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post #1 of 24
8/28/09 at 6:15am
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Hello everyone,

I am in the process of looking for a new receiver for my home theatre room / game room and I find my self loving the higher end Onkyo's and Yamaha's but the price on these receivers are just ridiculous.

Is it just me or do they put to much unused stuff on a receiver these days.

I want a receiver (high end onkyo 906, or the yamaha 3900) with the response and sound quality in these 2 but at a reasonable price.

My thought is to eliminate all the inputs and processing for those input that are just a complete waste of time with todays interfaces. On the back of a receiver all I need are 4 HDMI inputs, 2 HDMI outputs, 7 to 9 speakers, 2 subs, 1 USB, 1 ethernet, 1 9pin, 1 componet and thats it.

Eliminating all the other s-vids, componets, phonos, CD, vcr, digital coax, and fiber optic jacks will save alot of money just concentrate on what is used in todays systems and they can bring the price way down.

Am I way off base here are alot of people still using the old components or is there something out there I have not see yet?
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post #2 of 24
8/28/09 at 6:17am
You need to look at the used market. Many, many deals.
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post #3 of 24
8/28/09 at 6:35am
I suspect most people have at least one non-hdmi component in their system.
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post #4 of 24
8/28/09 at 6:38am
Not a lot of deals on used receivers with 4 HDMI inputs and 2 HDMI outputs!

You are way off base if you dont want any analog inputs such as CD plus no digital or optical inputs. Not everybody starts completely from scratch and only has HDMI devices. Plus if you've read about all the issues with HDMI and different devices you'd find not everything is perfect with HDMI.

You said you want 1 component input on your receiver. If you have no digital coax, optical or analog inputs how you will get sound to your receiver from this device?

Since you want a high end receiver at a lower cost, what is your price range? You left that out.
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post #5 of 24
8/28/09 at 6:39am
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Originally Posted by dkrispin View Post

Hello everyone,

I am in the process of looking for a new receiver for my home theatre room / game room and I find my self loving the higher end Onkyo's and Yamaha's but the price on these receivers are just ridiculous.

Is it just me or do they put to much unused stuff on a receiver these days.

I want a receiver (high end onkyo 906, or the yamaha 3900) with the response and sound quality in these 2 but at a reasonable price.

My thought is to eliminate all the inputs and processing for those input that are just a complete waste of time with todays interfaces. On the back of a receiver all I need are 4 HDMI inputs, 2 HDMI outputs, 7 to 9 speakers, 2 subs, 1 USB, 1 ethernet, 1 9pin, 1 componet and thats it.

Eliminating all the other s-vids, componets, phonos, CD, vcr, digital coax, and fiber optic jacks will save alot of money just concentrate on what is used in todays systems and they can bring the price way down.

Am I way off base here are alot of people still using the old components or is there something out there I have not see yet?


The new Onkyo XX7 series is doing this for the most part. Look at the back of the new Onkyo 807 or even a 707 and see if this is what you are looking for.
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post #6 of 24
8/28/09 at 6:42am
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Am I way off base here are alot of people still using the old components or is there something out there I have not see yet?

Yep, you are way off base....99% of the full house automation setups use component video. Its not a big part of the market but its where the biggest $$$ are with custom installs.
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post #7 of 24
8/28/09 at 6:44am
He's right about the 10 billion composite/s-video/LR audio inputs/outputs on the back of high end receivers though. Kind of irks me that I'm paying for that, when I would trade them all for just one more HDMI input.
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post #8 of 24
8/28/09 at 6:48am
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Originally Posted by Norem View Post

He's right about the 10 billion composite/s-video/LR audio inputs/outputs on the back of high end receivers though. Kind of irks me that I'm paying for that, when I would trade them all for just one more HDMI input.

You have to remember you are not the only person buying the product. The company has to cover options for many, many people.

How do people with analog devices connect to any of these products?

Im a digital guy, I just need HDMI, digital audio (and component video still) but you should realize there is a whole analog world out there.

Now the S-video, composite video is definitely going to disappear soon enough.
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post #9 of 24
8/28/09 at 6:52am
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Originally Posted by Norem View Post

He's right about the 10 billion composite/s-video/LR audio inputs/outputs on the back of high end receivers though. Kind of irks me that I'm paying for that, when I would trade them all for just one more HDMI input.

Look at the x07 Onkyo models. 6 HDMI inputs.

