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post #3121 of 4343
Can you remind me Tom whether the Duo has 75% patterns?

By the way under Windows Control Panel Uninstall, Chromapure's version number is listed as 2.1.
post #3122 of 4343
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Originally Posted by TomHuffman View Post

See the Auto-Calibrate Usage Notes doc mentioned above. The need to use 100% is no longer necessary. In fact, we now require using 75% for standard autocal. For 125-point, it doesn't really matter.

Thank you Tom!!!.
post #3123 of 4343
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Originally Posted by breadvan View Post

Can you remind me Tom whether the Duo has 75% patterns?
By the way under Windows Control Panel Uninstall, Chromapure's version number is listed as 2.1.
Yes, it does.
post #3124 of 4343
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Originally Posted by TomHuffman View Post

Yes, it does.

Thanks for the 75% patterns, can now calibrate directly without need to bring my Oppo into the loop.
post #3125 of 4343
Hello. How do I go about using ChromaPure to measure my samsung d6500's mll? Do I select in the contrast module the black pattern, then click on the big black square to take a reading? My dvd is the pattern generator, I use the 0 % IRE windowed pattern from the color hcfr pattern set to measure with. Just starting out calibrating with chromapure for the first time but have calibrated my tv using an i1display lt before so do have some knowledge but always learning new things. Let my plasma warm up for at least an hour I have the i1display 3 pro i am not too sure but this doesn't need to be on the panel while it's warming up. Also I don't know if this is a bug but when I click on measure then continuous in the white balance module the 3 RGB bars appear overly big like the entire window is minimized and doesn't fit the screen properly I have to scroll down to see the percentage and then back up to see the xyY data. While I scroll down also i see a completely different module that appears momentarily in the background, like it's see through.
Edited by hungro - 10/24/12 at 11:05am
post #3126 of 4343
Sorry Tom i have installed the new version on my netbook, but the progaram in the autocalibrate (2nd page) doesn't read all, it ends to COLOR GAMUT..please can you do a version of CHROMAPURE for netbook?
post #3127 of 4343
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Originally Posted by stefanelli73 View Post

Sorry Tom i have installed the new version on my netbook, but the progaram in the autocalibrate (2nd page) doesn't read all, it ends to COLOR GAMUT..please can you do a version of CHROMAPURE for netbook?
A screen resolution of 1024x768 or higher is a system requirement for CP.
post #3128 of 4343
I will be giving 2.31 a run tonight. That new gamma specification should give a lot of sanp and not leave the low luminances too dark.
post #3129 of 4343
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Originally Posted by hungro View Post

Hello. How do I go about using ChromaPure to measure my samsung d6500's mll? Do I select in the contrast module the black pattern, then click on the big black square to take a reading? My dvd is the pattern generator, I use the 0 % IRE windowed pattern from the color hcfr pattern set to measure with. Just starting out calibrating with chromapure for the first time but have calibrated my tv using an i1display lt before so do have some knowledge but always learning new things. Let my plasma warm up for at least an hour I have the i1display 3 pro i am not too sure but this doesn't need to be on the panel while it's warming up. Also I don't know if this is a bug but when I click on measure then continuous in the white balance module the 3 RGB bars appear overly big like the entire window is minimized and doesn't fit the screen properly I have to scroll down to see the percentage and then back up to see the xyY data. While I scroll down also i see a completely different module that appears momentarily in the background, like it's see through.
You put up a black test pattern and measure it. You can use the Contrast module or the Raw Data module.

If you cannot see the entire white balance RGB chart at once, then your screen resolution is too low. The pattern takes up about 690x610 pixels.

post #3130 of 4343
Problems with 75% saturation patterns.

When selected from dropdown menu in 'Color Management' they do not appear to make a Duo selection.

Manually changing pattern causes error message but no 75% pattern.

Incidentally they are not listed within Duo Control Panel either so currently back to using AVS disc from Oppo.

This problem does not appear if the normal 100% patterns are selected.

Could it be that the 'built-in' patterns should be used?
post #3131 of 4343
We may have a bug in this latest version. 2 of us from the UK forum have now had issues with either a new install or a restart of CP. I had to add my Lumagen mini back in as a signal generator after restarting the program.
Since I've done that I get a General Fault error concerning "baud rate". Whenever I try to use autocal (or test). CP then closes down. I've tried playing with buad rate settings since but had no luck.

The other guy with the issue is installing for the first time and trying to add in the Radiance. gets the same issue
post #3132 of 4343
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Originally Posted by PE06MCG View Post

Problems with 75% saturation patterns.
When selected from dropdown menu in 'Color Management' they do not appear to make a Duo selection.
Manually changing pattern causes error message but no 75% pattern.
Incidentally they are not listed within Duo Control Panel either so currently back to using AVS disc from Oppo.
This problem does not appear if the normal 100% patterns are selected.
Could it be that the 'built-in' patterns should be used?

