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post #3931 of 4355
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Originally Posted by gtgray View Post

You need a USB to RS-232 adapter and an appropriate serial cable. These connect a USB port on the computer where you run CP and to the serial port on the DUO. CP needs to be setup under Options> Signal Generators to enable the control of the DUO by CP. Both the DUO and your Com Port on the computer need to be at the same bit rate, partiy, stop bit etc. Once that is done CP can operate the DUO and use it as a signal generator and allowing you to do an auto-calibration. I hope you understand that the HDMI out on the DUO is the main conduit for your source devices to get their signal into your display. The DUO if allowed modifies the signal before it sends to your TV it does not actually calibrate your TV. It adjusts white and colors in the signal to compensate for your displays deviation from reference response tothe input signal.

Plasmas are trickier than other types

So, in effect I am calibrating the duo. I would do this for each of the HDMI inputs on the Duo that I am using. I must say I did think the picture did look a lot better after calibration but thought I must be mistaken.

Thank you for the explanation.

Steve
post #3932 of 4355
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Originally Posted by Thunderduck View Post

So, in effect I am calibrating the duo. I would do this for each of the HDMI inputs on the Duo that I am using. I must say I did think the picture did look a lot better after calibration but thought I must be mistaken.

Thank you for the explanation.

Steve

No you really don't have to do it for each of the inputs on the DUO... you have the individual picture controls to make minor adjustments for individual sources. Essentially by calibrating the DUO as you put it, you have calibrated your display. The variation between say a good Blue-Ray player and other devices should be minor. For example a current Panasonic BD player is known in its standard mode to put out a reference quality signal requiring no adjustment with zero color error. A cable set top box can't really be calibrated as each channel and scene varies. A broadcast like the evening news will vary from camera to camera.
post #3933 of 4355
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Originally Posted by gtgray View Post

No you really don't have to do it for each of the inputs on the DUO... you have the individual picture controls to make minor adjustments for individual sources. Essentially by calibrating the DUO as you put it, you have calibrated your display. The variation between say a good Blue-Ray player and other devices should be minor. For example a current Panasonic BD player is known in its standard mode to put out a reference quality signal requiring no adjustment with zero color error. A cable set top box can't really be calibrated as each channel and scene varies. A broadcast like the evening news will vary from camera to camera.

I believe I now understand! Thank you.

Steve
post #3934 of 4355
My first Chromapure calibration was, as expected, not a success.
I set the Sony Ruby's bright and contrast from Radiance XS pattern before starting anything.

I am using a X-Rite EyeOne Display 3 PRO, mode front projector off screen. Signal generator is Radiance XS, window, 100.
My meter was level vertically but at the 10 o'clock position horizontally with its shadow down and to the right. About 10-12" from screen.

I used the latest version of Chromapure, but apparently did not load advanced auto-calibration license. It was late so I started it anyway and left the room.
Room is quite reflective, definitely below par. But no other light source. Results in brief:



Next: import right license file. Then ??? Rerun? Change window to field in generator?
All suggestions and insults are appreciated. I freely acknowledge this is new territory for me.
post #3935 of 4355
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Originally Posted by humbug2 View Post

My first Chromapure calibration was, as expected, not a success.
I set the Sony Ruby's bright and contrast from Radiance XS pattern before starting anything.

I am using a X-Rite EyeOne Display 3 PRO, mode front projector off screen. Signal generator is Radiance XS, window, 100.
My meter was level vertically but at the 10 o'clock position horizontally with its shadow down and to the right. About 10-12" from screen.

I used the latest version of Chromapure, but apparently did not load advanced auto-calibration license. It was late so I started it anyway and left the room.
Room is quite reflective, definitely below par. But no other light source. Results in brief:



Next: import right license file. Then ??? Rerun? Change window to field in generator?
All suggestions and insults are appreciated. I freely acknowledge this is new territory for me.
The first thing you need to do is post the whole calibration report instead of this stub. Second, I need to know who you are so I can check your license.
post #3936 of 4355
Tom: I sent you an email regarding the licensing. Reports from the session are:




Wrong file attached. Actual detailed report is(should be) here:
CalibrationSummaryDetailed 1.pdf 2468k .pdf file
Edited by humbug2 - 2/20/13 at 11:49am
post #3937 of 4355
My software crashes every time I try to use the Lumen calculator. I set to fl, enter the required info then hit enter....she freezes then crashes????
post #3938 of 4355
Thank you, Tom.
post #3939 of 4355
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Originally Posted by humbug2 View Post

Tom: I sent you an email regarding the licensing. Reports from the session are:




CalibrationSummaryDetailed.pdf 2340k .pdf file

Your attached report is completely empty.