How many HDMI inputs do you need?
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post #10 of 24
8/28/09 at 6:55am
The OP can get 4 HDMI in, 2 out by looking at the Marantz 8001 for $700. No networking though.
http://www.accessories4less.com/make...OSEOUT-/1.html
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post #11 of 24
8/28/09 at 7:01am
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You have to remember you are not the only person buying the product. The company has to cover options for many, many people.

I understand that. Unfortunately I'm still perplexed as to why someone would want upwards of 12 composite/s-video inputs, and 12 stereo analog inputs especially if the design budget could be used towards a more contemporary interface.

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Look at the x07 Onkyo models. 6 HDMI inputs.

How many HDMI inputs do you need?

You're talking to a day one PR-SC5507 buyer here. No, I don't need more than the 8 inputs this particular pre/pro has to offer at the moment. But I would certainly vote to remove a few of the eight composite/s-video/stereo inputs if that meant I could have a 9th HDMI input for future expandability.
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post #12 of 24
8/28/09 at 7:03am
8 HDMI inputs, holy cow! The combined systems in two rooms of my house don't use 8 HDMI inputs total!
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post #13 of 24
8/28/09 at 7:07am
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Originally Posted by Norem View Post

I understand that. Unfortunately I'm still perplexed as to why someone would want upwards of 12 composite/s-video inputs, and 12 stereo analog inputs especially if the design budget could be used towards a more contemporary interface.



You're talking to a day one PR-SC5507 buyer here. No, I don't need more than the 8 inputs this particular pre/pro has to offer at the moment. But I would certainly vote to remove a few of the eight composite/s-video/stereo inputs if that meant I could have a 9th HDMI input for future expandability.

Geez, if you need that many HDMI ports just go to Monoprice and get 8X1 switcher. Then use one of you existing ports inputs. Then you could have 15 HDMI ports.
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post #14 of 24
8/28/09 at 7:13am
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8 HDMI inputs, holy cow! The combined systems in two rooms of my house don't use 8 HDMI inputs total!

Exactly! So you can probably imagine why I have a hard time understanding the ideology behind putting eight (or more) out-dated and obsolete video inputs on the device. We don't need that many for current, relevant products. Why do we need them for stuff I haven't seen since 1996?

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Geez, if you need that many HDMI ports just go to Monoprice and get 8X1 switcher. Then use one of you existing ports inputs. Then you could have 15 HDMI ports.

So I have to buy something to gain more useful inputs? Again, wouldn't it make more sense to replace some of the useless inputs instead?
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post #15 of 24
8/28/09 at 7:28am
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Originally Posted by Norem View Post

I understand that. Unfortunately I'm still perplexed as to why someone would want upwards of 12 composite/s-video inputs, and 12 stereo analog inputs especially if the design budget could be used towards a more contemporary interface.



You're talking to a day one PR-SC5507 buyer here. No, I don't need more than the 8 inputs this particular pre/pro has to offer at the moment. But I would certainly vote to remove a few of the eight composite/s-video/stereo inputs if that meant I could have a 9th HDMI input for future expandability.


Im perplexed on why anyone wants 8 HDMI connections

you are right though 12 analog choices is probably useless. Its cheap for them to add and it makes the back of the box look more enticing to those with little knowledge....it sells
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post #16 of 24
8/28/09 at 7:33am
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Originally Posted by Norem View Post

Exactly! So you can probably imagine why I have a hard time understanding the ideology behind putting eight (or more) out-dated and obsolete video inputs on the device. We don't need that many for current, relevant products. Why do we need them for stuff I haven't seen since 1996?



So I have to buy something to gain more useful inputs? Again, wouldn't it make more sense to replace some of the useless inputs instead?

Yes you indeed would. As stated by other posters there are still a lot of people that are using these leagacy inputs and also have no use for a receiver with 8 or 10 HDMI inputs and 1,2, or even in the future 3 HDMI outs. They have to make this equipment for the masses, not for the relatively few that are indeed using 7 or 8 HDMI inputs and nothing else. We are problably still years away from only committed to HDMI only. And at this time I'm thankful for that. How many post have you read that some receivers are having with the number of HDMI ports they have now not working properly. HDMI has a ways to go to be the perfect connection solution. Secure,locking fits would be a good start. I do agree with you that some of these manufacturers do go overboard with the composite,Svhs,and component connections that will not be used though.
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post #17 of 24
8/28/09 at 7:52am
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Originally Posted by phantom52
Geez, if you need that many HDMI ports just go to Monoprice and get 8X1 switcher. Then use one of you existing ports inputs. Then you could have 15 HDMI ports.

