or Connect
AVS › AVS Forum › Display Devices › Digital Projectors - Under $3,000 USD MSRP › *Unofficial* Mitsubishi HC3800 Thread
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

*Unofficial* Mitsubishi HC3800 Thread - Page 15

post #421 of 6366
Quote:
Originally Posted by nirvy111 View Post

In the comparison summary on projectorreviews.com the Mits hc3800 rates highly against it's competitors like the Epson tw8100. They say it has better black levels and contrast overall and is sharper with more accuarate colors and alot brighter. Considering it's cheaper than the Epson it seems to me like a fine projector for the money, even it's measurements are a bit lack luster.

I've pre-ordered it today. Reading cine4home.de they seem to like it quite much even if the measured specs did not go through the roof.

In my country it is appreciably cheaper than the obvious competitors and better alternatives:

80% the price of Epson 8100/TW3500
54% the price of Benq W6000
47% the price of sony hw15
45% the price of Panasonic PT-AE4000

It should hopefully be quite a step up from my Optoma HD70...
post #422 of 6366
Quote:
Originally Posted by tannat View Post

I've pre-ordered it today...

When do you expect to get it?

Please post your impressions of it after you receive it.
post #423 of 6366
Wow some of you are giving up based on numbers from a pre production review? Art gave it a great review and an AVS member whet to CEDIA and had the following to say:

Quote:


Mitsubishi HC3800 DLP (single chip): Exceptional value. I was really amazed at what $1,500.00 will get you these days. Very sharp and detailed. Very good contrast, not the best, but not once did I look at the picture by itself and think I was being cheated. I really think Mitsubishi hit a home run with this projector. Well done. Well done.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1178519

Don't you think it would be prudent to wait for a production version to be released before throwing in the towel. Unless you can't wait of course.
post #424 of 6366
Quote:
Originally Posted by dcottle View Post

When do you expect to get it?

Please post your impressions of it after you receive it.

November is the only word from the supplier.
Will post impressions but it wouldn't surprise me if it arrives earlier in the states.
post #425 of 6366
Quote:
Originally Posted by Legairre View Post

Don't you think it would be prudent to wait for a production version to be released before throwing in the towel. Unless you can't wait of course.

Yes. I and others (Jason, etc.) have said so (that we will wait).

Doesn't change my disappointment that the HC3800 has worse contrast than the HC3100 it replaces (Non-USA), or the same contrast as the HC3000 it replaces in the US, from 4 years ago....

Again, I'll wait for the production version, but aside from adding a manual iris (pretty much impossible at this point), I don't know how they are going to improve those contrast numbers.

I currently have an Optoma H31, which gets about that contrast and of which I've owned for about 5 years now. I'm more interested in a contrast upgrade (noticeable) than just resolution. I think after 5 years I should be able to get that with DLP, w/o DI. But I guess not. Looks like the only way to do so is to look at older 720p models. Being I have blu ray, this bums me out.
post #426 of 6366
Quote:
Originally Posted by fleaman View Post

Yes. I and others (Jason, etc.) have said so (that we will wait).

Doesn't change my disappointment that the HC3800 has worse contrast than the HC3100 it replaces (Non-USA), or the same contrast as the HC3000 it replaces in the US, from 4 years ago....

Again, I'll wait for the production version, but aside from adding a manual iris (pretty much impossible at this point), I don't know how they are going to improve those contrast numbers.

I currently have an Optoma H31, which gets about that contrast and of which I've owned for about 5 years now. I'm more interested in a contrast upgrade (noticeable) than just resolution. I think after 5 years I should be able to get that with DLP, w/o DI. But I guess not. Looks like the only way to do so is to look at older 720p models. Being I have blu ray, this bums me out.

I'm in the same boat. I own a calibrated Japanese HC3100. And on my High Power screen, contrast leaves something to be desired. But I'm really a sharpness/resolution freak. So taking the leap from 720p to 1080p with the HC3800, and getting one of the sharpest projectors around to boot would be a win win in my book. But I REALLY hope the contrast isn't going to be WORSE than the HC3100. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for equal or better contrast
post #427 of 6366
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlexBPM View Post

I'm in the same boat. I own a calibrated Japanese HC3100. And on my High Power screen, contrast leaves something to be desired. But I'm really a sharpness/resolution freak. So taking the leap from 720p to 1080p with the HC3800, and getting one of the sharpest projectors around to boot would be a win win in my book. But I REALLY hope the contrast isn't going to be WORSE than the HC3100. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for equal or better contrast

Well, if you do get the HC3800 please post your comparison opinions here!

