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post #6181 of 6366
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Originally Posted by Legairre View Post

Mine shipped with firmware 4.0 and I don't think I've ever seen an i or p after the resolution. I wonder if earlier versions of the firmware had the i or p displayed. Anyone else get an i or p displayed after the resolution on their 3800?

I mentioned this to the Mits Tech yesterday and he said that because they changed some kind of board in my HC 3800 to upgrade it to 6.0 that it eliminated the ability to display the "i" as it did with version 3.0. Thanks a million Leggaire for the help and explanations you are giving me, it has been a tremendous help and learning experience to say the least.
Edited by golffnutt - 7/10/12 at 1:38pm
post #6182 of 6366
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

Which device is the best at upscaling depends on the details of the video processor implementation in each of the devices. Unfortunately, I don't know those details, except that the Mits projector's scaler isn't the best choice because of the problems which you've had with it.
Usually, however, BD players provide the most control over the manipulations that can be done to improve upscaled DVD video. FWIW, among current generation players, the Sony BDP-S790 seems to be getting high praises for its upscaling features when compared to most of the competition.
You could try comparing their visible quality yourself:
Test 1: Configure your disc player to upscale DVD video to 1089p. Disable any image manipulation features. Set the receiver's video processor to "through" or the equivalent so that it does no video processing at all, and just passes through the video signal unchanged from the player to the projector.
Test 2: Set the receiver's video processor to upscale to 1080p and configure your disc player NOT to upscale DVD video.
Compare the images that you get from one (or more) of your favorite movies and/or test patterns from one of the BD calibration discs which are readily available.
Don't bother doing this test with your satellite receiver. There's no way to control the quality of its signal. Some channels will be great. Others won't. And which is which will vary depending on the weather and who tweaked what at the originating end.

I follow you compleately Selden Ball on how to do the test for playing BD's and DVD's. I also see what you mean about satellite, but what should I set my AVR, STB, and projector to. My guess would be to let the AVR do the processing and set the scaler off in the STB. How do you turn off the scaler off in the 3800 so that the AVR will do the scaling and not the 3800? Thanks again for this great info.
post #6183 of 6366
You can't turn off the scaler in the 3800: it has to be ready to match whatever signal it gets to the DMD module's two million (1920x1080) tiny mirrors. If your AVR provides a 1920x1080 signal (aka 1080p) then the scaler in the projector doesn't do anything, though.
post #6184 of 6366
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Originally Posted by golffnutt View Post

I mentioned this to the Mits Tech yesterday and he said that because they changed some kind of board in my HC 3800 to upgrade it to 6.0 that it eliminated the ability to display the "i" as it did with version 3.0. Thanks a million Leggaire for the help and explanations you are giving me, it has been a tremendous help and learning experience to say the least.
Ah OK thanks so they did remove the i and p. Thanks I started thinking that maybe I was the only one that didn't get the i or p.
Edited by Legairre - 7/10/12 at 3:18pm
post #6185 of 6366
Yes Selden Ball my AVR does have 1080p setting but do I want the AVR to scale or the 3800? I guess I would have to do an A/B test by setting AVR to "through", this would let the projector scale (right?) and view TV. Next I would then set AVR to "1080p" and view TV, thus using the scaler in the AVR right? Then I would just chose the one that looks best. How do I take the STB/DVR out of this test so that it does not do any of the scaling while testing the AVR and Projector scalers?

Once the two above tests are complete I could then test the scaler in the DVR by setting the AVR to "through" thus allowing the DVR to do the scaling, right?
Edited by golffnutt - 7/10/12 at 2:24pm
post #6186 of 6366
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Originally Posted by Legairre View Post

Ah OK thanks so they did remove the i and p. Thanks I started thinking that maybe I was the only one that did get the i or p.

You're welcome. Mitsubishi in all of their infinite wisdom has confused many of us I think, however they do have a good product and bang for the buck. Have a nice evening.
post #6187 of 6366
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Originally Posted by golffnutt View Post

You're welcome. Mitsubishi in all of their infinite wisdom has confused many of us I think, however they do have a good product and bang for the buck. Have a nice evening.

Guess what, the "i" is back, don't know how or why, it just showed up last night? Crazy. Just thought you might like to know. This is with my AVR set to "through".
post #6188 of 6366
I think on the Onkyos through means an untouched pure signal. Did the handshake issue also get better when set to through?
post #6189 of 6366
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Originally Posted by Legairre View Post

I think on the Onkyos through means an untouched pure signal. Did the handshake issue also get better when set to through?

Hi Legairre and thanks for chiming in. I think you are right on the "through" setting. It also has, Auto, Source, 1080P. I put it on "through" hoping the video would be untouched so that either the DVR or 3800 would do the scaling as I think they probably have better scalers than the Onkyo scaler?