I thought I had a lemon (Ruby) with a gamma of somewhere in the 1.6 area to begin with. I had to use Sony's Image Director 2 to rebuild the gamma curve before I had a Radiance.

If I were you I will still use the ID2 to pull the gamma closer to 2.0 before running the Radiance on top of it for adjustments. The color gamut can be adjusted to perfection.

The final result is still spectacular when compared to newer models especially in colors, the only downside is the black floor!
post #3940 of 4355
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Originally Posted by Crabalocker View Post

My software crashes every time I try to use the Lumen calculator. I set to fl, enter the required info then hit enter....she freezes then crashes????
I need more information to help. What is the error message? What is your PC's default language?
post #3941 of 4355
Language support (decimal point handling) should be improved in Chromapure, otherwise is the PITA to work with quick reports, excel reports...and lumens calculator. For excel reports CP uses csv values, but for lot of european countries decimal point is "," - comma.
If you have US english windows, you should be OK, but if no - mine is Slovak, you can set evry thing in regional settings to english, still chromapura has problems with decimal point. If excel reports works, then quick reports are not working... Really annoying...
Tom, you know about it (in this thread it is mentioned) maybe one year ago, but no progress to resolve ?
Edited by prsut - 2/20/13 at 12:44am
post #3942 of 4355
Did you also set your keyboard to US?
post #3943 of 4355
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Originally Posted by Wouter73 View Post

Did you also set your keyboard to US?
yes I did
post #3944 of 4355
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Originally Posted by prsut View Post

Language support (decimal point handling) should be improved in Chromapure, otherwise is the PITA to work with quick reports, excel reports...and lumens calculator. For excel reports CP uses csv values, but for lot of european countries decimal point is "," - comma.
If you have US english windows, you should be OK, but if no - mine is Slovak, you can set evry thing in regional settings to english, still chromapura has problems with decimal point. If excel reports works, then quick reports are not working... Really annoying...
Tom, you know about it (in this thread it is mentioned) maybe one year ago, but no progress to resolve ?

I agree with you. Indeed, it is a necessity for European chromapure users
post #3945 of 4355
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Originally Posted by Wouter73 View Post

Today I calibrated my vt50eu by hand with the small lumagen windows. What happened is that the 100ire window required a really low contrast to be at 35 ftl. It had to be at 30 when normally it is at 37 to 42. Also, chromapure measures my gamma way to low compared to what the tv is set to. I have to set the tv to 2.6 to get anywhere near the 2.22, and even then all the ire point have to be cranked way up gamma-wise cause they're all way too bright. Now here's the annoying thing, once I've done all that, the graphs are all pretty, but the image with bluray or cable video is just visibly too dark... I trust the chromapure gamma reading, not the tv setting, bit it seems the abl is making it difficult. Any suggestions on how to tackle this? I got the best results in the past with small windows with an apl background, but I want to use my 125 color calibration and those patterns aren't available.

I've done well calibration with Panasonic 55VT50 resulltados selecting target gamma 2.20 and performing the calibration with classic window pattern.

Due to problems with plasma, it is intended to select a gamma which is as closely as possible to the predetermined gamma Panasonic VT50

I start cube 125 points calibration in THX CINEMA mode which comes with a gamma very close to 2.2 if you measure by normal window Lumagen pattern

calibration file Panasonic 55VT50 THX CINEMA

http://ge.tt/6ovNIyY/v/0




With this approach the image I see very good

Excuse my english
Edited by Miguelronda - 2/20/13 at 6:38am
post #3946 of 4355
I calibrate in win 7. I later copy files of interest on win 7 to an Apple Timecapsule, and still later copy files from the Timecapsule to appropriate places on a MacBook where I do almost everything.

Except I didn't look at all the files that ended up on the MacBook. The correct and previewed report is here: CalibrationSummaryDetailed 1.pdf 2468k .pdf file
post #3947 of 4355
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Originally Posted by humbug2 View Post

I calibrate in win 7. I later copy files of interest on win 7 to an Apple Timecapsule, and still later copy files from the Timecapsule to appropriate places on a MacBook where I do almost everything.

Except I didn't look at all the files that ended up on the MacBook. The correct and previewed report is here: CalibrationSummaryDetailed 1.pdf 2468k .pdf file
Do you use an extended color gamut?
post #3948 of 4355
Yes. The projector was set to colorspace wide. I chose this based on 6-year old posts in the Ruby Calibration thread. I did notice a cast to TV when calibrated that was very reminiscent of the effect of wide versus normal long before calibration which I used briefly too see what it did.