The Duo lacks 75% saturation patterns.

You will need to use the AVCHD disks.
post #3133 of 4343
Just to slightly correct, that I was updating my version of Chromapure Pro to the latest version (having uninstalled the one linked to a few pages back), so not a fresh install. I can use it manually, but the autocal gives me a baud rate error. I'm being sent a known working USB to serial port adaptor to try (thanks to Ricky smile.gif) as it could well be this causing the issue (though my existing adaptor can update the Lumagen firmware fine and the config utility works too, but these adaptors can be a bit quirky). I may well receive the adaptor tomorrow or Saturday so I'll post back if it works OK.
Edited by Kelvin1965S - 10/25/12 at 8:04am
post #3134 of 4343
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Originally Posted by catmother View Post

The Duo lacks 75% saturation patterns.
You will need to use the AVCHD disks.

The Duo supports 75% saturation patterns when using CalMAN.
post #3135 of 4343
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Originally Posted by sniffer66 View Post

We may have a bug in this latest version. 2 of us from the UK forum have now had issues with either a new install or a restart of CP. I had to add my Lumagen mini back in as a signal generator after restarting the program.
Since I've done that I get a General Fault error concerning "baud rate". Whenever I try to use autocal (or test). CP then closes down. I've tried playing with buad rate settings since but had no luck.
The other guy with the issue is installing for the first time and trying to add in the Radiance. gets the same issue
Please read the Auto-Calibrate Usage Notes document available on our News site.
post #3136 of 4343
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Originally Posted by Kelvin1965S View Post

Just to slightly correct, that I was updating my version of Chromapure Pro to the latest version (having uninstalled the one linked to a few pages back), so not a fresh install. I can use it manually, but the autocal gives me a baud rate error. I'm being sent a known working USB to serial port adaptor to try (thanks to Ricky smile.gif) as it could well be this causing the issue (though my existing adaptor can update the Lumagen firmware fine and the config utility works too, but these adaptors can be a bit quirky). I may well receive the adaptor tomorrow or Saturday so I'll post back if it works OK.
Please read the Auto-Calibrate Usage Notes document available on our News site.
post #3137 of 4343
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Originally Posted by TomHuffman View Post

Please read the Auto-Calibrate Usage Notes document available on our News site.

I have thanks Tom and Ricky has been trying to help me out, but it looks like an adaptor issue, which I can confirm once Ricky's working adaptor reaches me.
post #3138 of 4343
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Originally Posted by TomHuffman View Post

Please read the Auto-Calibrate Usage Notes document available on our News site.

Hmm, have read those previously and just now and dont see anything relevant. Only 1. could be related

"After running auto-cal for the first time in 2.3.1, when you exit ChromaPure you will get a "Cannot
create XML" error message. The next time you start ChromaPure you will have to setup the signal
generator again. From this point forward, everything will work normally and your settings will be saved
for future sessions."


As per my OP, I have re-added the Lumagen as a signal generator but this is where I have the issue. if I try and use it in an autocal once re-added I get the GPF with the "baud rate" error and CP crashes frown.gif I cant use the radiance with CP autocal at all. Even hiting "test" for the Radiance produces the error

And as opposed ot kelvin who has the issue with a USB/Serial cable I'm using a straight serial, which was working before I restarted CP. So its not adapter related
post #3139 of 4343
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Originally Posted by catmother View Post

The Duo lacks 75% saturation patterns.
You will need to use the AVCHD disks.

That was my usual method, obviously wrongly I assumed they were available although not displayed in the Duo (see post #3429).

Duo patterns have been at 75% stimulus in the Duo for several years.
post #3140 of 4343
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Originally Posted by TomHuffman View Post

You put up a black test pattern and measure it. You can use the Contrast module or the Raw Data module.
If you cannot see the entire white balance RGB chart at once, then your screen resolution is too low. The pattern takes up about 690x610 pixels.

