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post #391 of 1223
woohoo ! I have sucess ! I hope I havent spoken to soon.

I havent deleted TV/CBL in a huff.

Intsead tried hawke your suggestion here

Kuro Link/Switch Sound to AV
Home Menu/Control Setup/Kuro Link Control/Hold Sound Status = ON

ofcourse with hdmi control TV/CBL no longer can be assigned to hdmi. so assigned the tivo to the SAT input instead.

and it all works seamlessly !

"Watch TV" on the harmony switches the kuro on puts it on the input 5 and SAT is selected on the AVP and I get audio and video wow ! hehe

"Watch DVD" and everything switches on as it should and the 4010 shows the 3 lights with a blu-ray loaded

happy as a pig in pie ! hehe

ps as an aside just thought I'd check the ps3 (slim) hooked up on dvr-2 input works, and yep it still does no hijinks there !

guys I just want to thank you all collectively. Its amazing how with a group of us working together with suggestions going back and forth and people trying things seem to have got there. I had given up at one stage thinking. bloody bleeding edge crap !

In the end I think the kuro with its forest of kuro link settings many of them non sensical in name as much to blame as denons use of hdmi cec for what is completely unnecessary interaction wiht the display.

you know what I had a bit of a thought after getting it all going. just as got it working as it should. denon will probably come through with a firmware fix having it all working a lot simpler without all this settings mallarky and then I have to start again fiddling with the all settings hehe !
post #392 of 1223
I've got a even simpler setup now. I now have Kuro link off in my 500M, and HDMI Control Monitor is set to Auto in my Denon amp.

Since I've a Sony projector on Monitor 2, I just turn on HDMI Control there and I still got all 3 lights.

No need to delete TV/CBL too.
post #393 of 1223
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Originally Posted by alebonau View Post

woohoo ! I have sucess ! I hope I havent spoken to soon.

Thats great news Al ; it looks like the denon links jitter clock ; haveing taken over from the video clock in the player to give the signal better timing requires a complete source ;sink [repeater ] display edid to be active . The 'hold sound status' sounds very much like what the gefen detective would do holding the edid at a guess

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1183792


I find the hd tivo MichaelJHuman mentions in the 1st post spooky ;though I wont presuppose your aus one is similar Maybe a gefen detective would emulate the 2nd monitor output ;but wouldnt be very cost effective for sure ;just a curiosity to see if it would work..
post #394 of 1223
Quote:
Originally Posted by alebonau View Post

woohoo ! I have sucess ! I hope I havent spoken to soon.

I havent deleted TV/CBL in a huff.

Intsead tried hawke your suggestion here

Kuro Link/Switch Sound to AV
Home Menu/Control Setup/Kuro Link Control/Hold Sound Status = ON

ofcourse with hdmi control TV/CBL no longer can be assigned to hdmi. so assigned the tivo to the SAT input instead.

and it all works seamlessly !

"Watch TV" on the harmony switches the kuro on puts it on the input 5 and SAT is selected on the AVP and I get audio and video wow ! hehe

"Watch DVD" and everything switches on as it should and the 4010 shows the 3 lights with a blu-ray loaded

happy as a pig in pie ! hehe

ps as an aside just thought I'd check the ps3 (slim) hooked up on dvr-2 input works, and yep it still does no hijinks there !

guys I just want to thank you all collectively. Its amazing how with a group of us working together with suggestions going back and forth and people trying things seem to have got there. I had given up at one stage thinking. bloody bleeding edge crap !

In the end I think the kuro with its forest of kuro link settings many of them non sensical in name as much to blame as denons use of hdmi cec for what is completely unnecessary interaction wiht the display.

you know what I had a bit of a thought after getting it all going. just as got it working as it should. denon will probably come through with a firmware fix having it all working a lot simpler without all this settings mallarky and then I have to start again fiddling with the all settings hehe !


Yep, figured the same last night. I have my sky+ (SD) on TV/CBL and iwth Hold=ON it works properly and I no longer get the picture but no sound issues when switching (HDMI) source on the AVR-4810 that I was getting before too!

Yeah!
post #395 of 1223
noticed a 27 min update for aussie region player so downloading at the moment. wonder what that brings
post #396 of 1223
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Originally Posted by alebonau View Post

noticed a 27 min update for aussie region player so downloading at the moment. wonder what that brings

You're lucky, mines 44 minutes!!
its a new thing for me doing an update and not actually knowing what's being updated.
I havent had a Yami DVD/BR player before though with the AVR a white paper is issued any time a firmware update comes available..
*laughs* Just not sure what to look for to see what's changed or what I need to reset to what it was.. *shrugs*
post #397 of 1223
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Originally Posted by Azz View Post

You're lucky, mines 44 minutes!!
its a new thing for me doing an update and not actually knowing what's being updated.
I havent had a Yami DVD/BR player before though with the AVR a white paper is issued any time a firmware update comes available..
*laughs* Just not sure what to look for to see what's changed or what I need to reset to what it was.. *shrugs*

hehe denon has always been that way, same wiht the avr and avp.