For calibration the projector settings are: colorspace wide, contrast 66, brightness 46, color 50, tint 50, sharpness min, Gamma off, Black level off, Auto Iris off, color temp middle.
post #3949 of 4355
My knowledge is not enough to state this with certainty, but arent your colors way of then? As I understood a wide gamut is nice if it means you can pull it back to were it needs to be. Better to wide then to small so to speak.
post #3950 of 4355
In the distant past I watched colorspace wide briefly because it was obviously wrong. I have re-read many articles and threads on this projector over the last few days. I thought using wide placed the primaries outside the gamut and calibrating would pull them in to where they should be.

Prior to my current effort to calibrate, my adjustments have been TV by eye on outdoor scenes, S&M BR disk, and VE DVD. I have never been satisfied with reds. They just are not real world. I can adjust things to where reds are incadescent or reds are reasonable and all the other colors are washed out. Red is my primary motivation for doing calibration.
post #3951 of 4355
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Originally Posted by humbug2 View Post

In the distant past I watched colorspace wide briefly because it was obviously wrong. I have re-read many articles and threads on this projector over the last few days. I thought using wide placed the primaries outside the gamut and calibrating would pull them in to where they should be.

Prior to my current effort to calibrate, my adjustments have been TV by eye on outdoor scenes, S&M BR disk, and VE DVD. I have never been satisfied with reds. They just are not real world. I can adjust things to where reds are incadescent or reds are reasonable and all the other colors are washed out. Red is my primary motivation for doing calibration.
Please set the Lumagen to output 75% intensity, full field test patterns, and then adv. auto-cal again.
post #3952 of 4355
Tom,

Do you know which reference color gamut should I use when calibrating an OLED cellphone display?

Thanks.
post #3953 of 4355
Not to troll or be mean, bit seriously why would you calibrate a cellphone? smile.gif
post #3954 of 4355
Though, right after I posted the above, I realised that would my phone have the controls, I'd do it too :/
post #3955 of 4355
So if someone has a problem getting saturation set with normal color space, is it a valid technique to use wide color space and calibrate using it? or are there offsetting problems?.
post #3956 of 4355
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Originally Posted by Wouter73 View Post

Though, right after I posted the above, I realised that would my phone have the controls, I'd do it too :/

We are talking a full CMS, near perfect REC.709 OLED display. Spectacular image quality, give you a glimpse of what OLED TV will be light if you do not get a chance to see a demo at exhibitions.

My wife actually asked me the same question but after she watched Stepup4 on this calibrated display, she is now a fan of OLED.
post #3957 of 4355
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Originally Posted by slimer777 View Post

We are talking a full CMS, near perfect REC.709 OLED display.

Your phone has a full CMS? Which phone/app is this?
post #3958 of 4355
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Originally Posted by fahrenheit View Post

Your phone has a full CMS? Which phone/app is this?

The guy is pulling a CMS out of Samsung. When the color calibration goes public, it will work on at least two phones; the Note II and Galaxy S3.

I did not think that it will work but it does. Primaries and secondaries can be adjusted to perfection at 100% saturation and near perfect from 25% to 75%. Better than most TVs. Luminance can be adjusted also, full gamma control from 0-255. The only thing that is not completed yet is multi-point WB. At this stage only a single parameter.

Videophiles are in luck if you have one of these phones.

Apps can never do it, you will need to root you phone and flash this kernel. Most Android phones have certain calibration capabilities, you just have to flash the ROM and kernel but never a full CMS. The only comparable model with iOS is iPhone5 and iPad4.
post #3959 of 4355
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Originally Posted by slimer777 View Post

The guy is pulling a CMS out of Samsung.
Apps can never do it, you will need to root you phone and flash this kernel.

Please get him to turn his attention to Google TV. I need a cheap LUT box.
post #3960 of 4355
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Originally Posted by slimer777 View Post

The guy is pulling a CMS out of Samsung. When the color calibration goes public, it will work on at least two phones; the Note II and Galaxy S3.

I did not think that it will work but it does. Primaries and secondaries can be adjusted to perfection at 100% saturation and near perfect from 25% to 75%. Better than most TVs. Luminance can be adjusted also, full gamma control from 0-255. The only thing that is not completed yet is multi-point WB. At this stage only a single parameter.

Videophiles are in luck if you have one of these phones.

Apps can never do it, you will need to root you phone and flash this kernel. Most Android phones have certain calibration capabilities, you just have to flash the ROM and kernel but never a full CMS. The only comparable model with iOS is iPhone5 and iPad4.

Does this apply to the HDMI output for these phones? I recall seeing a cable that could be used to output HDMI for the Note II when we got my wife one.
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