Panasonic TCP65S1 vs TCP65V10 Tech questions

Originally Posted by DeadHorse11

I haven't looked into the G10 versus the V10 to know how similar or different they are but various reviews and forums have me ultra paranoid about this 24p viewing of BluRay, etc...have you noticed any jittering or anything else with your S1 purchase? I believe I can sacrifice the internet for the TV as I haven't read any content that would drive me there and I don't need the extra HDMI, and the THX reviews are mixed....so I keep coming back to those video items and trying to figure out what they do and with what content and if I'd notice the difference. None of the shops around me have them on display (Magnolia trying to dump old items and wont put them out yet).

Originally Posted by spaghettisound

I went with the TC-P58S1 and I love it. Here are some photos of it in the daytime with no flash.Attachment 151113

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Originally Posted by TheKnobber

Do you find the reflections to be a problem when viewing in the daytime?

Originally Posted by Raks

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Originally Posted by airgas1998

s1 series will only do 3:2 pulldown simple as that, it will accept a 24p signal but converts it to 60hz...no other way around it...

Originally Posted by Raks

How different is that from V10 series ? Can you please explain ?

Originally Posted by airgas1998

it depends on how sensitive you are to judder, if you dont notice it now you probably wont notice it w/ 24p.(but it is there if you look for it) basically its a x2 multiplier 24,48,72,96hz(pioneer uses 72hz) typically w/ 72hz on up you will not see any judder. relax a little and dont let the tech. jargon get in your way. all i can say is if you want the smoothest pans stick w/ a set that can properly dispaly 24p. (ie,v10) if you have no idea what judder is then you don't have to worry about this whole ordeal.

Originally Posted by Raks

Just to let you know....I dont own a HD TV yet...This will be my first buy. So I have no idea what judder is bcoz I never had a HDTV.

May be I can walk into stores and ask for a Blue Ray Demo. Still it will be great if you can let me know what to look for in that demo to identify a judder.

Thanks

Originally Posted by airgas1998

more than likely the demo you will see will be on a lcd w/ the motion enhancements cranked (soap opera effect) you will not see judder in this case.

Originally Posted by spaghettisound

The Reflections are BAD in the daytime, on this 58S1. Is there any tricks you can do to Help it? But at NIGHT, the TV is Incredible!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by stretch

Somewhat in the same arena as the OP. I'm tryin to decide between the S1, and V10, 65 or 58. Not a "purist" at all, and MIGHT adjust the screen here and there, but by no means do I know all this LINGO you guys throw around. Heck, my current TV is 10 years old, I don't even own a BD player! The 65V10 is WITHIN my price range, HOWEVER, saving the extra dough may allow me to get a new reciever sooner.
I have a reciever (still works great), and paradigm Monitor speakers, with SVS sub. Currently own a 60 RPTV so going smaller is kinda a no no for me. EPP prices are 1200 bucks lower than retail, so it's a good buy right now! OhTHE BOSS has already seen the 65S1 and liked it, and I would HOPE the 65V10 pic would look even better, she knows the price and has told me to JUST BUY IT ALREADY! Reading and trying to understand the differences is very helpful. Any additional info is well accepted.
I would assume that the current V10 owners would say BUY the v10However, some of you S1 owners, did you buy because you could not tell much PQ difference, or was it based more on price?

Originally Posted by stretch

Somewhat in the same arena as the OP. I'm tryin to decide between the S1, and V10, 65 or 58. Not a "purist" at all, and MIGHT adjust the screen here and there, but by no means do I know all this LINGO you guys throw around. Heck, my current TV is 10 years old, I don't even own a BD player! The 65V10 is WITHIN my price range, HOWEVER, saving the extra dough may allow me to get a new reciever sooner.
I have a reciever (still works great), and paradigm Monitor speakers, with SVS sub. Currently own a 60 RPTV so going smaller is kinda a no no for me. EPP prices are 1200 bucks lower than retail, so it's a good buy right now! OhTHE BOSS has already seen the 65S1 and liked it, and I would HOPE the 65V10 pic would look even better, she knows the price and has told me to JUST BUY IT ALREADY! Reading and trying to understand the differences is very helpful. Any additional info is well accepted.
I would assume that the current V10 owners would say BUY the v10However, some of you S1 owners, did you buy because you could not tell much PQ difference, or was it based more on price?