I think I have it set to 1280x 768 next up is 1280x800 but that makes it only a tiny bit better. What pattern do I put up when measuring the gamut prior to using the CMS? I used 75%A/75%S from the GCD disk to adjust the cms is this the same pattern needed when I first measure with everything on the tv set to defaults. It's a samsung pn51d6500.
Edited by hungro - 10/25/12 at 2:31pm
post #3141 of 4343
auto-cal-quick.pdf 23k .pdf file
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Originally Posted by sniffer66 View Post

Hmm, have read those previously and just now and dont see anything relevant. Only 1. could be related
"After running auto-cal for the first time in 2.3.1, when you exit ChromaPure you will get a "Cannot
create XML" error message. The next time you start ChromaPure you will have to setup the signal
generator again. From this point forward, everything will work normally and your settings will be saved
for future sessions."
As per my OP, I have re-added the Lumagen as a signal generator but this is where I have the issue. if I try and use it in an autocal once re-added I get the GPF with the "baud rate" error and CP crashes frown.gif I cant use the radiance with CP autocal at all. Even hiting "test" for the Radiance produces the error
Then you have not successfully setup the Radiance. The baud rate setting has to be the same in Windows and in CP's serial properties for the Lumagen. I recommend that it be set to 9600. If there is a mismatch between the two, this is the error you will get.
Edited by TomHuffman - 10/25/12 at 6:32pm
post #3142 of 4343
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Originally Posted by hungro View Post

I think I have it set to 1280x 768 next up is 1280x800 but that makes it only a tiny bit better. What pattern do I put up when measuring the gamut prior to using the CMS? I used 75%A/75%S from the GCD disk to adjust the cms is this the same pattern needed when I first measure with everything on the tv set to defaults. It's a samsung pn51d6500.
You are going to have to take a screen shot and show me. If your resolution is 1280x768, then there is something else going on.

No, use 100% saturation for all gamut measurements, except in special circumstances. 75% stimulus is correct.
post #3143 of 4343
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Originally Posted by PE06MCG View Post

That was my usual method, obviously wrongly I assumed they were available although not displayed in the Duo (see post #3429).
Duo patterns have been at 75% stimulus in the Duo for several years.

So there are 75% patterns after all? I thought Tom has confirmed there are. Not arguing just want to make sure before I dive into it. tongue.gif
post #3144 of 4343
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Originally Posted by PE06MCG View Post

That was my usual method, obviously wrongly I assumed they were available although not displayed in the Duo (see post #3429).
Duo patterns have been at 75% stimulus in the Duo for several years.

You must be using CalMan.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1180042/new-dvdo-iscan-duo-2-0-firmware-released/3090#post_21840890

Check the Duo patters labeled 75%, these seem to refer to Luminance, not saturation.
Easily settled with meter measurements

But if you have discovered the RS232C code that CalMan uses please post it here.
Edited by catmother - 10/25/12 at 7:01pm
post #3145 of 4343
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Originally Posted by catmother View Post

Check the Duo patters labeled 75%, these seem to refer to Luminance, not saturation.

20% saturation sweep using the DUO as the pattern generator.

post #3146 of 4343
Can Tom advise on this?
post #3147 of 4343
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Originally Posted by breadvan View Post

Can Tom advise on this?
I think you misunderstood me. The Duo has 75% stimulus patterns. DVDO apparently supplied extra functionality to SpectraCal by contract not available to general users.
post #3148 of 4343
I have provided a replacement macro that provides functionality for the Measure All button in the Advanced Color Management module. This was broken in 2.3.1 because of the addition of the Level of Stimulus drop-down.

Go to the ChromaPure News site for details.
post #3149 of 4343
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Originally Posted by TomHuffman View Post

I think you misunderstood me. The Duo has 75% stimulus patterns. DVDO apparently supplied extra functionality to SpectraCal by contract not available to general users.

OK Tom, so that answers post #3131 as well.
post #3150 of 4343
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Originally Posted by TomHuffman View Post

You are going to have to take a screen shot and show me. If your resolution is 1280x768, then there is something else going on.
No, use 100% saturation for all gamut measurements, except in special circumstances. 75% stimulus is correct.

hello Tom
I am using the built in patterns, and with that calibration in the CMS module can be done with 75% or 100% stimulus, and any combination with 75% and 100% saturation. This is a great feature.
I understand from your prevoius post that you generally recommend 75% stimulus and 100% saturation, except special circumstances. Is this correct?

Regarding special circumstances, following is from a Samsung 55ES8000. Measurements were done with 75%stimulus.
You can see the deviations at 75% saturation for green and cyan, also blue. Would this be a "special circumstance" where CMS calibration for 75%saturation would be better?
ACM Standard stim75 - Copy.xls 236k .xls file

Of coure, a calibration at 75%saturation would make results worse at 100% saturation. As an alternative, I made a calibration at 75% AND 100% saturation, both at 75% stimulus. Then I calculated the average of both settings and ran an ACM with that average. Here is the result. No extreme dE errors at neither 75% nor at 100% saturation. Would this be preferable?
ACM Standard stim75V2 - Copy.xls 236k .xls file
Edited by turboman123 - 10/26/12 at 2:44am
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