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post #1051 of 1223
Luck of the draw. Had a similar problem with my Marantz SA8003 SACD player but that one seemed more reliable.

I now play my BR movies on the Oppo, leaving only multichannel music (SACD/DVDA/BD) on the DenonLink combo
post #1052 of 1223
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Originally Posted by deckarep View Post

Yes, the DENON DBT-3313UD Universal Blu-Ray Disc Player with Denon Link HD (A phono/RCA plug connection) and can be used with the new DENON AVR-3313 Home Cinema Receiver or the new DENON AVR-4520 Home Cinema Receiver.
No info about the DL HD link yet, AFAIK.
Deck

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zYw1zws_Kg
post #1053 of 1223
I have not been able to post/lurk much lately because of the mobile app for AVS no longer being good. I've had my DBP-A100 for a month and every disc has played fine so far, including the Brothers in Arms 20th anniversary SACD. Had problem with one Elton John SACD
that after cleaning was OK. I am using DL 3 and 4 very pleased with SQ with my AVR-4311 and 4310.I have recently posted questions on Denon USA and Denon Australia Facebook
pages about DL-HD and actually got responses from Denon in both spots (eventually). The info
they gave was 1) DL-HD is not backward compatible w/DL-3/4 2) DL-HD will transmit clock data and all audio is handled by HDMI and 3) DBT-3313 will not be available until fall/Christmas.This
all dovetails with information jdsmoothie has posted on AVS recently.
I am very tempted to get a 2nd DBP-A100 or 4010 for my 2nd AVR/room but have to admit I am
leery because of reading reports of some users having problems loading certain discs, sluggish
response, etc. Seems like some of us are having better luck than others. I've read this thread (and another in the UK) I've seen a few horror stories about this model...it IS slow at times but the sound and picture quality is excellent IMHO. The reliability and quirky Denon disc transport issue does give me pause regarding my 2nd room so I have thought about an OPPO 93 or 95.
The AVR-4520 / DBT-3313 combo is tempting but I kind of hate the thought of selling my 4310
and/or 4311...decisions,decisions. Sound of Mind you've had your unit quite some time now, are
things still going OK? Anyone else have any updates on their units?
post #1054 of 1223
^Hi David. I've had no problems with the DBP-A100 and it's playing all my discs of various formats. It is noticably slower turnin on and loading a Bluray than the Oppos I had. But I just relax fort a few more seconds anticipating the extra SQ on music.

As for the AVR-A100, it is great as well. I consider these reliable, hi quality build units and the SQ on my system with Audyssey Pro is awesome.

I'm very happy with Denon and DL3 smile.gif
post #1055 of 1223
i currently have a 3800bdci and wonder if I would see an improvement in PQ with bluray/dvds with this unit or the anniversary edition
post #1056 of 1223
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Originally Posted by jprod View Post

i currently have a 3800bdci and wonder if I would see an improvement in PQ with bluray/dvds with this unit or the anniversary edition


Yes, indeed you will. I am a former DVD-3800BDCI owner and this is the best Denon player I've ever owned, Video wise, the scaler in the 4010 or A-100 (which I own) does an amazing job in up converting DVD's. Some of my well mastered DVD's look almost BD like. There is a real sence of depth, that the 3800bdci never came close to giving me. BD's load a lot quicker, set up is a breeze and there is no audio lag if your using the 7.1 pre-outs. BD video quality is much better, sharper and more pronounced.


The thing that I was floored by is the sonic quality of the player JUST PLAYING CD'S.

I don't know if Denon is still using Burr Brown DAC's, but whatever they're using, (to me) its on par with the old beast, Sony's SACD-1. I'm far from being an audiophile, but in the past three weeks, Ive spent just as much time listening to music: CD, DVD Audio, SACD and BD Concerts. I was blown away when I put in my old Boz Scaggs "Hits" album. I thought it was a hybrid disc and I didn't change the layer to stereo.

