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post #2491 of 4355
Quote:
Originally Posted by TomHuffman View Post

They recently added a new custom color command that we tried out and just didn't implement correctly. We've now fixed it and will release in a day or two.

Tom: Thanks again. I haven't updated the firmware since September 2011 so that news is a relief. Not ready to recalibrate at this point.
post #2492 of 4355
Quote:
Originally Posted by TomHuffman View Post

They recently added a new custom color command that we tried out and just didn't implement correctly. We've now fixed it and will release in a day or two.

I'm confused. Who had the problem? Lumagen didn't implement the custom color command correctly? Or, Chromapure didn't implement correctly its use of the custom color command?
post #2493 of 4355
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Originally Posted by Citation4444 View Post

I'm confused. Who had the problem? Lumagen didn't implement the custom color command correctly? Or, Chromapure didn't implement correctly its use of the custom color command?

I don't know the answer to this but Lumagen did release a new firmware update.
post #2494 of 4355
Tom,

a while back I talked to you about the ACM module and the option to ,for the saturation module to use different amplitude levels, and for the amplitude module to use different saturation levels (without having to make new base readings).

is this the plan to introduce this as a v2.x release or as a 3.x release?

Regards

Visca
post #2495 of 4355
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Originally Posted by wmwilker View Post

I don't know the answer to this but Lumagen did release a new firmware update.

Lumagen issues firmware updates on a regular basis, 13 just this year alone for my Radiance version, but I don't recall any mention of this problem. In my experience, Lumagen never leaves a problem unfixed for long. One of their many strengths, IMO.
post #2496 of 4355
Quote:
Originally Posted by Citation4444 View Post

I'm confused. Who had the problem? Lumagen didn't implement the custom color command correctly? Or, Chromapure didn't implement correctly its use of the custom color command?

We didn't.
post #2497 of 4355
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Originally Posted by visca blaugrana View Post

a while back I talked to you about the ACM module and the option to ,for the saturation module to use different amplitude levels, and for the amplitude module to use different saturation levels (without having to make new base readings).

is this the plan to introduce this as a v2.x release or as a 3.x release

You would always have to have new base readings to match the % intensity that you are measuring.

I have gotten some support questions about this, so let me clarify.

If you have 50% intensity test patterns for 75%, 50%, and 25% levels of saturation, then the base readings would have to be at 50% intensity also. However, in that case you would have to make a separate set of readings to check the amplitude scale using 100% as the base readings.
post #2498 of 4355
Quote:
Originally Posted by TomHuffman View Post

If you have 50% intensity test patterns for 75%, 50%, and 25% levels of saturation, then the base readings would have to be at 50% intensity also. However, in that case you would have to make a separate set of readings to check the amplitude scale using 100% as the base readings.

If you adjusts your targets based on your 50% reading, everything will be wrong, you'll have to recalculate everything.
post #2499 of 4355
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Originally Posted by sotti View Post

If you adjusts your targets based on your 50% reading, everything will be wrong, you'll have to recalculate everything.

No idea what you are talking about. The saturation targets don't change when the intensity changes. As long as the intensity is the same for all of the test patterns, including reference white, then relative luminance will remain unchanged, and this is what is used for dE calculation.
post #2500 of 4355
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Originally Posted by TomHuffman View Post

No idea what you are talking about. The saturation targets don't change when the intensity changes. As long as the intensity is the same for all of the test patterns, including reference white, then relative luminance will remain unchanged, and this is what is used for dE calculation.

The luminance is based off of gamma. If you change your target luminance from the 50% reading, then you've changed the gamma. Now you've got to go recalculate your target triplets to get the same x,y or modify your x,y.

Either way you've got to recalc everything.
post #2501 of 4355
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Originally Posted by sotti View Post

The luminance is based off of gamma. If you change your target luminance from the 50% reading, then you've changed the gamma. Now you've got to go recalculate your target triplets to get the same x,y or modify your x,y.

Either way you've got to recalc everything.

Let's assume a 2.22 gamma and a Rec. 709 gamut.

At 75% saturation and 100% intensity red is x0.5582, y0.3298, Y0.2126
Reference white is x0.3127, y0.3290, Y1.0

At 75% saturation and 50% intensity red is x0.5582, y0.3298, Y0.0456
Reference white for 50% intensity is x0.3127, y0.3290, Y0.2176

In the first example, red is 21.3% of the intensity of reference white and in the second example red is 21.3% intensity of reference white. Nothing has changed.

