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It looks like I will have to get creative in order to use my HiPower screen - being retro-reflective and this unit having a higher offest than my Optoma H31, I will have my hand full getting the new Mits to work with my screen. ;-/.
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What are the advantages/disadvantages between the Mits HC5500 & the new Mits HC3800?
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Originally Posted by JayMan007 View Post

What are the advantages/disadvantages between the Mits HC5500 & the new Mits HC3800?

LCD vs. DLP.
post #334 of 6366
3800 is better as far as being maintenance free. I'm sure the 5500 would trounce it's black levels though.
post #335 of 6366
Even with the tilt work around... 5 inch raise isn't going to do much with an 8ft ceiling. The projector calculator would only raise it slightly above the floor and who wants that?

It seems like a big risk dropping over a grand on something hoping that it works.. any reputable places offer free returns?
post #336 of 6366
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Originally Posted by gaffo View Post

It looks like I will have to get creative in order to use my HiPower screen - being retro-reflective and this unit having a higher offest than my Optoma H31, I will have my hand full getting the new Mits to work with my screen. ;-/.

I have an H31 too

Thing is, the HC3800 is gonna be a light cannon compared to the H31, so unless your screen is huge, it might be too bright. Also, I don't think the offset of the HC3800 is much different from the H31....maybe a little more offset, but not much. The H31 is something like a 30% offset, right?

If I go HC3800, I'm gonna have to get a high contrast grey screen, around 0.9 gain since it's only gonna be about 70" wide. Might even have to ND2 filter it on top of that....not sure. Right now I'm running a 1.0 matte white 60" wide with the H31.
post #337 of 6366
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Originally Posted by Jim McC View Post

LCD vs. DLP.

Any benefits of one over the other?

-I'm new to the projector quest.
post #338 of 6366
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Originally Posted by JayMan007 View Post

Any benefits of one over the other?

-I'm new to the projector quest.

Not really the best guide I suppose, but the only one I know of>

http://www.projectorcentral.com/lcd_dlp_comparison.htm

There is also LCOS, which Sony and JVC use.
post #339 of 6366
I thought it would be fun to show the same screenshot comparing the HC3800 vs many other projectors, using Art @ projector reviews 5th element spaceship scene.

Some things I noticed when comparing all of these different PJ screenshots>

> They range from blurry to sharp. Either camera was shaking (does he use a remote trigger?), or the image isn't the same EXACT frame.

> PJ's calibrated differently--or, the Camera is capturing different exposures. If you look at the round white microwave dish like antenna on the front of the ship (near the front middle, below center), you can see details on the round dish on the HC3800 shot, while on every other PJ shot it is overexposed/blown out (except the IN83 and Vivitek LED PJ).

All of these were from Art's 'comparative' contrast shots...so they were not the intentionally overexposed ship shots.

I'm leaning that this shot is the exact frame, and the differences between blurry to sharp, and blown out whites to detailed whites, is either a PJ calibration problem, camera capture, and/or camera shake.

I at first was going to post all the shots in 1 post, but found it would be hard to compare the HC3800 directly with a shot 4 pics down. So I broke the shots into separate posts, with the HC3800 always being the top pic.

With that, enjoy!

HC3800>

Sony HW15>
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HC3800>

Optoma HD8200>
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HC3800>

Benq W6000>
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HC3800>

Vivitek H9080FD LED projector $14k>
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HC3800>

JVC RS20>
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HC3800>

Infocus IN83>
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HC3800>

Epson 6500UB>
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Bottom line> Brightness and exposure levels seem to vary a bit, so take these shots with the intent of 'fun', not as a tool for actual black level/contrast performance.
post #347 of 6366
Cool, by those shots alone we should all buy the IN83 .


Jason
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HC3800>

Optoma HD20>
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HC3800>

Sammy A600>
post #350 of 6366
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Originally Posted by DaGamePimp View Post

Cool, by those shots alone we should all buy the IN83 .


Jason

No Kidding!

Too bad Art can't equalize his shots more, especially with the camera shake/focus.

If anything, this just proves again that screenshots are more for fun than anything else.
post #351 of 6366
fleaman -- Yup. BTW, all of those screen shots were all slightly over exposed, in order to demonstrate the relative black levels (if you read Art's "fine print").

