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post #211 of 335
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Originally Posted by machavez00 View Post

Anyone try ordering from Best Buy?

If it wasn't wrecked. C'mon, why is the only good version $60 from Japan? Are they bringing it to the US anytime soon? I might just spend the money.
post #212 of 335
BB has two versions listed on their website, 1.78 and 2.35
post #213 of 335
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Originally Posted by machavez00 View Post

BB has two versions listed on their website, 1.78 and 2.35

the one that says 2.35 is the canadian release, which is in fact 1.78:1. Both have the same AR, and both most likely use the same transfer.
post #214 of 335
When I looked closer, both say "enhanced for 16:9.."
post #215 of 335
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Originally Posted by machavez00 View Post

When I looked closer, both say "enhanced for 16:9.."

Which was also the old DVD-way of knowing you were buying anamorphic widescreen instead of letterbox widescreen.
post #216 of 335
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Originally Posted by nick_danger View Post

If it wasn't wrecked. C'mon, why is the only good version $60 from Japan? Are they bringing it to the US anytime soon? I might just spend the money.

Really!
60 bucks.

I would like to own this title....but not @ $60.
post #217 of 335
Get the dutch release.
http://www.freerecordshop.nl/films/e...-8713045220730

It's got the proper AR of 2.35:1 and looks great (I own it myself and can confirm the Aspect Ratio)

Also, it's only 13 USD (Euro 9.99)

post #218 of 335
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Originally Posted by Kishiro View Post

Get the dutch release.
http://www.freerecordshop.nl/films/e...-8713045220730

It's got the proper AR of 2.35:1 and looks great (I own it myself and can confirm the Aspect Ratio)

Also, it's only 13 USD (Euro 9.99)


Same transfer as the Japan release?

I wonder how much shipping would be to the U.S.?
post #219 of 335
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

Same transfer as the Japan release?

I wonder how much shipping would be to the U.S.?

According to http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...2#post20617242 the Japan version is BD50, whilst the Dutch is BD25, so unlikely the same transfer unless the Dutch drops enough features to bring the size down to BD25 levels.

According to the Unofficial AV Specifications, the Japan movie is about 31.5GB with Total Bitrate of 42, whilst the Canadian movie is about 20GB and Total Bitrate of 27: that's a lot of difference in bitrate which may equate to PQ and I should imagine the Dutch is similar to the Canadian.

The extras take up less than 2GB, based on the size difference between movie and disc.
post #220 of 335
Are there any screenshots or hands-on comparisons between the Dutch and Japanese versions? I don't really care about a lower bitrate and a different encode as the difference is often negligible if they are from the same transfer.

All I want to know is: does the Dutch version use the same transfer (obviously not the same encode) as the Japanese version? I've been able to figure out that it is at least VERY similar to the Japanese version whilst being better than the UK, US, and CAN versions.

According to Bill C.:
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Originally Posted by Bill C. View Post

1. the Japanese BD. Region A (same as the US), original 2.39:1 aspect ratio, BD50, Dolby TrueHD 5.1 audio.
2. the Dutch BD. Region-free, OAR, BD25, DTS-HD/MA 5.1 audio.
3. the Canadian (Alliance) BD. Cropped to 1.78:1 aspect ratio, DTS-HD/MA 5.1 audio.
4. the UK (Momentum) BD. Region-free (I think), cropped to 1.78:1, BD25, Dolby Digital 5.1 audio.
5. the US (Echo Bridge) BD. Cropped to 1.78:1, DTS-HD/MA 2.0 audio (seriously, huh?)
post #221 of 335
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Originally Posted by IanD View Post

According to http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...2#post20617242 the Japan version is BD50, whilst the Dutch is BD25, so unlikely the same transfer unless the Dutch drops enough features to bring the size down to BD25 levels.

According to the Unofficial AV Specifications, the Japan movie is about 31.5GB with Total Bitrate of 42, whilst the Canadian movie is about 20GB and Total Bitrate of 27: that's a lot of difference in bitrate which may equate to PQ and I should imagine the Dutch is similar to the Canadian.

The extras take up less than 2GB, based on the size difference between movie and disc.

Thanx for that.

It's pretty ridiculous we can't get a PROPER region-A release of this catalog title....
post #222 of 335
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Originally Posted by nick_danger View Post

Are there any screenshots or hands-on comparisons between the Dutch and Japanese versions? I don't really care about a lower bitrate and a different encode as the difference is often negligible if they are from the same transfer.

All I want to know is: does the Dutch version use the same transfer (obviously not the same encode) as the Japanese version? I've been able to figure out that it is at least VERY similar to the Japanese version whilst being better than the UK, US, and CAN versions.

According to Bill C.:

Are there not screenshots lurking in this thread, somewhere?
AFAIK, the Dutch release had some visible edge enhancement.
post #223 of 335
see below
post #224 of 335
OK, I found this in another thread:
The Dutch release is VC-1, OAR, 25GB, DTSHDMA 5.1
Edge Enhancement seems rather bad... but they are lossy JPGs...
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...4#post18177484

The Japanese version is AVC, OAR, 50GB, DTHD 5.1

Comparing shots between the Japanese version and the Dutch version, it seems that the Japanese version is nearly perfect in comparison. Both are OAR and both have lossless audio, but the Dutch version is noticeably lesser quality due to the generic VC-1 profile smoothness and edge enhancement. The Dutch version also lacks extras. I guess I'm officially on the fence to either 1) wait for proper US release or 2) pony up the $60 for the Japanese version. Thanks for the help.
post #225 of 335
I think you should buy the Dutch disc, simply because:
1. It's a hell of a lot cheaper
2. It's the proper aspect ratio
3. It's doesn't look terrible, based on those screenshots, regardless of probable filtering. If Universal put that sort of transfer out, we'd be overjoyed.

