as the synology 110j i am using). However, it does not seem to be able to control the 2065. Is there some kind of setting to allow the 2065 to be controlled by an external source does anyone know?

I can't really help you, but I do know that other iPhone remote control apps have problems with Yamaha's control protocol. The one I use (iRule) works with my older RX-V1800, but it doesn't currently support the 2065. I don't know if this was deliberate on Yamaha's part, but they designed an unnecessarily complex protocol for the new models. This will hurt them in the future when more and more people want to use smart phones as remotes.

And using Yamaha's own app is not really the solution, because it's not a good app and only provides very basic control.
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post #226 of 438
7/5/10 at 11:35am
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...I guess the question is really: will this receiver work at all with this TV; can I select 720 or 1080i over 1080p? Or, can I have the source device handle the upconversion and bypass the one in the receiver?

If you want to use component out (which is the safest as it's guaranteed to work), then the receiver won't do any scaling. Any analog video input can be converted to component, but it will be output at the same resolution as it was input. So you should have the source component upscale (or let the TV do it).

HDMI inputs can only be output as HDMI. You would have to test your TV with the receiver before concluding that it supports HDMI. It's impossible to predict what compatibility issues you might come across.

Standard definition analog that's converted to HDMI by the 2065 can be upscaled to the resolution you select, but the same warning about possible problems with the HDMI to DVI connection apply.
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post #227 of 438
7/5/10 at 11:50am
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

If you want to use component out (which is the safest as it's guaranteed to work), then the receiver won't do any scaling. Any analog video input can be converted to component, but it will be output at the same resolution as it was input. So you should have the source component upscale (or let the TV do it).

HDMI inputs can only be output as HDMI. You would have to test your TV with the receiver before concluding that it supports HDMI. It's impossible to predict what compatibility issues you might come across.

Standard definition analog that's converted to HDMI by the 2065 can be upscaled to the resolution you select, but the same warning about possible problems with the HDMI to DVI connection apply.

That is extremely helpful -- thank you! I figured I was going to use component only w/ this TV until I get a new one.

Edit: BTW, I may wait on the new 67 series but it's the drastic price reductions being offered on the 65s that has me actually considering pulling the trigger. We'll see.
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post #228 of 438
7/7/10 at 9:36am
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

I can't really help you, but I do know that other iPhone remote control apps have problems with Yamaha's control protocol. The one I use iRule works with my older RX-V1800, but it doesn't currently support the 2065. I don't know if this was deliberate on Yamaha's part, but they designed an unnecessarily complex protocol for the new models. This will hurt them in the future when more and more people want to use smart phones as remotes.

And using Yamaha's own app is not really the solution, because it's not a good app and only provides very basic control.

Thanks for the reply. I took a look at the app you mentioned. It doesnt look like it allows you to browse your music selection directly through the app? Rather you would have to use the Yamaha UI to choose the song. Is that right? Its a shame, because on the yamaha you have to scroll through one artist at a time it seems?

Cheers
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post #229 of 438
7/7/10 at 10:16am
The interface for choosing songs etc. on most (if not all) receivers seems to be fairly primitive. I don't really see the point of adding this stuff directly to the receiver, since you can easily just connect a much more capable media streamer to it. Yes, you then need two devices turned on instead of one, but it will give you a much better experience.
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post #230 of 438
7/9/10 at 7:31pm
I have had my 2065 for 1 week and have been trying to get the iPhone app to work unsuccessfully. I emailed Yamaha support and this is what they said:

Receivers [AV and Stereo]
Model: rx-v2065
I am trying to use the Iphone client but keep getting the error "invalid or wrong IP address". I know the IP address is 192.168.17.70 and I can PING it from the iPhone and from another computer on the WLAN. Is there anything I have to do to enable the feature?

Adam,
We are currently working on a upgrade for that and it should be out soon.


Is everyone having this problem with iPhone 4.0?
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post #231 of 438
7/9/10 at 7:39pm
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Is everyone having this problem with iPhone 4.0?