Gamma determines what the RGB triplets are for a specified chromaticity point. This is used to create a test pattern. However, once that is determined it plays no further role that I see.

I still don't know what you are talking about.
post #2502 of 4355
Maybe I misunderstood the post.

I thought you were making a luminance target correction based on the 50% reading, basically using the native gamma response of the display to update the luminance targets.

If you are reading 100% and using that for all the gamma calculations, then the 50% reading plays no role other than as reference point for error.
post #2503 of 4355
Ahh I get it. Thank you, so it's only relevant when creating the test patterns thank you
post #2504 of 4355
I have to know the CCT of the standard white light of National Physical Laboratory RGB system before the 1931 CIE RGB. As far as I know it was not the equal energy white E.
Guild and Wright calculated with different color temperature white point, not the EEW.
Does everybody know the color temperature of NPL white light?
post #2505 of 4355
Looking to run a calibration in the next couple of days I have downloaded the latest lumagen firmware am I all good to go or are we still waiting for a chromapure update to address the color command

Thanks
post #2506 of 4355
Quote:
Originally Posted by MaDBeN View Post

Looking to run a calibration in the next couple of days I have downloaded the latest lumagen firmware am I all good to go or are we still waiting for a chromapure update to address the color command

Just uploaded a new build tonight that fixes this. Since the change is so small, I kept the version at 2.2.13. Note: This update only affects the 75% of Rec. 709 gamut in Color Management when using the Lumagen as a test pattern generator.
post #2507 of 4355
ChromaPure 2.2.12 Release Notes
The 75% of Rec 709 option in the Color Management module was broken. This has been fixed.

That was broken?

Used as a module with a broken before???

How much is wrong?
post #2508 of 4355
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Originally Posted by anta1974 View Post

ChromaPure 2.2.12 Release Notes
The 75% of Rec 709 option in the Color Management module was broken. This has been fixed.

That was broken?

Used as a module with a broken before???

How much is wrong?

It wasn't functioning at all. Nothing else was affected. Not sure when it was broken or why.
post #2509 of 4355
Thank you.
post #2510 of 4355
Tom!
Why does not match the data in conversion utility (chromapure) and ΔE, LSH, and RGB Analysis (your site).
example:
Red
0.641-measure
0.3245-measure
26.3238-measure
0.64-reference
0.33-reference
29.5785-reference

Conversion utility deWeb.xls
CIELUV 30.6 6.4
CIE94 13.8 3.1
CIELAB 30.7 5.9
CIEDE2000 3.9 3.2
H -1.3% -1.3%
S 2.1% 2.1%
L -4.0% -4.9%

Why???
post #2511 of 4355
Quote:
Originally Posted by anta1974 View Post

Tom!
Why does not match the data in conversion utility (chromapure) and ΔE, LSH, and RGB Analysis (your site).
example:
Red
0.641-measure
0.3245-measure
26.3238-measure
0.64-reference
0.33-reference
29.5785-reference

Conversion utility deWeb.xls
CIELUV 30.6 6.4
CIE94 13.8 3.1
CIELAB 30.7 5.9
CIEDE2000 3.9 3.2
H -1.3% -1.3%
S 2.1% 2.1%
L -4.0% -4.9%

Why???

Please use relative luminance (not absolute luminance) for the Y value when calculating dE. Relative luminance is color luminance/white luminance. In your example above, if the white reference luminance were 120, then the relative luminance of each would be 0.2194 and 0.2465 respectively.
post #2512 of 4355
All ok!
Very thanx!
post #2513 of 4355
Quote:
Originally Posted by TomHuffman View Post

Just uploaded a new build tonight that fixes this. Since the change is so small, I kept the version at 2.2.13. Note: This update only affects the 75% of Rec. 709 gamut in Color Management when using the Lumagen as a test pattern generator.

I tried calibrating my Epson 6010 last night now that it has 100 hrs on the bulb and completed 2 color modes. However, when I tried to use the Rec 709 75% - I do NOT have Lumagen or other processor in the chain - I got an error message ("unhandled exception error") in the Color Management module. It occurs, will allow the "continue" button to proceed after the error, then go to the next color and the error re-appears on trying to measure each color. I don't know if this is related to the Lumagen quote above. I chose not to complete the session since I don't know if the multiple errors are causing problems in the readings and returned to using 100% color. Win7 64 Pro, 12 GB RAM.
post #2514 of 4355
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Originally Posted by flint350 View Post

However, when I tried to use the Rec 709 75% - I do NOT have Lumagen or other processor in the chain - I got an error message ("unhandled exception error") in the Color Management module. It occurs, will allow the "continue" button to proceed after the error, then go to the next color and the error re-appears on trying to measure each color.