Love it!!! biggrin.gif Grab a DBP-A100 and listen to music all over again. Throw in a BD every now and again to feed the beast.
post #1057 of 1223
How do you have the anniversary player connected in your setup ?Are the differences you descibe through the analog stage of the player?
post #1058 of 1223
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Originally Posted by kgun View Post

Yes, indeed you will. I am a former DVD-3800BDCI owner and this is the best Denon player I've ever owned, Video wise, the scaler in the 4010 or A-100 (which I own) does an amazing job in up converting DVD's. Some of my well mastered DVD's look almost BD like. There is a real sence of depth, that the 3800bdci never came close to giving me. BD's load a lot quicker, set up is a breeze and there is no audio lag if your using the 7.1 pre-outs. BD video quality is much better, sharper and more pronounced.
The thing that I was floored by is the sonic quality of the player JUST PLAYING CD'S.
I don't know if Denon is still using Burr Brown DAC's, but whatever they're using, (to me) its on par with the old beast, Sony's SACD-1. I'm far from being an audiophile, but in the past three weeks, Ive spent just as much time listening to music: CD, DVD Audio, SACD and BD Concerts. I was blown away when I put in my old Boz Scaggs "Hits" album. I thought it was a hybrid disc and I didn't change the layer to stereo.
Love it!!! biggrin.gif Grab a DBP-A100 and listen to music all over again. Throw in a BD every now and again to feed the beast.

+1 really impressed with my DBP-A100, I've had it a little over a month. Both the 4010 and the A-100 use the Burr Brown 1796 DAC's.
I listen analog some and also use Denon Link. I'm listening to a lot of music too redbook CDs are amazing and SACD/DVD-As are extra nice.
Standard definition DVDs look darn good. Just hope it lasts and the "gremlins" don't start up...
post #1059 of 1223
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Originally Posted by davidbarrickman View Post

+1 really impressed with my DBP-A100, I've had it a little over a month. Both the 4010 and the A-100 use the Burr Brown 1796 DAC's.
I listen analog some and also use Denon Link. I'm listening to a lot of music too redbook CDs are amazing and SACD/DVD-As are extra nice.
Standard definition DVDs look darn good. Just hope it lasts and the "gremlins" don't start up...

Umm Gremlins...??
post #1060 of 1223
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Originally Posted by kgun View Post

Umm Gremlins...??

I have seen posts on this thread and other forums that have described some problems/issues with this player.In many instances firmware updates fixed these issues...certain discs not loading the most frequent problem. I've read of some owner's units refusing to play bluray discs but still being able to play
DVDs and/or CDs, The laser/transport in this unit appears to "picky" at times and prone to problems and/or failure in some cases. If you type the search
words "no disc" you'll get a few hits in this thread and others. Reading about these issues played into my decision to spring for the DBP-A100 version of
this model since it has a 5 year warranty and I was able to get it from an authorized dealer.
In some cases using compressed air and/or lens cleaner seems to do the trick. But so far I've had no problems and it appears a lot of us are happy...I've just read a handful of horror stories about the 4010 which made me pause before jumping in. I got a kick out of your post because I could relate to your
enthusiasm about listening to music on this unit...even RBCDs as you posted.
post #1061 of 1223
+1
Over many months, I've had an occasional disc act up. Cleaning the disc seemed to do the trick for me for skips. For the rare won't-read situation I ejected the disc and power cycled the player and it was fine. I've never cleaned the player's lens itself but that is also an option if several discs that worked fine before suddenly begin to act up.

From my reading on the Oppo threads, when all units of a player model won't play a certain tittle, that is due to studios continuing to mess with BluRay format. That is the kind of issue that will respond to a FW update. I don't have an extensive BluRay collection and am not the first to buy a disc (except the new Sherlock Holmes) so I've not encountered that problem with Oppo or Denon.
post #1062 of 1223
So the abt chip is better than the hqv in the 3800bdci ?
post #1063 of 1223
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Originally Posted by SoundofMind View Post

+1
Denon A100.

SoM, can you leed me to the firmware update page for our A100's? smile.gif

Thank you sir,
Chuck
post #1064 of 1223
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Originally Posted by kgun View Post

Yes, indeed you will. I am a former DVD-3800BDCI owner and this is the best Denon player I've ever owned, Video wise, the scaler in the 4010 or A-100 (which I own) does an amazing job in up converting DVD's. Some of my well mastered DVD's look almost BD like. There is a real sence of depth, that the 3800bdci never came close to giving me. BD's load a lot quicker, set up is a breeze and there is no audio lag if your using the 7.1 pre-outs. BD video quality is much better, sharper and more pronounced.
The thing that I was floored by is the sonic quality of the player JUST PLAYING CD'S.
I don't know if Denon is still using Burr Brown DAC's, but whatever they're using, (to me) its on par with the old beast, Sony's SACD-1. I'm far from being an audiophile, but in the past three weeks, Ive spent just as much time listening to music: CD, DVD Audio, SACD and BD Concerts. I was blown away when I put in my old Boz Scaggs "Hits" album. I thought it was a hybrid disc and I didn't change the layer to stereo.
Love it!!! biggrin.gif Grab a DBP-A100 and listen to music all over again. Throw in a BD every now and again to feed the beast.