I see it as house keeping
as long as they keep ahead of the gaming fixing problems before I find them it'll keep me happy

ps as far as updates, noticed this on the us website in the pipeline as well,

http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/5113.asp

Quote:


Prepared for the future, the DBP-4010UDCI will shortly be enabled with additional control capabilities, including remote access for custom integration diagnosis and correction, as well as a built-in web browser for PC/iPhone setup and control (update planned for March 2010 availability).

not that am totally sure what all thats about
post #398 of 1223
a good comparison including the 4010 posted by pete here on our home forum

http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?s...post&p=1496194

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[quote name='petetherock' date='Jan 23 2010, 12:34 PM' post='1496194']
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The Denon Link :

This is taken off the Denon website as to what the link does:

http://www.denon.com/glossary/2009/0...-link-4th.html

We have succeeded in using DENON LINK (a digital interface) as a dedicated clock signal transmission line to transmit high-grade digital signals in high speed and with negligible influence from external noise. Previously, the purpose of DENON LINK was to transmit the digital audio signals themselves, but the purpose of DENON LINK 4th is to control the clock.

DENON LINK 4th uses the master clock in the A/V surround receiver as the reference for controlling the video circuitry and the disc drive in the player, and the digital video and audio signals from Blu-ray disc are transmitted to the A/V surround receiver via an HDMI cable. This is how our DENON LINK 4th works.

DENON LINK 4th is able to transmit digital audio signals with negligible jitter because it has audio devices share the same clock. In addition, DENON LINK 4th has achieved a world first by suppressing jitter to an absolute minimum even for the playback of Blu-ray discs that include video signals.

Jitter suppression brings exceptional results to three-dimensional playback in such areas as sound localization, sound spaces and sound images. The sound space of a concert hall, for instance, is reproduced so clearly that it feels as though the artists are performing in very close proximity to the listener.

So does it work?
It was quite obvious to the audience that the Link played a role and it was better with the Link than without.

For this segment, we played the start to the Blu Ray Disc Transformers, concentrating on the narrative voice right up to the appearance of the Transformers logo.
The narrator is Peter Cullen who has a clear, deep voice which has a rich tone. There is a music sequence too and we listened for the clarity of this and how clear the voice was in the midst of all the soundtrack.

The Link gave the Denon 4010 a clear advantage and it emerged top of the pile for audio via HDMI.

So for digital signals to the Denon amp, the order of merit was (from best to worst):

Denon 4010 with the Link
Denon 4010 without the Link
Oppo SE
Oppo Regular

Feeding a bitstream signal to the Denon amp, there was definitely a difference between the players, but between the 2 Oppos, the difference was not much. The power supply has been modified in the Oppo SE, but the improvements were clearly not in the HDMI section.

Even with revealing speakers, the differences are subtle.
post #399 of 1223
Quote:
Originally Posted by alebonau View Post

ps as far as updates, noticed this on the us website in the pipeline as well,

http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/5113.asp
not that am totally sure what all thats about

Dont know what the ' additional control capabilities' are Al ; but the remote access diagnosis will help your dealer sort out any problems it has over the bd live ethernet presumably . I think halcro had something similar 'remote diagnosis' ;very nice
The web browser sounds similar to the oppo's new widget[ youtube etc] when it gets up to speed [its in its infancy atm].
post #400 of 1223
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Originally Posted by cwt View Post

Dont know what the ' additional control capabilities' are Al ; but the remote access diagnosis will help your dealer sort out any problems it has over the bd live ethernet presumably . I think halcro had something similar 'remote diagnosis' ;very nice
The web browser sounds similar to the oppo's new widget[ youtube etc] when it gets up to speed [its in its infancy atm].

The AVRs have had web access for a while. Its just mirroring all the options in a web interface. An ugly one. A slow one. I think I used it once or twice.
post #401 of 1223
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Originally Posted by SledgeHammer View Post

The AVRs have had web access for a while. Its just mirroring all the options in a web interface. An ugly one. A slow one. I think I used it once or twice.

