Denon DBP-4010UDCI - Page 32

Originally Posted by SoundofMind

As I don't have 2 copies of any one SACD title, I went to my library and got 2copies of a nice SACD, LSO Live! Mahler: Symphony No. 1. I washed them, put one in the Oppo and one in the Denon. I used used the std Audyssey curve (no DynEQ), which is how I'd normally listen to a good recording at close to reference level. DSD was sent to, and decoded in, the AVR in both cases, over HDMI of course.

Originally Posted by pbarach

I'm confused. If you send DSD from the player to the AVR, doesn't that bypass Audyssey and bass management??

Originally Posted by SoundofMind

^Good point. But the kd Lang disc I cited is a music BluRay. I listened to the details of her voice, the snare drum, the guitar, etc.

For film I specifically avoid loud special effects, action scenes and dialog-heavy portions and instead pick soundtrack passages that would highlight any added detail and realism such as:
1. acoustic musical interludes such as when Sherlock Holmes follows Irene through the street carnival/circus to the sounds of that wonderful tango. My technique is to focus on several instruments in turn as well as the soundfield overall.
2. scenes in which there is an effort by the film remixer to establish detailed delicate sound ambiance such as the scene in which Sherlock is early to arive and awaits his dinner companions in the restaurant, or several street scenes in the movie with the sound of horses, people, a crow, etc. Again I listen over and over, to specific sounds as well as the entire surround bubble.
3. For PotC, CotBP DVD I use scenes with musical passages such as the very opening scene, or the one when Capt Sparrow is sailing the dinghy up to the dock as it sinks.

Originally Posted by dilberttv

Re: Disc Reading. I've had my Denon for about 9 months, So far the Denon 4010 has played all but 2 Lions gate Blu ray titles- Pulp Fiction and Jackie Brown. Luckily I have an OPPO 83 too, it played those discs ok. One quirk is of Denon, once in a great while, it will just open the drawer and spit out the disc instead of giving no disc message and keeping drawer closed. The Denon has better audio and incrementally better video on both upscaled SD DVD and Blu ray sources, The build quality of Denon is better needless to say. Both are excellent players for the money. I'm definitely still going to keep the OPPO 83, if it craps out I'd send for service, it has some issues with responding to the remote and the fast foward function but works ok most of the time. Also the Oppo plays DVD R's burned on a computer, the Denon does'nt, it only plays the ones made on my DVD recorder machine.

Originally Posted by SoundofMind

I haven't tried PCM out of the Denon cuz I haven't figured out what button to push to do that. But the real question is, why bother? The bottom line is PQ/AQ, so would PCM/DL4 have any advantage, theoretical or more importantly discernible, over bitstreaming/DL4?

Originally Posted by bbar

Played Pulp Fiction 2 days ago and it played fine. Have not tried Jackie Brown yet.

Are you on latest firmware and I had SD card inserted

Originally Posted by Woof Woof

Two reasons:
One: some BRs are in LPCM uncompressed multichannel esp older ones.
Two: DTS Bomb

Originally Posted by greensonor

I am now experiencing the NO DISC error. My 4010 will not play any blu-ray disc I put in. Just downloaded the most current firmware. No change. Of course mine is out of warranty. I can only hope this would be a covered repair as I have been reading quite a bit about this problem. This really upsets me....

Originally Posted by sheridd2

I've found since the last UK firmware release my 4010 is performing faultlessly, reading and playing all discs, including ones it wouldn't play before.

Originally Posted by Joe64

Is there a difference in firmware versions US vs UK? I use the built in update feature and it only shows download and install times not version ID or region. How do I get the UK version in the US?

Originally Posted by Woof Woof

Or get one of those HDMI which splits HDMI audio and video into HDMI video with audio sent to optical.

Set the BDP to decode all the codecs to PCM stereo over HDMI. This will give you up to 24/192 from the HD audio soundtracks.

Then feed the optical to the DAC.

Originally Posted by miatadan


Can you explain this for me? What device splits hdmi so that audio is sent optical?

My system is Bel Canto Dac as preamp, McIntosh MC302 power amplifier and 1 pair of Martin Logan Spire speakers + Eizo computer monitor for picture

Originally Posted by SoundofMind

I've already posted on my lack of results here . I still can't figure out why DL4 does not improve BluRay (or DVD for that matter).