You need to provide four pieces of additional information.
1. When you get the Unhandled Exception message, click on Details. What does it say?
2. What are you using for test patterns?
3. Do you have "Enable Signal Generator Support" checked in Options, Signal Generators?
4. Did you download and install the latest build that I uploaded Tuesday?

I just tested this with and without a signal generator and can not reproduce the problem.

BTW, as a general rule for everyone else, if you ever have a problem like this, please provide detailed information about any error message and what steps you followed to get it. Without this information, it is impossible to track a problem down.
post #2515 of 4355
I get this fairly often, also some lockups. I have been just doing a forced shutdown through task mgr followed by restarting the app. Next time I'll take some notes and send them to you.
post #2516 of 4355
Quote:
Originally Posted by TomHuffman View Post

You need to provide four pieces of additional information.
1. When you get the Unhandled Exception message, click on Details. What does it say?
2. What are you using for test patterns?
3. Do you have "Enable Signal Generator Support" checked in Options, Signal Generators?
4. Did you download and install the latest build that I uploaded Tuesday?

1.It's a long message, with "Object reference not set to an instance of an object" on the main window. The following is the 1st part of the error, showing the "exception text". I am not including the rest here, but will gladly send it to you if you wish (all the modules, etc).


************** Exception Text **************
System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.
at ChromaPure.Controls.Calibration.ColorManagementControl.Color RadioButton_CheckedChanged1(Object sender, EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.RadioButton.OnCheckedChanged(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.RadioButton.set_Checked(Boolean value)
at ChromaPure.Controls.Calibration.ColorManagementControl.btnMe asure_Click(Object sender, EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.OnClick(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnClick(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnMouseUp(MouseEventArgs mevent)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmMouseUp(Message& m, MouseButtons button, Int32 clicks)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ButtonBase.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Button.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.OnMessage(M essage& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.WndProc(Mes sage& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)


2. Test Patterns are from the AVS HD - I have done other cals, everything the same, except using REC 709 %100 - it only occurs at REC 709 75%

3. None of the Signal Generator Options are enabled, including Built In.

4. Yes, when I read your post on it, I updated. That was what led me to try the Rec 709 75% in the first place, to see if it had different results from my 100% tries. That's when I got the error.
post #2517 of 4355
Quote:
Originally Posted by flint350 View Post

1.It's a long message, with "Object reference not set to an instance of an object" on the main window. The following is the 1st part of the error, showing the "exception text". I am not including the rest here, but will gladly send it to you if you wish (all the modules, etc).

Send it direct via the ChromaPure Support Page
post #2518 of 4355
I cannot reproduce this, so I am guessing you have a bad install. Anyone else seeing this?

Uninstall CP
Download again.
Repair/reinstall .Net
Reinstall CP.

Quote:
Originally Posted by flint350 View Post

1.It's a long message, with "Object reference not set to an instance of an object" on the main window. The following is the 1st part of the error, showing the "exception text". I am not including the rest here, but will gladly send it to you if you wish (all the modules, etc).


************** Exception Text **************
System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.
at ChromaPure.Controls.Calibration.ColorManagementControl.Color RadioButton_CheckedChanged1(Object sender, EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.RadioButton.OnCheckedChanged(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.RadioButton.set_Checked(Boolean value)
at ChromaPure.Controls.Calibration.ColorManagementControl.btnMe asure_Click(Object sender, EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.OnClick(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnClick(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnMouseUp(MouseEventArgs mevent)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmMouseUp(Message& m, MouseButtons button, Int32 clicks)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ButtonBase.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Button.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.OnMessage(M essage& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.WndProc(Mes sage& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)


2. Test Patterns are from the AVS HD - I have done other cals, everything the same, except using REC 709 %100 - it only occurs at REC 709 75%

3. None of the Signal Generator Options are enabled, including Built In.

4. Yes, when I read your post on it, I updated. That was what led me to try the Rec 709 75% in the first place, to see if it had different results from my 100% tries. That's when I got the error.
post #2519 of 4355
Just got iScan DUO and here is my result

6.jpg

I used CIE94 dE method and Rec709 Gamut.

Any advice for this ?

Thanks
LL
LL
LL
LL
LL
post #2520 of 4355
Quote:
Originally Posted by rurika View Post

Just got iScan DUO and here is my result

6.jpg

I used CIE94 dE method and Rec709 Gamut.

Any advice for this ?

Thanks

Looks great to me
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