Version 1.03 of the app was just released, and it says it supports iOS4. If you don't already have 1.03, try updating.
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post #232 of 438
7/12/10 at 4:42pm
That is the version I'm running. Does anyone have this application working with iPhone 4.0?
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post #233 of 438
7/12/10 at 7:51pm
Well I got it working finally by going into settings>ReceiverCtrl and inserting the IP address there before launching the app (as opposed to launching the app first and then adding the IP address).
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post #234 of 438
7/17/10 at 6:04pm
Just got one of these receivers. Quick question: How do I assign different inputs to their right location?

My computer has a HDMI video output and a digital audio output. How do I tell the receiver to accept HDMI 2 video and AV 2 digital audio as one input? As in , if I switch to HDMI 2, it automatically takes the audio from AV 2 digital?
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post #235 of 438
7/17/10 at 9:48pm
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Just got one of these receivers. Quick question: How do I assign different inputs to their right location?

My computer has a HDMI video output and a digital audio output. How do I tell the receiver to accept HDMI 2 video and AV 2 digital audio as one input? As in , if I switch to HDMI 2, it automatically takes the audio from AV 2 digital?

It's possible there's no way to do that, because it assumes audio is coming from HDMI.

Another possibility is that you just need to go to the IO assignment menu, and assign the proper setting - they totally changed how this worked with the x65 models, and I am not familiar with it.

A third possibility is that you have to use some audio select button to get digital audio, but you would have to have made the proper assignments.

Sorry I am so vague, my Z7 menu system is different than the 2065 I believe, and Yamaha made big changes to the IO system as far as I know since my receiver came out.
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post #236 of 438
7/17/10 at 10:06pm
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Just got one of these receivers. Quick question: How do I assign different inputs to their right location?

My computer has a HDMI video output and a digital audio output. How do I tell the receiver to accept HDMI 2 video and AV 2 digital audio as one input? As in , if I switch to HDMI 2, it automatically takes the audio from AV 2 digital?

Hi cyclinglemur, as MichaelJHuman mention it may not be possible. But Yamaha previous models had firmware updates that would allow to remap video input and audio input. So check Yamaha website for firmware updates.
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post #237 of 438
7/18/10 at 1:23am
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Just got one of these receivers. Quick question: How do I assign different inputs to their right location?

My computer has a HDMI video output and a digital audio output. How do I tell the receiver to accept HDMI 2 video and AV 2 digital audio as one input? As in , if I switch to HDMI 2, it automatically takes the audio from AV 2 digital?

It works the other way around and is limited: you need to use AV3 together witih HDMI3 and tell the receiver you want to see video from the HDMI3 input when the AV3 input is selected (AV2 and other HDMI inputs apparently won't work). So select AV3, go into the options menu, go to Video Out, and select HDMI 3 . This is all described in the manual addendum that you got with your 2065.
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post #238 of 438
7/18/10 at 6:48pm
Just put in an order for one of these, it's on sale at Amazon for $650. Can't wait to hook it up on Tuesday!

I noticed earlier in the thread people said the FM reception was really bad - was this ever addressed with a firmware update or was it simply a design flaw?
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post #239 of 438
7/21/10 at 12:07pm
I've had mine a few weeks and overall I'm pretty happy with it. One thing that's left me a bit disappointed is I don't believe it allows connectivity to Pandora, which I thought was allowed after reading various reviews and comments. It was one of the main reasons that drove my decision. If anyone has figured out how to connect or found a definitive "it's not possible" I'd love to hear it. I did update the firmware a few weeks ago when I bought it, since I'd read a lot about the bad FM reception. Mine still seems really poor after the update, using the provided antenna.
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post #240 of 438
7/21/10 at 12:19pm
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Originally Posted by davejames66 View Post

I've had mine a few weeks and overall I'm pretty happy with it. One thing that's left me a bit disappointed is I don't believe it allows connectivity to Pandora, which I thought was allowed after reading various reviews and comments. It was one of the main reasons that drove my decision. If anyone has figured out how to connect or found a definitive "it's not possible" I'd love to hear it. I did update the firmware a few weeks ago when I bought it, since I'd read a lot about the bad FM reception. Mine still seems really poor after the update, using the provided antenna.

There's a program which can capture Pandora output (or any other soundcard output,) and present it to a server.

I tried the beta, and it was solid. I think it's called Jamcast
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