That's how I feel, a good DVD transfer is a stones throw from BD on this thing- except for background details...Mileage may vary by screen size. Out of the OPPO 83, the Denon 4010 and the Denon 2012- the 4010 is superior on DVD video performance, and it has better audio all around. No serious operational problems with mine. I guess you never know what you're gonna get when you buy electroinics nowadays, but I'm very satisfied with my 4010.
post #1065 of 1223
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Originally Posted by kgun View Post

SoM, can you leed me to the firmware update page for our A100's? smile.gif
Thank you sir, Chuck
Hi Chuck. I'm no expert on this and am unsure what you mean. FW updates are done via Network- the network FW update procedure is on OM p 31: Menu->other setup->FW Update. Network connection and setup is on OM pp 19 and 29.

Here is a description of the last FW release, that I've not even done myself as yet. redface.gif

Hope that helps.
post #1066 of 1223
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SOM Thanks for the help, got the 4311/DBPA100 combo.


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post #1067 of 1223
^Glad to be of help. And you've got the 3 blu lights lit! smile.gif

What do you think of music via DL3?
post #1068 of 1223
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Originally Posted by guillermorb73 View Post

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SOM Thanks for the help, got the 4311/DBPA100 combo.
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Congradulations on your combo! I am using the same set-up, got my DBP-A100 a couple of months ago
(inspired by SOM & other AVS members) and so far, so good! Report back and let us know how things are
going for you when you get a chance...glad to see the 3 blue light status!
post #1069 of 1223
I'm still tweaking, I'll let you guys know what I think after a bit....48b2c64e-7300-2084.jpg48b2c64e-730e-1b42.jpg


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post #1070 of 1223
I just tried to purchase the 4010 but apparently as of now the 4010 has been discontinued and replaced with the DBT-3313UDCI. mad.gif

Apparently this has no DL4 connector although it does have a DL4 phono style connection for the clock signal, so as I need the old style DL4 connection I had to get a refurb unit from Accessories 4 Less. At least it comes with a one year Denon warranty smile.gif.
Edited by Digione - 9/14/12 at 11:00am
post #1071 of 1223
I just received and setup my refurbed 4010 with my Denon AVP using DL4 and I have to say I am really impressed with both the picture and sound compared to my old Denon 3800 (no DL) and Denon 5900 (DL3). The unit I got was made in Japan by Denon in September 2010.

Everything seems to work OK so far and it has played every type of disc I can throw at it. However, all the screws were missing from the rear panel that holds the PCB that contains the DL4, coaxial and network connectors. I am waiting to see what Accessories4less has to say about this.

I have one question to all you other 4010 owners. My AL24 light is always on no matter what disc I play - the DL and clock indicators work as I would expect. Is there ANY condition that will cause the AL24 light to turn off? I do not understand why it would be on when I am streaming SACD DSD as the 4010 is not processing this stream over DL3/4.
post #1072 of 1223
^AL24 engages and lights when PCM is processed. If sending DSD bitstream (via Cat5/DL3) or BluRay bitstream (via HDMI/DL4) it will not . It is all about the player settings.
post #1073 of 1223
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Originally Posted by SoundofMind View Post

^AL24 engages and lights when PCM is processed. If sending DSD bitstream (via Cat5/DL3) or BluRay bitstream (via HDMI/DL4) it will not . It is all about the player settings.

Looks like my unit may be faulty then and there is something rattling around inside it.

I have today returned the unit for a refund due to the missing screws, internal rattling sounds and AL24 light never going off no matter what I type of disc I play or the settings I choose over either DL3/4, HDMI or analog out.