Interesting Sledgehammer; a bit of a shame ; Barry Gordon wrote one similar for us cary 11a owners ; Ile try it one of these days ;might save writing down the parameters before losing them with a firmware upgrade
post #402 of 1223
hehe strange things after the last update for the 4010. the TV/CBL input on my denon avp mysteriously re-appeared

with the denon avp switching to that darn tv/cbl input again on switch on. ofcourse a quick delete of the tv/cbl input soon fixed that and not had an issue since ! all very odd though. I wonder if denon has been having a bit of a play ?
post #403 of 1223
After installing the new Firmware I think that Ive developed a problem though Ive only used Digital Video Essentails BR.

Hitting Pause at an appropriate test pattern, then when I hit play to resume it wont, i have to hit FF then play to get the BR to continue.
Further, I get no audio to the AVR via bitstream unless i hit play again.

I'd run this disc before without any issue - More testing required with different material.
post #404 of 1223
Quote:
Originally Posted by Azz View Post

After installing the new Firmware I think that Ive developed a problem though Ive only used Digital Video Essentails BR.

Hitting Pause at an appropriate test pattern, then when I hit play to resume it wont, i have to hit FF then play to get the BR to continue.
Further, I get no audio to the AVR via bitstream unless i hit play again.

I'd run this disc before without any issue - More testing required with different material.

perhaps worth checking with another disc az, I've been watching band of brothers since doing the update. And used pause quite a bit (you have to being a java disc you cant stop or it goes back to the beginning). and it is all from memory responding as it should. ie after pause I use play to continue on. if I hit pause while it is pause which I have done accidentaly at times then it goes into step mode, ie a frame advance. I should say coming out of pause at times especially if an extended period I do wonder about lip synch ? if there is it seems to be remidied with another quick pause play sequence. also there is a stutter in play straight after a pause but this has always been there. perhaps a symtom of hdmi lock. not something I ever noticed with my sony 5000es.

that said my god the picture quality with band of brothers is simply stunning. just left me in awe in just so many scenes. PQ wise disc 5 part 10 the final episode is a great example of this. wiht the opening scene of winters by the lake chatting. wow ! and sound wise any of the battle scenes either in town of in the fields or in the forest. literally mind blowing amazing for a TV mini series. Can see the 100 million or so went especially with spielberg behind it !
post #405 of 1223
I downloaded the new update today.
All seemed to go well.... I hope.
I was also hoping that the update would fix the problem the 4010 has with the IronMan bluray, but it still doesn't play
Has anybody had any luck getting IronMan bluray to play on their 4010?

DreamCatcher
post #406 of 1223
Quote:
Originally Posted by DreamCatcher View Post

I downloaded the new update today.
All seemed to go well.... I hope.
I was also hoping that the update would fix the problem the 4010 has with the IronMan bluray, but it still doesn't play
Has anybody had any luck getting IronMan bluray to play on their 4010?

DreamCatcher

as mentioned iron man plays on mine no probs out of the box before I apply any updates. but mine is a local aussie region b player so likely runs different firmware etc and our discs here being region b likely different as well

a new update did you say ? I might go heck if anything new for us here in oz ?
post #407 of 1223
Not a lot of support here in oz on updates, I friend of mine might be buying a 4010 from Singapore at a great price I have talked him in to getting a Region A more title to buy. I think In Blu-ray you need two player for two region I use my 3800 Denon (A) and my Sony 550 (B) you have the best for both worlds
post #408 of 1223
I had the same problem with Iron Man. See my earlier post on 01-09-10 for a solution that worked for me.

Mike

QUOTE=DreamCatcher;18097462]I downloaded the new update today.
All seemed to go well.... I hope.
I was also hoping that the update would fix the problem the 4010 has with the IronMan bluray, but it still doesn't play
Has anybody had any luck getting IronMan bluray to play on their 4010?

DreamCatcher[/quote]
post #409 of 1223
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Originally Posted by mjsammon View Post

I had the same problem with Iron Man. See my earlier post on 01-09-10 for a solution that worked for me.

Mike

QUOTE=DreamCatcher;18097462]I downloaded the new update today.
All seemed to go well.... I hope.
I was also hoping that the update would fix the problem the 4010 has with the IronMan bluray, but it still doesn't play
Has anybody had any luck getting IronMan bluray to play on their 4010?

DreamCatcher

[/quote]

Mike,
Thanks, I guess I somehow missed that
I disconnected the ethernet connection and IronMan now plays.
I'll try the BD Live erase trick to see if that works for me also.