Handshake issue still there, don't know what to do about that other than live with it I guess.
post #6190 of 6366
Golffnutt,

I've been thinking about the glitch you see when changing channels, and believe it's unavoidable.

The various TV channels are not synchronized with one another. They all start a new frame at different times. When you switch from one channel to another, if the channel you are leaving was just starting to draw a frame, the channel you're switching to might be almost finished with its most recent frame. When it receives the new video signal with a different timing, the projector has to resynchronize its video output with the input signal, which includes changing the rotation speed of the color wheel until it's synchronized with the input signal again.

I don't see a similar problem with my projector because I don't use the projector to watch TV. However, I do see something similar with my HD TV: It goes black for about a second whenever I change cable channels.
post #6191 of 6366
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

Golffnutt,
I've been thinking about the glitch you see when changing channels, and believe it's unavoidable.
The various TV channels are not synchronized with one another. They all start a new frame at different times. When you switch from one channel to another, if the channel you are leaving was just starting to draw a frame, the channel you're switching to might be almost finished with its most recent frame. When it receives the new video signal with a different timing, the projector has to resynchronize its video output with the input signal, which includes changing the rotation speed of the color wheel until it's synchronized with the input signal again.
I don't see a similar problem with my projector because I don't use the projector to watch TV. However, I do see something similar with my HD TV: It goes black for about a second whenever I change cable channels.

I think you are right. However right now, this morning, it is working flawlessly. It just goes and comes. It's kind of like this old body of mine, sometimes it works, sometimes (most times) it don't, LOL. smile.gif
post #6192 of 6366
It's a really odd problem you're having. I use my 3800 for HD and regular TV all the time and have never had any problems. Mine works just like any other TV does. Hey if it's gone for now then it's happy time.
post #6193 of 6366
Hi - trying to watch "The Pacific" on blu-ray and getting tons of the white screen flash reset constantly during battle scenes and other parts. Just a few battle scenes mind you in "The Pacific" so its pretty annoying. I must have to reset the cable length again.

I am looking for the secret sauce menu to reset the cable length - but - when I get there - it won't let me change it. Perhaps I am getting in the wrong way.

Menu button - Feature - select Language on Feature menu - and while in Language - select on remote ...
- Auto Position - Enter - Auto Position -
Then I see
Function - select Enter
I can then see the menu that has Digital Cable set to 10-20M - but its greyed-out and so I can't change it. Granted - seems like 20M would be plenty as I think my cable is 30 ft. Doing the same white flash reset on the component more than usual now too.

I see others said - Settings Language - but mine Language is in Feature - Language. And my hidden menu is Function menu vs. Service Menu.

Need some help. I keep spooling thru the thread in the interim.


I see this mentioned serveral times - but - "digital cable" is greyed out for me now for some reason - odd.

To change the cable length go to LANGUAGE under the FEATURE menu. Then put the cursor on Language, but don't press it. While the cursor is on Language press "Auto Position", "Enter", "Auto Position" on the remote.

Be very careful not to change anything except the cable length.

Edited by myHTheaven - 8/19/12 at 10:02am
post #6194 of 6366
If you haven't already, you might try unplugging the projector's power cord for a few minutes. This kind of a "soft reset" sometimes will re-enable settings which have gotten "stuck". Make sure the device that's connected to the projector is shut down before you do this. HDMI circuitry tends to be delicate.
post #6195 of 6366
Hi Legairre,

Still going fine so far, got my fingers crossed.
post #6196 of 6366
Hey glad to hear it's working. The 3800 and 4000 really are great projector with a killer picture.
post #6197 of 6366
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Originally Posted by Legairre View Post

Hey glad to hear it's working. The 3800 and 4000 really are great projector with a killer picture.

I have yet to get the max potential out of my 3800 because I am not a good calibrator and don't really understand technically what I should do to get the max? Can't afford a professional calibration right now due to medical expenses, wished like heck I could. Will just have to settle for mediocrity right now, did I spell that right? I do love the projector though.
post #6198 of 6366
You might consider getting one of the TV calibration discs. They try to lead you by the hand to use the kinds of adjustments available on all TVs and projectors to get a better picture. Disney's WOW disc is one. Avia and Digital Essentials are others. The DVD versions of those discs might be available through your local public library's interlibrary loan program.
post #6199 of 6366
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

You might consider getting one of the TV calibration discs. They try to lead you by the hand to use the kinds of adjustments available on all TVs and projectors to get a better picture. Disney's WOW disc is one. Avia and Digital Essentials are others. The DVD versions of those discs might be available through your local public library's interlibrary loan program.

Thank you very much Selden Ball for that suggestion and those titles. I do in fact have the DVE disc and the one that came with my Oppo BDP-83 (can't remember the name of the disc) but they were a bit difficult to follow for me, particularly when it came to balancing the gray scale and contrast. The Oppo disc was especially difficult for me to follow while the DVE was a little bit easier and my picture did improve but not by much. I am looking for that "WOW" factor and expression that everyone talks about having but I just haven't seen it yet although the picture on the 3800 as I said is really really good. Have a great evening and thank you again for your comments and reply to my post, I very much appreciate your time.
post #6200 of 6366
Golfnutt,

You're very welcome.