I have ordered a NEW Denon DBP-A100 smile.gif
post #1074 of 1223
Sorry to hear about your problems with the refurb, sounds like A4less is doing the
right thing. Hope everything works out OK with the BDP-A100, I've been a user since
May and really like it, using DL 3/4.
My AL 24 light remains on when sending bitstream DSD too. Never really noticed it,
most of my attention has been getting the 2nd and especially the 3rd light on....one
explanation MIGHT be that I've noticed the 7.1 analog outs are active while using DL,
(even though settings in the menu are greyed out)...perhaps this has something to do
with the DSD being converted to PCM for bass management in the player before it is
output via the 7.1 analog outs??? EDIT: BASS MANAGEMENT IS NOT ACTIVE w/DL ON, wrong...
In the audio setup menu, there is a downmix setting for the 2ch analog outs, I just now
experimented changing this setting, but AL24 light remains on.
I will try to pay closer attention to this (I have noticed the AL 24 light go off and on with
my AVRs) but I'm thinking on the A100 it's been on all the time!
SoM is right, I'm sure it relates to the settings on the player somehow, one poorly documented
setting is "Source Direct" in the Audio Setup menu. This setting ALSO is greyed out when
using Denon Link. I made the mistake of experimenting with this once (OFF to ON:100 kHz)
and when I changed the input on my AVR 4311 to "analog" (not EXT IN) I heard a few seconds
of horrific distortion w/ the SACD audio, scared the crap out of me! There is a warning in the
typically poor and unclear owner's manual about this setting as it relates to one's
AVR/AVP/AMP, so be careful if you choose to "experiment". If using DL this setting isn't available,
so it should be a non-issue. BTW I just now disabled DL and turned Source Directt on briefly to see if
this affects the AL24 light,..it doesn't...kind of strange...
please note "source direct" in the audio setup menu shouldn't be confused with the source direct
setting for HDMI resolution or pure direct. Denonese can be very confusing...eek.gif
Congrats on your new BDP-A100, with your AVP I think you'll be very happy. smile.gif
Thanks again to Sound of Mind who first inspired me to give DL a try several
months ago.
Edited by davidbarrickman - 9/19/12 at 11:16am
post #1075 of 1223
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Originally Posted by davidbarrickman View Post

Sorry to hear about your problems with the refurb, sounds like A4less is doing the
right thing. Hope everything works out OK with the BDP-A100, I've been a user since
May and really like it, using DL 3/4.
My AL 24 light remains on when sending bitstream DSD too. Never really noticed it,
most of my attention has been getting the 2nd and especially the 3rd light on....one
explanation MIGHT be that I've noticed the 7.1 analog outs are active while using DL,
(even though settings in the menu are greyed out)...perhaps this has something to do
with the DSD being converted to PCM for bass management in the player before it is
output via the 7.1 analog outs???
In the audio setup menu, there is a downmix setting for the 2ch analog outs, I just now
experimented changing this setting, but AL24 light remains on.
I will try to pay closer attention to this (I have noticed the AL 24 light go off and on with
my AVRs) but I'm thinking on the A100 it's been on all the time!
SoM is right, I'm sure it relates to the settings on the player somehow, one poorly documented
setting is "Source Direct" in the Audio Setup menu. This setting ALSO is greyed out when
using Denon Link. I made the mistake of experimenting with this once (OFF to ON:100 kHz)
and when I changed the input on my AVR 4311 to "analog" (not EXT IN) I heard a few seconds
of horrific distortion w/ the SACD audio, scared the crap out of me! There is a warning in the
typically poor and unclear owner's manual about this setting as it relates to one's
AVR/AVP/AMP, so be careful if you choose to "experiment". If using DL this setting isn't available,
so it should be a non-issue. BTW I just now disabled DL and turned Source Directt on briefly to see if
this affects the AL24 light,..it doesn't...kind of strange...
please note "source direct" in the audio setup menu shouldn't be confused with the source direct
setting for HDMI resolution or pure direct. Denonese can be very confusing...eek.gif
Congrats on your new BDP-A100, with your AVP I think you'll be very happy. smile.gif
Thanks again to Sound of Mind who first inspired me to give DL a try several
months ago.

I was very impressed with both the video and DL4 audio performance of the 4010. It was just a pity that the factory refurbishing was so poorly done. I could clearly tell that the audio using DL4 for Blu Ray was better than the audio I had over HDMI from my Denon 3800 Blu Ray player, and the video was significantly better with much lower noise and a much sharper picture and better contrast. I was surprised to hear that the audio when under DL4 control was slightly cleaner, more intelligible and less "brittle" than what I heard over HDMI alone. This may have been a function of the two different players but bit streaming is bit streaming and the only difference would be the reduction in jitter using DL4.

