Originally Posted by fleaman
There were some (you?) that seemed to post that the HC3800 shutdowns from switching sources wasn't necessarily a defect, that other PJ brands shutdown too. Some of the posters here even wrote like it was their 'fault' it shutdown 'cos they did too many source switching.
Without rehashing the debate, my main debate topic was that most will probably get a good unit and the problem is not as common as people were thinking. I'm not trying to prove anyone was right or wrong, I'm simply trying to establish for the fence sitters not to be so worried about an issue that can easily be taken care of (by RMA, vendor exchange, etc..).
IMHO the hc3800 has no competition in its price range and with the newer units it also appears to be at the top of the QC , we'd have to compare the QC of the other PJ's that we should assume to be competing (AE4000u, 8500ub, Sanyo z3000, Benq w6000, LG cf181d). I don't even consider the Optomas, Viviteks, or the other sub $1,500 projectors to be competetive on image quality with the hc3800, so we can throw those out. It also seems the 8500ub does not have that much 3D pop, so in all honesty I think most are going to prefer the hc3800's 3Dish image even over the $2,300 Epson (and certainly over the Epson 8100). I cannot comment on the LG cf181D as it is harder to discern, but based on Art's review, it doesn't seem to have that much ANSI contrast, but just a lot of brightness. We also know that the BENQ would be the most similar looking to the hc3800 except a bit more contrast and sharpness, if you are willing to risk the worse RBE, worse QC, and lesser warranty for double the price (no thanks), then the Benq w6000 might be the perfect choice (not for me).
Since I am seeing a consensus on the Panny 4000 having some of the most 3Dish POP of all the LCD's under 3K, then I am fairly convinced on the Panny (to me 3D pop and shadow detail are more important than some pitch black muddy looking scene that the 8500ub is capable of). Not to mention the Panny 4000 has more features than the others (motorized ZOOM and auto 2.35:1 adjusting here I come!). If I could find a DLP without RBE (sharp XZ-15000?) and the Panny turns out to not be what I want, then maybe I'll go back to DLP, but let's hope not...
I will probably soon own a Panny, so we shall see how this goes...
I've read the other threads, and I can tell you that the hc3800 has fewer issues overall as long as you get a unit without shutdowns (and most people should according to the poll).
There are so many returns on the 8500ub, and the reason the Panny users tend not to NOT know what the problem is because there are so many different issues on them that people are not focused on one ISSUE (hence some had convergence, some shutdowns, some color problems, some Iris breaking, some lamps, some focus breaking, etc..)... That said, the Panny still has FAR fewer issues than it appears that the Epson 8500ub has, I never saw several people having to return 4-5 units in a row on the Panny thread like I did in the Epson thread. The Epson 8500ub on the other hand had the RED-LINE issue, but more importantly has severe QC with convergence and CA on certain units.