Thanks!
post #428 of 6366
Has the Panasonic AE4000 been reviewed/compared to the Mitusubishi HC3800 anywhere?
post #429 of 6366
Quote:
Originally Posted by dabagboy View Post

Has the Panasonic AE4000 been reviewed/compared to the Mitusubishi HC3800 anywhere?

The Pany AE4000 has been reviewed by projectorcentral.com but it is not compared to the mits 3800. They are not in the same league performance wise, even thou the Pany is about $500 more expensive. Pany has way more contrast (on/off, not ansi), better black level and a lot more features. A real bang for the buck!! and its gonna sell a lot. The panasonics are always best sellers...Actually, I hope Mits lowers the selling price of the 3800 to make it more attractive to those considering paying extra for the panny.
post #430 of 6366
In Europe new Panny is almost twice more expensive than HC-3800!!!

I think US price for AE4000 (2k$) is a real bargain...
post #431 of 6366
Let's not forget that due to Panny's smoothscreen the picture isn't as sharp and detailed. Now that's a bargain for an extra $500. My point is that depending on what you're looking for either projector can be a bargain or a waste of extra $.
post #432 of 6366
Quote:
Originally Posted by eliwankenobi View Post

The Pany AE4000 has been reviewed by projectorcentral.com but it is not compared to the mits 3800. They are not in the same league performance wise, even thou the Pany is about $500 more expensive. Pany has way more contrast (on/off, not ansi), better black level and a lot more features..

What's the native on/off contrast of the Panny?

That 'way more contrast' than the Mits is due to the DI. Any PJ (just about) can achieve super high on/off contrast specs with a very aggressive (but unwatchable IMO) DI.
post #433 of 6366
If I recall correctly darinP measured his ae3000 at around 2500:1 native. I don't know how much of an improvement the ae4000 offers in contrast over the previous model though.
post #434 of 6366
Quote:
Originally Posted by fleaman View Post

What's the native on/off contrast of the Panny?

That 'way more contrast' than the Mits is due to the DI. Any PJ (just about) can achieve super high on/off contrast specs with a very aggressive (but unwatchable IMO) DI.

This is very true, no argument against that.

Panny's native contrast might be same as last year. They changed some properties of the lamp. I also know that the new 8500ub achieves its higher contrast by using a double iris. Maybe the panny uses the same mechanism. If so, the image with the iris off would have comparable contrast, unless they made improvements to the polarizing plate in the light path as well.

anyways, for me the extra $500 is more that I could afford right now. I still hope that Mits lowers the price of the 3800 to make it more attractive against the panny 4000
post #435 of 6366
I know I sound like a broken record, but Mitsubishi could have made a much more competitive projector by just adding a manual iris as they already had in the HC3100, etc....
post #436 of 6366
Quote:
Originally Posted by fleaman View Post

I know I sound like a broken record, but Mitsubishi could have made a much more competitive projector by just adding a manual iris as they already had in the HC3100, etc....

Yes, you do sound like a broken record.
post #437 of 6366
Another "broken record" complaint is the large negative offset. That just kills all low cost DLPs for my use. The back of my couch and viewer's heads are not very transparent .

Art said, in one of his "blogs", that the HC3800 is the intended replacement for the HC5500. My response is "no way" .
post #438 of 6366
Seems as though a PRE PRODUCTION unit did not hit the numbers some of you were expecting. I will wait until some of you guys gets your hands on a PRODUCTION model before making my decision. I am willing to bet a production model is gonna hit much better contrast numbers. At least as good as previous IE older models.
post #439 of 6366
Quote:
Originally Posted by CT_Wiebe View Post

Another "broken record" complaint is the large negative offset. That just kills all low cost DLPs for my use. The back of my couch and viewer's heads are not very transparent .

Art said, in one of his "blogs", that the HC3800 is the intended replacement for the HC5500. My response is "no way" .