Anyway the 4010 has gone back and the BDP-A100 is on its way and I am really looking forward to setting it up. I am still confused however as to what conditions on the 4010/A100 would cause the DL light to ever go off.
post #1076 of 1223
The DL light which can be troublesome is the 3rd light..."clock control" which is
ONLY involved with DL4 and blurays...if you have it working for you, GREAT! A lot
of us have had a lIttle trouble with this. For RBCD, SACD and DVD-A/ DVD-V the
3rd light (clock control) will not be lit, just the first 2....Advanced AL24 & ON (Denon
Link). The "ON" light only goes off if I intentionally disable it in the setup menu (hardly
ever). As I posted before, the AL24 seems to remain on (in my experience) no matter what.
If in the future you have trouble getting the 3rd light on with bluray, we can most likely help
you get the settings right, but it sounds like you aren't having trouble.
Sorry I can't offer a better explanation for the AL24 light being on constantly...
post #1077 of 1223
recently I sold my 4010 and bought a new A100

while they are supposed to be essentially the same, I discovered the new A100 will play BD discs that the 4010 would not recognize

and yes...the 3 blue lights still work smile.gif

I did see an issue with a Darbee hooked up: there was an HDMI issue which made the picture and sound disappear every few seconds: the Darbee was removed

it was hooked up: A100 > AVR-A100 > Gefen 8x8 toolbox matrix > Darbee > Sharp Elite 70
post #1078 of 1223
I need to clarify & correct something I posted re: AL24 light.
Bass management for the 7.1 analog outs is NOT active when
using Denon Link 3/4. So ignore my suggestion that this could
explain why the AL24 remains on while bitstreaming DSD via DL.
So perhaps it's related to the downmix for the 2.0 analog outs.
My bad, sorry...
My advice is too not worry about it, my AVR always verifies the DSD bitstream
Menu- Information-Audio Input Signal-Signal-DSD. cool.gif
AFAIK the only time I've seen the AL24 light go out on my player is when "pure direct" is on,
I don't use it w/DL because I can't hear any improvement/change...
Occasionally if I'm listening analog, pure direct seems to improve SQ slightly for 2.0
but it WILL disable the bass management for the 7.1 outs.
(no bass management for EXT IN on my AVR, the AVP may have it...) smile.gif
Edited by davidbarrickman - 9/19/12 at 11:08am
post #1079 of 1223
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Originally Posted by davidbarrickman View Post

I need to clarify & correct something I posted re: AL24 light.
Bass management for the 7.1 analog outs is NOT active when
using Denon Link 3/4. So ignore my suggestion that this could
explain why the AL24 remains on while bitstreaming DSD via DL.
So perhaps it's related to the downmix for the 2.0 analog outs.
My bad, sorry...
My advice is too not worry about it, my AVR always verifies the DSD bitstream
Menu- Information-Audio Input Signal-Signal-DSD. cool.gif
AFAIK the only time I've seen the AL24 light go out on my player is when "pure direct" is on,
I don't use it w/DL because I can't hear any improvement/change...
Occasionally if I'm listening analog, pure direct seems to improve SQ slightly for 2.0
but it WILL disable the bass management for the 7.1 outs.
(no bass management for EXT IN on my AVR, the AVP may have it...) smile.gif

Thanks for the response. However my new A100 has just arrived and I shall see tonight, and over the weekend, just how good it really is biggrin.gif

And yes, I got the third light (clock) to work on the 4010 just fine with Blu ray. You just have to enable the HDMI control and various auto functions in the correct order on both the player and receiver/pre-amp.
Edited by Digione - 9/23/12 at 2:42pm
post #1080 of 1223
Well, the new A100 was all that I hoped it would be. Just like the 4010 but not "in bits". eek.gif Plus, I get the 5 year warranty and Denon were kind enough to refund all my money for the returned 4010. smile.gif

All the three LED's do what I would expect them to. The only issue that I have is with my AVP; it occasionally deselects the HDMI auto function when only running audio over DL and sets the HDMI audio to digital. This stops DL4 from working on Blu Rays. No big deal now that I know about it.

It is a real pity that Denon no longer seems to manufacture any "high end" Blu Ray players with DL and full analog audio processing. Glad that I got one of the last ones.smile.gif
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