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So I have to buy something to gain more useful inputs? Again, wouldn't it make more sense to replace some of the useless inputs instead?

Its a lot cheaper than buying a brand new receiver!
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post #18 of 24
8/28/09 at 9:11am
Sure there are a lot of people with legacy inputs but if they are using technology from the past then some of the lower end products should suit them as time/technology moves on.

At the high end I expect it to be chasing the latest and greatest and excelling at driving those inputs, not wasting circuitry on obsolete hardware.
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post #19 of 24
8/28/09 at 9:21am
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hey guys thanks for the input it just seemed to me that we were getting suckered buying all these extra jacks for no reason. I guess there are still alot of analoggers out there. I thought that us avs'ers were keeping up with the highest levels of tech but I no that want vs ability when it comes to money is always an issue for us.
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post #20 of 24
8/28/09 at 9:26am
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Originally Posted by mcfc98 View Post

Sure there are a lot of people with legacy inputs but if they are using technology from the past then some of the lower end products should suit them as time/technology moves on.

At the high end I expect it to be chasing the latest and greatest and excelling at driving those inputs, not wasting circuitry on obsolete hardware.

Again, there is some brand new and expensive analog equipment out there.

Analog audio is needed, I agree with everyone about the composite video stuff though, its a complete waste of space.

I suspect those boards come in a one size fits all and they just insert them. Im sure one or two manufacturing facilities mass produces those analog audio/standard video boards and AVR companies do not really have choice of ordering 1,2 or 3 analog connections independantly, it could be a 6 analog board or 12 analog board ordering option by default.
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post #21 of 24
8/28/09 at 9:26am
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Originally Posted by dkrispin View Post

hey guys thanks for the input it just seemed to me that we were getting suckered buying all these extra jacks for no reason. I guess there are still alot of analoggers out there. I thought that us avs'ers were keeping up with the highest levels of tech but I no that want vs ability when it comes to money is always an issue for us.

We AVSers account for 1% of 1% of the market actually, we do not really matter

it costs the same to have 12 analog connections as it does to have 1 analog connection on the box so the manufacturer does not care.
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post #22 of 24
8/28/09 at 9:31am
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Originally Posted by mcfc98 View Post

Sure there are a lot of people with legacy inputs but if they are using technology from the past then some of the lower end products should suit them as time/technology moves on.

At the high end I expect it to be chasing the latest and greatest and excelling at driving those inputs, not wasting circuitry on obsolete hardware.

At the "high end" they are chasing the latest and greatest. It wasn't very long ago that you could buy a receiver at the prices we pay today that do upscaling from component cables to HDMI. These things are like everything else. Baby steps to better technology. They are getting very technical at a fast pace, problably too fast. HDMI still needs to be perfected before it is the only wat to connect. Hell, there are still far too many HD-DVR's that won't work with HDMI. And these are fairly new to party. Leagacy will still be around for a while, just fewer of them on newer purchases.
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post #23 of 24
8/28/09 at 9:54am
I wanted to note that for zone audio/video, you need analog/composite inputs for any external source. Maybe not on every receiver, but on most.

So they serve a purpose.

Also, there are people out there with unique needs such as wanting to hook up a number of old game consoles and such.

I one for am pleased my Yamaha RX-V3900 offers lots of input flexibilty.

I don't know that you pay a lot for legacy analog inputs. In any case, Yamaha seems to be cutting way back on them, and reduction of analog inputs is a trend I expect to see in the future.
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post #24 of 24
8/28/09 at 1:14pm
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Now the S-video, composite video is definitely going to disappear soon enough.

I agree about S-video, but I doubt composite video is going anywhere. Composite is the standard that every device under the sun supports (including unusual stuff like IR cameras and whatnot). It's possible that with the retirement of analog TV in the US we'll see a decline in the prevalence of composite video (analog TV was just composite video on an RF carrier), but I'm not sure. Until sources stop including composite video as an output option (which hasn't happened yet, even on blu-ray players), I doubt we'll stop seeing it on receivers.

Also, MichaelJHuman makes a good point about old game consoles. They don't have 100% compatible modern equivalents the way other types of devices do (you can't buy a new NES with HDMI outputs). This alone could keep the market for modern receivers with old-style inputs alive.
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