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post #31 of 440
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Originally Posted by MichaelJHuman View Post

I am a bit iffy about this product. I guess it's a 1900 replacement. It adds some potentially useful features. But is it as powerful as the 1900?

400 watts, max 800

The 1900 is 500/1100 I think.

I would take my 1900 over this is a sec. For starters, the 1900 looks like a high end receiver, the 2065 does not.

for the same price, where did all that weight loss come from. I say the power supply and the amps for starters.

The 1900 bench test held well over 100 per ch with 5 channels driven (my set-up). I would bet the 2065 does not come close to that.

I also like the multi-point YAPO

That is just for starters...
post #32 of 440
I noticed this audioholics article says the 2065 does support network control, even though the manual says nothing about it. It's also mentioned in this YouTube video (at about the 1 minute mark). BUT it looks like it's via a Yamaha iPhone app. only, rather than a general web interface. And no indication of whether the network commands are compatible with those of the 3900/Z7.
post #33 of 440
Somebody knows the European specification of this unit? First of all i am interesting the sizes and weight. (In metric system of course)

Thanks.
post #34 of 440
I sincerely hope that the Neos, the 1065, and the 2065 aren't the last words from Yamaha on the year 2009.
post #35 of 440
Maybe for higher models they want to be the first with HDMI 1.4. According to this article if they stick with Silicon Image HDMI chips they will have to wait for 2010. But Analog Devices already has a working HDMI 1.4 chip, and interestingly it combines 4-in and 1-out in a single chip.
post #36 of 440
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

Maybe for higher models they want to be the first with HDMI 1.4. According to this article if they stick with Silicon Image HDMI chips they will have to wait for 2010. But Analog Devices already has a working HDMI 1.4 chip, and interestingly it combines 4-in and 1-out in a single chip.

it is a A/D converters?

I do not understand, who need absolutely not necessary analog to digital converters and set of useless analogue inputs ? I think that in the future the receiver will carry out only HDMI switching, any conversions will not be necessary, just only the pass-thru signal.
post #37 of 440
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Originally Posted by pilot715 View Post

it is a A/D converters?

No, it's nothing to do with A/D converters. I was talking about the HDMI receiver and transmitter chips made by Silicon Image on previous Yamaha models. Analog Devices is another company that makes HDMI chips (perhaps the word "Analog" in their company name is a bit confusing in today's mostly digital world).
post #38 of 440
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Originally Posted by Q of BanditZ View Post

I sincerely hope that the Neos, the 1065, and the 2065 aren't the last words from Yamaha on the year 2009.

Your expressed sincerity notwithstanding, it seems unlikely there will be any more Yamaha AVR 'new product' announcements between now and Black Friday; the window [of time] in which to get press/product reviews done in time for the Christmas season is just about closed. More likely Yamaha will plan a 'big comeback' for CES 2010 in January.
post #39 of 440
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Originally Posted by SoundChex View Post

Your expressed sincerity notwithstanding, it seems unlikely there will be any more Yamaha AVR 'new product' announcements between now and Black Friday; the window [of time] in which to get press/product reviews done in time for the Christmas season is just about closed.

D'oh!


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More likely Yamaha will plan a 'big comeback' for CES 2010 in January.

I'm quite eager to see what they turn up next.

I'm not knocking what they've put out so far.

I'm still very happy with my rx-v2700 and if I did something at all this year, I don't want it to be a lateral move although there's a few features I wouldn't mind having and a few conveniences.

Should I decide to do something this year and stay in the Yamaha line I'd still feel pretty good about jumping to the rx-v3900, otherwise if it's x number of months away I can wait easily. I'm patient and I ride the fence all too easily anyways.

I'm quite eager to see what the successor to the 3900 will have going for it and even see what the next Z units look like.
post #40 of 440
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

No, it's nothing to do with A/D converters. I was talking about the HDMI receiver and transmitter chips made by Silicon Image on previous Yamaha models. Analog Devices is another company that makes HDMI chips (perhaps the word "Analog" in their company name is a bit confusing in today's mostly digital world).

What do this chip with digital HDMI signal? As far as I know, in AV-receivers chips from Anchor Bay, Silicone Optics, Etc, made only for analogue signal upscaling.
post #41 of 440
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by pilot715 View Post

What do this chip with digital HDMI signal? As far as I know, in AV-receivers chips from Anchor Bay, Silicone Optics, Etc, made only for analogue signal upscaling.

All HDMI receivers need a chip to receive HDMI and another to transmit. Maybe they will combine them one day, but that is the way it now works.

The HDMI chips can pass data to other chips in the receiver using a standard called I2C. I assume other standards are involved, but I suspect I have already gone beyond the scope of your question.
post #42 of 440
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Originally Posted by MichaelJHuman View Post

All HDMI receivers need a chip to receive HDMI and another to transmit. Maybe they will combine them one day, but that is the way it now works.

The HDMI chips can pass data to other chips in the receiver using a standard called I2C. I assume other standards are involved, but I suspect I have already gone beyond the scope of your question.

It is valid so. From the very beginning, I not correctly have understood you. You spoke only about accepting and transferring chips on HDMI switching board, which will support certain format HDMI 1.4 (which does not exist yet, or is not applied).
post #43 of 440
DENON AVR-2310 use ABT-2010 chip and have HDMI upscaling.
post #44 of 440
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by pilot715 View Post

It is valid so. From the very beginning, I not correctly have understood you. You spoke only about accepting and transferring chips on HDMI switching board, which will support certain format HDMI 1.4 (which does not exist yet, or is not applied).

