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Originally Posted by drfreeman60 
I am a V10 owner and I will not try to convince anyone that the V10 is worth the price differential over the same S1 or in smaller sizes the G10.
However, as I planned on keeping my TV a minimum of three years (the wife thinks longer, LOL), I wanted the best picture available for what I had to spend. The tech that sits on the other side of the cubicle from me just purchased an S1 and I have helped him with setup and am quite familiar with both units.
The OP noted the four additional features on the V10 series. Here is my opinion on what they may or may not be worth.
24p Cinematic Playback
This one meant quite a lot to me as this preserved the original feel of film based materials. If you do not have an extensive film based Blu-Ray collection, or if it's not in your plans to begin to accumulate an extensive film based Blu-Ray collection, then this feature means little or nothing. 24p playback is available only on Blu-Ray, not DVD. If you have been watching DVD's on a standard TV (which look extremely good) and are happy with them, then don't add any weight to this feature. My wife and I love it, but we love movies. Actually, my wife can not always see the difference between 60hz playback with 3:2 pulldown or 96hz/24p playback. It probably depends on how well the material was transferred.
Digital Cinema Color
This is the expanded color format. Currently there is no content available using this format, so it is not worth very much. Turned off on my V10.
x.v. Color
This makes the device compatible with content recorded with x.v. color. To my knowledge, there is no commercial content or broadcast content using this. I know Sony marketed this as a feature on some of their camcorders a few years ago. Do not know if it is still around or not. Again, little or no value to most people.
THX Mode
This is really a plus and one of the reasons I purchased the V10 or the other models. THX mode gives very accurate color and gray scale right out of the box. Better than almost anyone can do by eye. Initial sets with this had an antique look (leaned towards yellow). This was corrected by a firmware update and I believe all of the new Panasonic TV's since July with this feature have the corrected firmware.
Saying all of that, I don't use THX as some of the settings for Custom mode in the V10 settings forum look just a little bit brighter while maintaining the color balance of the THX mode.
If you plan on having your set professionally calibrated or you enjoy playing with the settings yourself and have a decent reference, like Digital Video Essentials, THX may not mean very much to you. If you want to take it out of the box, set it and forget it, THX has a great deal of value.
Flicker is not an issue with either set. Some people notice flicker on the 96hz/24p mode which, unless there is something wrong with their set, is actually the cadence of 24 frame per second film. Some folks don't like this as they are more used to the smoother playback from 60hz 3:2 pulldown for film based material.
There is absolutely no problem watching Blu-Ray or Sports. Both units handle these incredibly well.
My friends S1 looks as good in his home as my V10 looks in mine. We have adjusted the user settings to get as good a picture as possible using Digital Video Essentials and our own eyes, no test equipment. When at his house his S1 looks terrific. When at my house, the V10 looks terrific. How would they look side by side, I really don't know. I think they would be very close. Some people might see some differences, some people wouldn't.
The two features that steered me to the V10 were 24p cinematic playback and the extra user level picture adjustments not available in the other models. If these are important to you, then the V10 is a better choice. If not, take the extra money and get a top notch Blu-Ray player, a good sound system, take your wife out to dinner and a movie and a night in a fancy hotel, buy the S1 and pocket the difference.
I am a V10 owner and I will not try to convince anyone that the V10 is worth the price differential over the same S1 or in smaller sizes the G10.
However, as I planned on keeping my TV a minimum of three years (the wife thinks longer, LOL), I wanted the best picture available for what I had to spend. The tech that sits on the other side of the cubicle from me just purchased an S1 and I have helped him with setup and am quite familiar with both units.
The OP noted the four additional features on the V10 series. Here is my opinion on what they may or may not be worth.
24p Cinematic Playback
This one meant quite a lot to me as this preserved the original feel of film based materials. If you do not have an extensive film based Blu-Ray collection, or if it's not in your plans to begin to accumulate an extensive film based Blu-Ray collection, then this feature means little or nothing. 24p playback is available only on Blu-Ray, not DVD. If you have been watching DVD's on a standard TV (which look extremely good) and are happy with them, then don't add any weight to this feature. My wife and I love it, but we love movies. Actually, my wife can not always see the difference between 60hz playback with 3:2 pulldown or 96hz/24p playback. It probably depends on how well the material was transferred.