As Art states, all of his screen shots are intended to support his text, and (due to a ton of variables) should not be used for PJ comparisons. They sure are fun though.

BTW, all of those scenes are from the Blu-Ray movie "The 5th Element" (one of his favorites due to a wide range of interesting image types & he likes Science Fiction movies).
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Originally Posted by CT_Wiebe View Post

fleaman -- Yup. BTW, all of those screen shots were all slightly over exposed, in order to demonstrate the relative black levels (if you read Art's "fine print").

Yet in many of his reviews he posts even further overexposed shots of the ship, those shots I didn't post.

Also, even if they were slightly overexposed, they certainly weren't overexposed by the same amount, as the blown out whites in most of the shots (but not all), show.

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Originally Posted by CT_Wiebe View Post

BTW, all of those scenes are from the Blu-Ray movie "The 5th Element" (one of his favorites).

I was wondering when he switched from dvd to blu ray on those shots? Obviously he was using the DVD version up to some point....
post #353 of 6366
fleaman -- He switched to BDs over a year, or so, ago. All of his reviews since last fall (at least, if not longer) were BD discs except for his "Lord of the Rings" images, which are from a SD-DVD. He completely switched over last year.

Yes, those images had the least overexposure.
post #354 of 6366
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Originally Posted by fleaman View Post

I have an H31 too

Thing is, the HC3800 is gonna be a light cannon compared to the H31, so unless your screen is huge, it might be too bright. Also, I don't think the offset of the HC3800 is much different from the H31....maybe a little more offset, but not much. The H31 is something like a 30% offset, right?

If I go HC3800, I'm gonna have to get a high contrast grey screen, around 0.9 gain since it's only gonna be about 70" wide. Might even have to ND2 filter it on top of that....not sure. Right now I'm running a 1.0 matte white 60" wide with the H31.

I have 120" Hipower and use the H31 in highlamp mode (only have around 500 hrs on it at 4.5 yrs old now): which I think is about equal to the new Mits in low lamp mode.

I also have my H31 flipped and tilted around 10-degrees. This makes for a slight keystone, but not enough to worry about.

If the Mits is close to the same as the H31 I doubt I'll have problems, if not then I'll have to think of something. I don't see how such a thing could be a show stopper, but I sure do see alot of posts in general stating such. To me it just means I'll have to unflip it and mount it at 2-3 ft from floor instead of at the 6-7 ft up and inverted like the current H31.

the only thing that worries me it the Hipower factor - it is retro-reflective and really only shines when set-up that way. It really does look like **** when you set it up as a normal reflective glass-bead type screen.

Hipower is a totally different animal than Glass bead - though both give the same look with optomized.

IMO Hipower is the only way to go - for ANY projector. simply phenominal screen.
post #355 of 6366
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Originally Posted by gaffo View Post


IMO Hipower is the only way to go - for ANY projector. simply phenominal screen.

Yes it is a Great Screen.........

But as you mention ONLY if you can set up your room/projector/seating to take advantage of its capabilities.
post #356 of 6366
Yes, and that's why I have cancelled my preorder for the 3800. I plan to go up to an 133" highpower and the news of an even larger offset makes that just impractical for me and my low ceiling...
post #357 of 6366
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Originally Posted by Robert Clark View Post

Yes, and that's why I have cancelled my preorder for the 3800. I plan to go up to an 133" highpower and the news of an even larger offset makes that just impractical for me and my low ceiling...


you guys are making me worry, doubt ;-/.

.................I await some reviews......................

hurry up already Mits.
post #358 of 6366
that Infocus IN83 makes all the other shots look so lame in comparison. crystal clear and pops out at ya.
post #359 of 6366
With my low 7' basement I'd like to do a floor mount...

Could I mount the HC3800 under my first row of chairs? sort of building a first row riser?
post #360 of 6366
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Originally Posted by dabagboy View Post

With my low 7' basement I'd like to do a floor mount...

Could I mount the HC3800 under my first row of chairs? sort of building a first row riser?

I'm not sure what you mean, but wherever you put it, it needs to have enough ventilation.
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