You might try special-ordering Disney WOW from your favorite vendor of shiny discs wink.gif Barnes & Noble, Best Buy, and (of course) Amazon are all usually quite willing to get your business. smile.gif I understand the problem of high medical expenses, though, having gone through it a few years ago myself. frown.gif
post #6201 of 6366
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

Golfnutt,
You're very welcome.
You might try special-ordering Disney WOW from your favorite vendor of shiny discs wink.gif Barnes & Noble, Best Buy, and (of course) Amazon are all usually quite willing to get your business. smile.gif I understand the problem of high medical expenses, though, having gone through it a few years ago myself. frown.gif

Thank you for the kind words, I will definitely give WOW a try. Wil let you know how it works for me in a couple weeks.
post #6202 of 6366
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Originally Posted by golffnutt View Post

Thank you for the kind words, I will definitely give WOW a try. Wil let you know how it works for me in a couple weeks.

What device are you using to feed the projector when you are not wowed by the picture? The reason I ask is that many devices have a setting called 'Black Level' (Maybe called something else) in their menu. Sometimes it has settings of Normal and Enhanced or 0 and 7.5 etc.

If you dont have that setting right it could give you a washed out picture with reduced contrast which calibration can't always overcome. If it has such a setting, try the other setting and do a quick readjustment of the brightness and contrast just to see how it looks.

It also exists in the projector in the Advanced Menu but I think its default is Auto so it can match various source's settings and adjust to suit.
post #6203 of 6366
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Originally Posted by btiltman View Post

What device are you using to feed the projector when you are not wowed by the picture? The reason I ask is that many devices have a setting called 'Black Level' (Maybe called something else) in their menu. Sometimes it has settings of Normal and Enhanced or 0 and 7.5 etc.
If you dont have that setting right it could give you a washed out picture with reduced contrast which calibration can't always overcome. If it has such a setting, try the other setting and do a quick readjustment of the brightness and contrast just to see how it looks.
It also exists in the projector in the Advanced Menu but I think its default is Auto so it can match various source's settings and adjust to suit.

Hey btiltman thanks so much for the advice and suggestion. I have the 3800 going into my Onkyo TX-SR 876 receiver, my video players are Oppo BDP-83, Pioneer Elite BDP-05, and for streaming only I use the Sony BDP-S570, Directv's best DVR, I forget the model number. When I say I am not wowed by the picture I mean in all cases, satellite, blu-ray, and SD. I don't remember any of these components having a setting like you mention but they may. I will recheck the manual or set up on all of them to see if they do. If so I will play around with them as you suggest to see if I can get any better picture. I will report back my findings in a few days. Thanks again for the reply and your time. You all have a wonderful day "downunder".
post #6204 of 6366
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Originally Posted by golffnutt View Post

Hey btiltman thanks so much for the advice and suggestion. I have the 3800 going into my Onkyo TX-SR 876 receiver, my video players are Oppo BDP-83, Pioneer Elite BDP-05, and for streaming only I use the Sony BDP-S570, Directv's best DVR, I forget the model number. When I say I am not wowed by the picture I mean in all cases, satellite, blu-ray, and SD. I don't remember any of these components having a setting like you mention but they may. I will recheck the manual or set up on all of them to see if they do. If so I will play around with them as you suggest to see if I can get any better picture. I will report back my findings in a few days. Thanks again for the reply and your time. You all have a wonderful day "downunder".

No problem....... I also use the BDP-83 so I will have a look at my settings next time I have my system on! But of course the electricity goes in a different direction down here ;-)
post #6205 of 6366
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Originally Posted by golffnutt View Post

Thank you for the kind words, I will definitely give WOW a try. Wil let you know how it works for me in a couple weeks.

While I haven't personally looked for it, I've heard that a calibration download is available here on the avsforum. Not sure how it rates on the "hard to understand" factor.
post #6206 of 6366
Hi!

I accidentally cracked my color wheel and I need to replace it. Does someone have instructions on how to do it? I got a new color wheel but I cannot get into the compartment where the wheel is.

Thanks

Ragnar
post #6207 of 6366
How did you do that? I want to make sure I never do!
post #6208 of 6366
Dont push the plate protecting the color wheel when youre trying to polish the glass wheel....frown.gif
post #6209 of 6366
Anyone here know what causes the checkerboard of death issue? I called Mitsubishi they had no idea what I was talking about, called projector people where I bought the projector from, he didn't know either. Is there a fix for it?
post #6210 of 6366
My HC3800 has started to develop a loud whine. Assuming it's the color wheel as it changes pitch depending on the source. What are my options?

Thanks!
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