Maybe he meant to say "replace the HD1000U/HC1500" ???
post #440 of 6366
Quote:
Originally Posted by CT_Wiebe View Post

Another "broken record" complaint is the large negative offset. That just kills all low cost DLPs for my use. The back of my couch and viewer's heads are not very transparent .

Art said, in one of his "blogs", that the HC3800 is the intended replacement for the HC5500. My response is "no way" .

I would much rather use a DLP and keystone instead of an LCD. The keystone issue is so overblown it's ridiculous. Let your eyes be the judge.
post #441 of 6366
Quote:
Originally Posted by clskinsfan View Post

I am willing to bet a production model is gonna hit much better contrast numbers. At least as good as previous IE older models.

Can you explain how that could be possible? Seriously, I'm not trying to discredit you, but if there is some technical reasoning behind your statement, I'd really like to know.

Reason I don't think contrast #'s will improve is due to the design of the unit. There is no dynamic contrast to adjust/reprogram, no manual iris to adjust, they probably won't change the lens, nor the chip. Maybe they might change the lamp to a lower output, which shouldn't really change contrast (but might change black levels). Point is, what could they possibly do to noticeably improve on the contrast numbers?
post #442 of 6366
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim McC View Post

I would much rather use a DLP and keystone instead of an LCD. The keystone issue is so overblown it's ridiculous. Let your eyes be the judge.

Yet, folks still keep talking about SDE on 1080p LCDs where it truly is non-existant and has no merit...

In a truly dedicated movie watching environment, I also tend to have a preference for DLP. However, for a mixed media environment, I'll take LCD anyday over DLP and twice on Sundays . Truthfully, the differences have gotten close enough between the competing current technologies, it really needs to be evaluated on an individual pj basis, and as you indicated, let your eyes be the judge.
post #443 of 6366
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Rider View Post

Yet, folks still keep talking about SDE on 1080p LCDs where it truly is non-existant and has no merit...

I don't see where Jim McC mentioned SDE at all....
post #444 of 6366
Upgrading from an IN72 to a 3800, but am seriusly looking at the 4000 because of placement flexibility. What will I miss the most about DLP vs LCD between the 72 and the 4000?
post #445 of 6366
Quote:
Originally Posted by fleaman View Post

I don't see where Jim McC mentioned SDE at all....

No, I did not mention SDE.
post #446 of 6366
What can I expect if I was to go from my Panasonic AX-200 to the HC3800?

Besides the obvious (higher resolution, sharper and higher ansi contrast), will there be an improvement in contrast and/or black level?
post #447 of 6366
Guys, please do not turn the thread into another LCD vs DLP debate .

Thank You,
Jason
post #448 of 6366
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaGamePimp View Post

Guys, please do not turn the thread into another LCD vs DLP debate .

Thank You,
Jason

Not my intention, just a question of the improvements I would see from the 72 to the 4000 or the 3800. I believe both of course will be superior machines as they should be. I paid a paultry $450.00 for my IN72 and could not be happier with the bang for buck I have gotten. But as much as I have enjoyed it my blu-ray collection is growing and the 72 just doesnt shine as much as I think a 1080P unit would.

I have a DLP projector and a Samsung LCD tv, so I am a fan of both, if you told me the 4000 would look as good as my sammy but with better blacks I'm sold, but also if the 3800 looks as good as my DLP but with better blacks and higher res I would go that route.

It is a matter of one unit vs. the other in overall pic quality, not the tech behind them.
post #449 of 6366
Damn, as I prepare to re-mount my HC1500 on the ceiling of my new house, I have to stumble upon this info. Heh.

So now I desire 1080p and this could be the ticket at some point in the near-ish future... but I'm concerned about the off-center lens compared to the HC1500. How much of a problem will this cause if I try to use the same mount? Does anyone have experience with creative solutions to allow horizontal mounting flexibility without drilling another set of holes into my ceiling?

I have a Peerless Precision Gear Projector Mount (PRG-UNV) if it matters. 8' ceiling, 16' long room, target is a 92" screen.
post #450 of 6366
I think the solution is simple: take some board (wooden, steel, whatever) and drill (in it) holes both for ceiling mount and for HC-3800.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
AVS › AVS Forum › Display Devices › Digital Projectors - Under $3,000 USD MSRP › *Unofficial* Mitsubishi HC3800 Thread