One thing bothers me as mentioned in another prior post:

"The AVRA100 (4311) does not have the DLink light light next to the HDMI light lit when playing a BR. It does light when playing DL3-a SACD, for ex. Does this mean I actually may not be getting DL for BR or is that normal behavior, perhaps indicative of there being only clock info being carried in the DL cable for BR? Note that I have the 3 (quite bright) blu lights on the player and am bitstreaming (the AVR shows DTS HD, for ex.). It sounds excellent but there is not the SQ difference evident that I noticed with RBCD and posted above."

Originally Posted by Joe64

I have owned a Denon DBP-4010UDCI for a year and this unit is plagued with Blu-Ray compatibility problems. I find that it WILL NOT play 1 in 5 (20%) of the disks I rent or buy. Some disks will play through the previews and ads but refuse to load the feature menu. Others will not load at all displaying the No Disc error message after going through the Loading cycle. I update firmware every time Denon releases a fix and some problems are resolved. The last firmware update seems to have cured a disk loading error that results in a No SDC Card message. I've noticed that Blu-Ray disks that are semi-transparent where you can read the label from the data side are the most problematic. Sometimes Initialize works and sometimes not. I have not tried compressed air into the optics bay. Since the unit is out of warranty all I get from Denon Tech Support is the address to ship it to a repair facility on my nickel. I would not have dropped $2K on this unit had I known of these problems.

Originally Posted by bbar

As per post 933 above I found a difference but only did one test with a dts HD-MA 96Hz blu-ray music BD...Will try again to ensure can still hear difference....

...I agree it should only have effect on PCM blu-rays or those decoded to pcm in player but felt there was a noticeable difference.

Originally Posted by SoundofMind

I've managed to figure out a few more buttons on this thing. Now I can quickly and easily switch from bitstreaming to PCMI with 3 lights glowing (DL4 ON) but I hear/see no diff regardless. This is just like the Oppos I've had (non-DL obviously), and incidently like most folks report regardless of player.



I'm not taking any stance on that. I hear a diff with 2 lights (DL3) and "DenonLink" is lit up in my AVR FPD. I'm questioning whether I'm indeed getting the actual DL4 signal/clocking, cuz it's not doing anything and with 3 lights on the player "DenonLink" does not light up in my AVR FPD.

Originally Posted by greensonor

Hi Joe,

I was pretty upset as well. I contacted Denon and fully assumed they would want me to ship my unit to them. However, they told me that it sounded like a dirty lens and to get a blu-ray lens cleaner. I opted for a can of compressed air. Opened up the drawer and blew in some air and that seemed to have fixed all of my problems. Crazy, I know but it worked for me.

Chris

Originally Posted by dilberttv

How did you get to where the lens is? On the 4010 the transport is totally encased, you cant really get direct access to it by popping the cover like on denons DVD players. I suppose you could blow air with the drawer open and hope for the best. I have'nt had any freeze or playback problems other than 2 lionsgate mentioned. The player takes a pretty long time to power up and to load discs, other than that it's a keeper.

Originally Posted by bbar

Got ya, yes DL4 is active when 3 lights are on as there is no other visual indication that DL4 is on.
Re doing anything, as per my posts, one would think it's benefit is minimal on non-PCM data as the other formats would be converted to PCM then output so one can assume there is buffering hence the original 4010 clock signal would have minimal if any benefit. If the data is PCM then it should be converted directly to analogue hence the clock should provide added value.
DL3 is PCM data and clock over the DL link whilst DL4 is audio over HDMI and clock over the DL Link so should get the same result as DL3 for PCM I would have thought.
My perception of difference may be placebo effect as will say the differences, if any, are small.

Originally Posted by SoundofMind

You are correct that very small differences are more subject to bias. With HDMI, the DL BluRay bitstream vs DL PCM vs no DL bitstream vs no DL PCM are all too close for me to call on my system. Same for DVDs. That to me says DL4 does very little over simply sending the signal from any decent player, like my Oppo, via HDMI to the Denon. But I'm hesitant to state that conclusively because of reasons besides the Denon hype and complex theory of jitter-freee transmission. One, the fact that my AVRA100 (4311) does NOT show any sign on the FPD it is receiving DL when DL4 is active and two the impressive improvements I get with DL3 music of all formats.

One clarification, AFAIK DSD via DL3 is bitstream not PCM. My AVR is showing DSD input.