I am not sure I remember the question. I assume you were asking if the receiver alters the video signal?
post #45 of 440
DENON AVR-1910 also have HDMI to HDMI upscaling.
post #46 of 440
This is from what hi-fi :
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And, while analogue video upconversion and upscaling are features found in the majority of amps available, the Denon also features HDMI-to-HDMI upscaling."
post #47 of 440
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Originally Posted by el.mahuna View Post

This is from what hi-fi :
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And, while analogue video upconversion and upscaling are features found in the majority of amps available, the Denon also features HDMI-to-HDMI upscaling."

Um, you're not in the Denon 2310 thread.
post #48 of 440
Sory but, pilot715 say:As far as I know, in AV-receivers chips from Anchor Bay, Silicone Optics, Etc, made only for analogue signal upscaling.
post #49 of 440
Thread Starter 
The ABT 2010 in the 3900/Z7 handles HDMI upscaling. That does not mean that feature is implemented in all models using the ABT 2010.
post #50 of 440
Here is a critical question for me, an owner of a 3900.

There are two flaws that my 3900 possesses, and I have been unable to get around them, even with firmware fixes:

1) Whenever I turn off my Motorola (FIOS) HD-DVR, the next time it is turned on, the output resolution is reset to 480p, even though I had set it to 1080i before turning it off.

2) If I use the HDMI Out 1+2 setting, I can drive my Sony HDTV only with no problem; however I am not able to do the same thing for my Panasonic AE2000 projector - I keep getting a "Repeater - copy protection error". This happens even if my Sony is turned off.

If it turns out that the 2065 does not have these two issues, I might be tempted to sell my 3900 for the 2065. I assume that the 2065 does not have ABT video processing?

Thanks,
Brian

(P.S. Apparently the Z7 also has the Motorola reset problem)
post #51 of 440
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Originally Posted by briandx View Post

...If it turns out that the 2065 does not have these two issues, I might be tempted to sell my 3900 for the 2065.

The 2065 is quite a step down from the 3900 in many ways. Did you see this thread? Adding this device can certainly solve your first problem, and possibly your second one too.
post #52 of 440
Very Interesting!

I will definitely try this out!
post #53 of 440
Well, the Gefen HDMI Detective is on it's way. If this thing ends up solving my year-old problem this forum will definitely get my most profound ATTA-BOY
post #54 of 440
Thread Starter 
I can't remember the originator of the Gefen idea. He deserves some praise for bringing it to our attention.

I jumped on that idea right away, and was happy with the outcome.
post #55 of 440
Hmmm....

As I sit here and ponder the Gefen device, I'm wondering where this device should go in my A/V setup. The problem with the HD-DVR resetting the output resolution to 480p only occurs if I shut off the DVR. If I turn off my HDTV and then turn it back on, the resolution stays at 1080i.

I'm wondering if this device should go between the HD-DVR and my 3900 receiver, instead of between each of my two video displays and the 3900?

Any real-life experience with this would be really helpful.

Thanks,
Brian
post #56 of 440
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by briandx View Post

Hmmm....

As I sit here and ponder the Gefen device, I'm wondering where this device should go in my A/V setup. The problem with the HD-DVR resetting the output resolution to 480p only occurs if I shut off the DVR. If I turn off my HDTV and then turn it back on, the resolution stays at 1080i.

I'm wondering if this device should go between the HD-DVR and my 3900 receiver, instead of between each of my two video displays and the 3900?

Any real-life experience with this would be really helpful.

Thanks,
Brian

Why would you turn off a DVR? I thought the idea was to leave them on so they can record? Or is it some sort of standbye mode?

What happens when the DVR is direct connected to the TV? No rez change then when you turn the DVR off?

I can't visualize how the Gefen will help, because it's purpose in life is to "spoof" EDID. You could try programming the Gefen, by connecting it to a receiver input. That way it should get the EDID containing both the audio/video capabilities. Then put it between the receiver and DVR to see if it fixes the problem.

I have my doubts, as a source device powering off, then powering on with no other changes should just work - it's an ideal scenario for negotiation as all downstream devices are already powered up and working properly, one assumes.
post #57 of 440
The DVR simply goes into standby mode. If I don't turn off the DVR then I also have to either mute the receiver or shut off the receiver so that I don't continue to hear whatever channel the DVR is tuned to.

I think that once this new device comes I will methodically go through every setup combination to see what works best.

I hoping i will be better off than i am now.

Thanks,
Brian
post #58 of 440
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

Yes, so far it looks like the 2065 has the same video section as the 1065, which is not very impressive at that price point (not at the 1065's price point, let alone the 2065's). No GUI overlay on HDMI, no HDMI video processing.


Do you know it can't display the OSD/GUi over HDMI? I looked through the manual and specs and I couldn't find that. I'm considering buying one of these to replace my old RX-V2300. I think I'll call Yamaha pre-sales customer support and see what they say later today. Will report back.

[Reporting back]

I just talked to Yamaha pre-sales person, and he said it does indeed display the OSD/GUi over HDMI. I notice now you specifically said overlay, as in, on top of, but I didn't ask that. Displaying at all over HDMI is good enough for me really
post #59 of 440
I have installed the Gefen HDMI Detective and my video resolution reset problem with my Motorola HD-DVR has gone away!

Looks like my biggest reason to consider selling my 3900 has gone away...
post #60 of 440
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Originally Posted by MSUDawg View Post

...I just talked to Yamaha pre-sales person, and he said it does indeed display the OSD/GUi over HDMI. I notice now you specifically said overlay, as in, on top of, but I didn't ask that. Displaying at all over HDMI is good enough for me really

No overlay means no on-screen volume indicator for one thing. Some people care about that and some don't.
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