I'm saying that as someone that actually owns the Japanese disc. Just weigh up your options, dude.
post #226 of 335
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Originally Posted by raoul_duke View Post

I think you should buy the Dutch disc, simply because:
1. It's a hell of a lot cheaper
2. It's the proper aspect ratio
3. It's doesn't look terrible, based on those screenshots, regardless of probable filtering. If Universal put that sort of transfer out, we'd be overjoyed.

I'm saying that as someone that actually owns the Japanese disc. Just weigh up your options, dude.

I appreciate it, thanks!
post #227 of 335
I hear the Japan disk is out of print
post #228 of 335
Any updates of this title getting a proper Blu-ray release here in the U.S.?

Also, for a 10 year-old movie, it sure is hard to find! It never plays on cable (at least I haven't seen it) and it's not available on Netflix streaming either. Is it trapped in some rights-issue hell or something? Anyone have the story?
post #229 of 335
It's on UK Netflix. Haven't checked in what state, mind.
post #230 of 335
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Originally Posted by tyre View Post

Any updates of this title getting a proper Blu-ray release here in the U.S.?

Also, for a 10 year-old movie, it sure is hard to find! It never plays on cable (at least I haven't seen it) and it's not available on Netflix streaming either. Is it trapped in some rights-issue hell or something? Anyone have the story?

It's a Dimension Films property (Bitch end of Miramax that handles action/horror/sci-fi/comedy movies) and they don't get treated well except when it's high-profile.
post #231 of 335
It played on Cinemax HD recently and it looked good, it wasn't in the correct aspect ratio though.
post #232 of 335
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Originally Posted by LexInVA View Post

It's a Dimension Films property (Bitch end of Miramax that handles action/horror/sci-fi/comedy movies) and they don't get treated well except when it's high-profile.


Anything involving Christian Bale is high-profile. Maybe not in 2002, but in 2012 yes. And the studio must be aware of the cult status of the film otherwise they should hire someone who has a clue. Besides it's simply a good movie. I don't understand why it's too much to ask to have a proper OAR release and a decent transfer.
post #233 of 335
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Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post

I don't understand why it's too much to ask to have a proper OAR release and a decent transfer.

I'll give you 5,359,645 worldwide reasons why not:
http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=equilibrium.htm

It's one of Bale's worst performing films of all time whether you factor domestic, worldwide, or if you adjust for inflation. I'm not trying to get down on the $20 million budget film - I really enjoy it and would pay normal prices for a quality release - but it was a box office turd. I'm not sure if it did well in DVD sales, however. Perhaps those sales are even worse, resulting in the lack of high-profile BD release.
post #234 of 335
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Originally Posted by C*Tedesco View Post

It played on Cinemax HD recently and it looked good, it wasn't in the correct aspect ratio though.


That's good to hear, at least. I don't subscribe to any of the premium cable channels so I don't know if they have exclusives or not. I'm just used to TNT, USA, FX, etc broadcasting catalog movies to death (e.g. The Matrix). You think a sci-fi action movie starring Christian Bale would get a little rotation on these channels! Hell, if the SyFy channel aired it it would be better then 99% of the stuff they show now.

Anyways, regarding a potential Blu-ray re-release, I dug up some more info here:

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/6458...naissance.html

It appears to be a 2-pack, which doesn't bode well.
post #235 of 335
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Originally Posted by tyre View Post

Anyways, regarding a potential Blu-ray re-release, I dug up some more info here:

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/6458...naissance.html

It appears to be a 2-pack, which doesn't bode well.

It's already available up here from Alliance. Same specs as teh previous release. I guess Echo Bridge will follow the same route...
post #236 of 335
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Originally Posted by nick_danger View Post

I'll give you 5,359,645 worldwide reasons why not:
http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=equilibrium.htm

It's one of Bale's worst performing films of all time whether you factor domestic, worldwide, or if you adjust for inflation. I'm not trying to get down on the $20 million budget film - I really enjoy it and would pay normal prices for a quality release - but it was a box office turd.

I know...(and fwiw it was released in 301 theaters only! bad marketing? I guess so...why not a wider release?)

Still, it has now reached its cult status, and I'm not expecting 8K transfer here, just the OAR will do for now, just like the *cough* dvd!
post #237 of 335
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Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post

Still, it has now reached its cult status, and I'm not expecting 8K transfer here, just the OAR will do for now, just like the *cough* dvd!

OAR and lossless and decent PQ and I'll buy.

As much as this movie is admired (almost 250 posts in this thread alone) on the "internets," you would think we would have gotten a release date by now....
post #238 of 335
I'm shocked that Miramax didn't DTV sequel the hell out of it.

They did it with far, far worse movies.
post #239 of 335
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Originally Posted by raoul_duke View Post

I'm shocked that Miramax didn't DTV sequel the hell out of it.

They did it with far, far worse movies.

Good point.
post #240 of 335
Hey, Morpheo, is that Equilibrium/Renaissance release two discs or one? If it's one, I fully expect Echo Bridge to screw it up even more than they did the previous release when it gets released down here...if that's even possible.
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