Digital Cinema Color
This is the expanded color format. Currently there is no content available using this format, so it is not worth very much. Turned off on my V10.
x.v. Color
This makes the device compatible with content recorded with x.v. color. To my knowledge, there is no commercial content or broadcast content using this. I know Sony marketed this as a feature on some of their camcorders a few years ago. Do not know if it is still around or not. Again, little or no value to most people.
THX Mode
This is really a plus and one of the reasons I purchased the V10 or the other models. THX mode gives very accurate color and gray scale right out of the box. Better than almost anyone can do by eye. Initial sets with this had an antique look (leaned towards yellow). This was corrected by a firmware update and I believe all of the new Panasonic TV's since July with this feature have the corrected firmware.
Saying all of that, I don't use THX as some of the settings for Custom mode in the V10 settings forum look just a little bit brighter while maintaining the color balance of the THX mode.
If you plan on having your set professionally calibrated or you enjoy playing with the settings yourself and have a decent reference, like Digital Video Essentials, THX may not mean very much to you. If you want to take it out of the box, set it and forget it, THX has a great deal of value.
Flicker is not an issue with either set. Some people notice flicker on the 96hz/24p mode which, unless there is something wrong with their set, is actually the cadence of 24 frame per second film. Some folks don't like this as they are more used to the smoother playback from 60hz 3:2 pulldown for film based material.
There is absolutely no problem watching Blu-Ray or Sports. Both units handle these incredibly well.
My friends S1 looks as good in his home as my V10 looks in mine. We have adjusted the user settings to get as good a picture as possible using Digital Video Essentials and our own eyes, no test equipment. When at his house his S1 looks terrific. When at my house, the V10 looks terrific. How would they look side by side, I really don't know. I think they would be very close. Some people might see some differences, some people wouldn't.
The two features that steered me to the V10 were 24p cinematic playback and the extra user level picture adjustments not available in the other models. If these are important to you, then the V10 is a better choice. If not, take the extra money and get a top notch Blu-Ray player, a good sound system, take your wife out to dinner and a movie and a night in a fancy hotel, buy the S1 and pocket the difference.
thants great info! Something for me to chew on. nice hotel like the Montoge in Laguna Beach??
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Originally Posted by Zivman
The V10 is a noticably better display than the S1. The colors are much nicer and the black levels seem much deeper. That said, they are basically the same panels and the differences really come in the form of adjustability and the handling of the 24fps.
My thought is this. If you are willing to spend upwords of 4 grand on the V10, I think you're better off saving a grand and getting a KRP-600M. Yes, you are giving up 5" of screen, but more than making up for it with PQ. If you want the screen size, I would probably get the S1 display and hope to get it for 2200-2300 bucks. I just can't see 1500+ worth of quality in the V10 over the S1... especially when you can get a KRP-600M for around 3 grand
The V10 is a noticably better display than the S1. The colors are much nicer and the black levels seem much deeper. That said, they are basically the same panels and the differences really come in the form of adjustability and the handling of the 24fps.
My thought is this. If you are willing to spend upwords of 4 grand on the V10, I think you're better off saving a grand and getting a KRP-600M. Yes, you are giving up 5" of screen, but more than making up for it with PQ. If you want the screen size, I would probably get the S1 display and hope to get it for 2200-2300 bucks. I just can't see 1500+ worth of quality in the V10 over the S1... especially when you can get a KRP-600M for around 3 grand
Thank you for the reply. currently the 65v10 can be had for 1100 less than retail (retail is 3999). The S1 thru my EPP can be had for only 800 bucks less than retail (retail is 3199). So net savings on an S1 would be 500 bucks. thats not going to break the bank. But it will allow me to get that top notch BD player a lot sooner, or that new reciever a lot sooner. but the v10 will allow me more control to PQ and what not. no clue what 24p is either. UH...Decisions decisions...I'm the type of guy that like the best he can afford. I'm NOT shelling out 4kfor the kuro. i know its only 1k more than what my budget is, but not going to do that.