Originally Posted by drfreeman60

I am a V10 owner and I will not try to convince anyone that the V10 is worth the price differential over the same S1 or in smaller sizes the G10.

However, as I planned on keeping my TV a minimum of three years (the wife thinks longer, LOL), I wanted the best picture available for what I had to spend. The tech that sits on the other side of the cubicle from me just purchased an S1 and I have helped him with setup and am quite familiar with both units.

The OP noted the four additional features on the V10 series. Here is my opinion on what they may or may not be worth.

24p Cinematic Playback

This one meant quite a lot to me as this preserved the original feel of film based materials. If you do not have an extensive film based Blu-Ray collection, or if it's not in your plans to begin to accumulate an extensive film based Blu-Ray collection, then this feature means little or nothing. 24p playback is available only on Blu-Ray, not DVD. If you have been watching DVD's on a standard TV (which look extremely good) and are happy with them, then don't add any weight to this feature. My wife and I love it, but we love movies. Actually, my wife can not always see the difference between 60hz playback with 3:2 pulldown or 96hz/24p playback. It probably depends on how well the material was transferred.

Digital Cinema Color
This is the expanded color format. Currently there is no content available using this format, so it is not worth very much. Turned off on my V10.

x.v. Color
This makes the device compatible with content recorded with x.v. color. To my knowledge, there is no commercial content or broadcast content using this. I know Sony marketed this as a feature on some of their camcorders a few years ago. Do not know if it is still around or not. Again, little or no value to most people.

THX Mode
This is really a plus and one of the reasons I purchased the V10 or the other models. THX mode gives very accurate color and gray scale right out of the box. Better than almost anyone can do by eye. Initial sets with this had an antique look (leaned towards yellow). This was corrected by a firmware update and I believe all of the new Panasonic TV's since July with this feature have the corrected firmware.

Saying all of that, I don't use THX as some of the settings for Custom mode in the V10 settings forum look just a little bit brighter while maintaining the color balance of the THX mode.

If you plan on having your set professionally calibrated or you enjoy playing with the settings yourself and have a decent reference, like Digital Video Essentials, THX may not mean very much to you. If you want to take it out of the box, set it and forget it, THX has a great deal of value.

Flicker is not an issue with either set. Some people notice flicker on the 96hz/24p mode which, unless there is something wrong with their set, is actually the cadence of 24 frame per second film. Some folks don't like this as they are more used to the smoother playback from 60hz 3:2 pulldown for film based material.

There is absolutely no problem watching Blu-Ray or Sports. Both units handle these incredibly well.

My friends S1 looks as good in his home as my V10 looks in mine. We have adjusted the user settings to get as good a picture as possible using Digital Video Essentials and our own eyes, no test equipment. When at his house his S1 looks terrific. When at my house, the V10 looks terrific. How would they look side by side, I really don't know. I think they would be very close. Some people might see some differences, some people wouldn't.

The two features that steered me to the V10 were 24p cinematic playback and the extra user level picture adjustments not available in the other models. If these are important to you, then the V10 is a better choice. If not, take the extra money and get a top notch Blu-Ray player, a good sound system, take your wife out to dinner and a movie and a night in a fancy hotel, buy the S1 and pocket the difference.

Originally Posted by Zivman

The V10 is a noticably better display than the S1. The colors are much nicer and the black levels seem much deeper. That said, they are basically the same panels and the differences really come in the form of adjustability and the handling of the 24fps.

My thought is this. If you are willing to spend upwords of 4 grand on the V10, I think you're better off saving a grand and getting a KRP-600M. Yes, you are giving up 5" of screen, but more than making up for it with PQ. If you want the screen size, I would probably get the S1 display and hope to get it for 2200-2300 bucks. I just can't see 1500+ worth of quality in the V10 over the S1... especially when you can get a KRP-600M for around 3 grand