DreamCatcher
post #410 of 1223
Quote:
Originally Posted by hdblu View Post

Not a lot of support here in oz on updates, I friend of mine might be buying a 4010 from Singapore at a great price I have talked him in to getting a Region A more title to buy. I think In Blu-ray you need two player for two region I use my 3800 Denon (A) and my Sony 550 (B) you have the best for both worlds

I dont think thats right at all HD, have found the denon support on updates pretty good actually with the 4010. they had one when I got it before christmas and then another update not that long ago, thats pretty good given the short time after release. and theres no bugs as such for our oz players that can think off, so think theyre doing pretty well
post #411 of 1223
Hi Al, I did not mean the Denon updates I was meaning for other players I have a sony 550 and it will not play same disc and am running the latest update Denon must be on top of it. also about Blu-ray in oz with the titles in oz in the Us there a lot more title, oz has a crappy selection, you can not even get the Robe here in oz very poor, that why you sort of need two players I do not have One oz title in my collection all US Disc
post #412 of 1223
Quote:
Originally Posted by hdblu View Post

Hi Al, I did not mean the Denon updates I was meaning for other players I have a sony 550 and it will not play same disc and am running the latest update Denon must be on top of it. also about Blu-ray in oz with the titles in oz in the Us there a lot more title, oz has a crappy selection, you can not even get the Robe here in oz very poor, that why you sort of need two players I do not have One oz title in my collection all US Disc

ah ok, I thought you meant re the denon which has been pretty good update wise. pity to hear on the sony 550 as with the 5000es they seemed pretty good with the updates. I'm not using it as much now as its my bedroom player. but it had better a play a disc if I put it in

I'm just the opposite re buying discs and 100% local, used to import a fair bit but dont bother these days with the local pricing being pretty good and range not too bad, dont mind waiting, but yeah your right some discs we dont seem to see
post #413 of 1223
The Denon Support has been very good, I have put in about 200 Titles in my 3800 and all work like a dream I have a friend that owns a Oppo and same title do not work in it, but the Denon player plays everything just fine a bit slower in load up time but I do not care about that as long as it plays in the end

Also I like the slim cases and nice art work that the US has
post #414 of 1223
New FW update for the 4010UD:
(1) In the blue ray disk of specification, operation in a state where it does not have the SD card was improved.
(2) At the time of DVD audio playback the case where it operates specification HDMI output was improved.
(3) The chapter search in the blue ray disk of specification was improved.
(4) Operation at the time of the layer change of DVD was improved.
(5) In the blue ray disk of specification, BD Audio Mode the case of Mix Audio Output setting voice response was improved.
(6) In addition improvement of operations.

From the JP support site:
http://66.196.80.202/babelfish/trans...d%2findex.html

Deck
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post #415 of 1223
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Originally Posted by deckarep View Post

New FW update for the 4010UD:
(1) In the blue ray disk of specification, operation in a state where it does not have the SD card was improved.
(2) At the time of DVD audio playback the case where it operates specification HDMI output was improved.
(3) The chapter search in the blue ray disk of specification was improved.
(4) Operation at the time of the layer change of DVD was improved.
(5) In the blue ray disk of specification, BD Audio Mode the case of Mix Audio Output setting voice response was improved.
(6) In addition improvement of operations.

From the JP support site:
http://66.196.80.202/babelfish/trans...d%2findex.html

Deck
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thanks for the heads up there, just checked and for my aussie region player we have a 26 min update as well. I suspect for the above. good going denon
post #416 of 1223
Hi, I am looking at these denon blu ray players...I dont quite get why denon blu ray players so expensive? Are they better than the ps3? Are they worth the money?
post #417 of 1223
Night of fun ruined. Ong Bok 2 Blu Ray from Notflix won't play at all. Freezes with no picture. No visible damage on the disc. Anyone else try this one?

This is only the 4th BD we've tried on the 4010--not a winning ratio...
post #418 of 1223
I'm interested in the 4010 to replace my PS3 as a Blu-ray player and my trusty Oppo 983 as a DVD/SACD/DVD-A player. I just ordered mine from Amazon.

My receiver is the Denon 5308.

Question: When the 4010 is playing SACDs over Denon Link, are all 3 layers of a hybrid SACD available over Denon Link? I usually listen to the multichannel layer, but I occasionally prefer the 2-channel layer due to weird placement of some instruments (kettle drums behind me in an orchestra - what?!).

Thank you.
post #419 of 1223
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Originally Posted by DoctorO View Post

Night of fun ruined. Ong Bok 2 Blu Ray from Notflix won't play at all. Freezes with no picture. No visible damage on the disc. Anyone else try this one?

This is only the 4th BD we've tried on the 4010--not a winning ratio...

Have you done the latest software update (i.e. the one that came out this week)? That addresses issues with playing BD's without SD-Card memory amongst other fixes.
post #420 of 1223
Is it possible to light up the the control clock light with the DBP-4010 connected to a Denon AVR-5308 (AVC-A1HDA)? I've tried everything.
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