Kuro 500M burn in experience? - Page 2

If you have a KURO and your IR/Burn-in is only visible on a black screen and is negative (burn-in area is darker than normal) then you may also try a light halftone aging screen (<10%) for a very long period of time if the full white does not work.

Sorry for the tech jargon but KURO technology is extremely unique in that individual pixels use space discharge when in MLL mode and switch to surface discharge when in no-signal mode or when displaying something other than MLL.

I have actually purposefully created short term IR on my 141FD that is only visible on MLL and disappears when in no-signal mode, then reappears when switched back to MLL mode. It is extremely cool effect to watch

Note that KURO also has a very non-uniform MLL where in general the centre of the screen is much darker than the borders and the entire array of pixels is speckled. This seems almost intrinsic to the design. This in combination with the very low MLL will exaggerate any 4:3 or 16:9 IR/burn in on a totally black screen.

And this is why I bought an LCD two years ago. I like to go INSANE with my TV.

I'll watch whatever format from whatever input device for as long as I want at eye burning brightness and contrast!!! I must be crazy!

I'll pause Tivo and go to bed! Nuts, I tells ya, Nuts!

I just don't like my TV telling me what to watch.

Thanks I also realize I have the probability reversed. I'll edit the post.

Thanks. From what I've read, 1080P doesn't look differently than 720P if your screen size, viewing distance (and eyesight ) aren't all up to snuff. I think they can get by with 720P since they will often be about 12 feet away from the 42" screen.

I'll recommend a Samsung/Sony/Panny plasma to them.... I hope burn-in won't be a significant issue (I haven't kept up with the latest advancements).

I have a 500M. I never stretch the picture, I watch everything in its OAR, and I don't use the pixel orbitor. Never have I noticed IR/burn-in while watching something, nor do I worry about it ever appearing.

The day that it emerges - if that day ever comes - is the day that I'll start getting concerned.

A full screen aging will only reverse short or long term image retention and not phosphor wear. Since there is no definitive way of knowing the exact cause of your ghost image I would recommend that you try it. 100hours is what Samsung used.

Still, that means that the set is "under repair" and unavailable for use, for over 4 days. While it might cure the problem, the cure is IMHO unacceptable as a remedy because it constitutes an loss of service for the device being "repaired".

It just seems to me that (while anybody has any right to any preference in video technology whatsoever) that the owners of Plasma displays sacrifice too much convenience, and are forced to think all the time about how they are using their sets, which is a Plasma-related hassle that LCD panel owners simply don't have.

I love the fact that (I've talked about this before, I know) I was able to move my home office temporarily to my family room while I was wheelchair bound following surgery, and was able to plug in my LCD and throw a Microsoft Office E-mail screen up there at a brightness level suitable to reading E-Mail in full sunlight, without any damage whatsoever for 5+ weeks. If my set had been a Plasma, I either would not have been free to do what I just described, or I would still see the unchanging format of that E-Mail window burned into my screen.

Some do, and some don't.

Exactly how do those who don't worry about it, don't take steps to avoid it and never encounter it sacrifice convenience?

Ah, so plasmas still require attention... I'll tell him to go with LCD. Thanks.

In the past 5 years I have had 4 sets in my house and two have been " under repair" and they were both an LCD (one Panasonic that was gone for over 2 weeks and a Samsung that was laid up for 5 days and both were fortunately fixed under warrantyas the Samsung had an extended warranty on it). The plasma, which is the second oldest set, hasn't had an issue and I watch what I want and how I want without a worry. It's also the best picture in the house and in the room with the most windows.

It depends on how involved of a calibration you're getting, but figure anywhere from $250-$450 depending on the details.

I've had my 6020 for about 10 months and have done all but abuse the thing.

No burn-in, or IR. And I'm certain that if it ever does appear, it'll prolly be on someone else's wall cause I haven't kept the same TV for over 5 years in my life.

James

Let me ask what is "carelessness" to you? I know that my habits would be considered careless with a plasma. I don't want to think about such things, I just want to sit down turn it on and watch, anything in anyway I choose and not worry about BI or IR which is the same.

In the OP's original question he outlined several things that would contribtue to burn in on any PDP. Seems that if his habits are watching such stuff that will do this maybe he is better off with an LCD.

On the other hand the supply is getting lower and lower. If you are going to do it, do it now.

Haha, contradicting yourself is a problem isn't it? You can't possibly have accumulated enough hours on your lcd to say that the problem of burn in isn't a possibility. I use my 360, ps3, watch blu-rays constantly on my 5020 and I NEVER worry about image retention.

Let me clarify. If you are not an idiot, you won't get burn in on your 9g Pioneer. END

IR and BI also not the same

Plasma owners are forced to sacrifice too much convenience? And to think constantly about the condition of their televisions?

Please, give me a break from this nonsense. I can't believe people actually buy this stuff, it's truly appalling

Oh my goodness! I can't believe you'd fall asleep with your tv on. How irresponsible.

Too bad there's no way to automatically turn your tv off in case this happens. Oh wait...

Actually, you're description of INSANE would not have any deliterious effect on any plasma panels being produced today, so don't sweat it!

Still, you can't blame the user on that or on the content providers. That would have to lie on the faults of the set. All I'm saying is, if the Plasma set involved shows any hint of IR or even BI, then that would be still the fault of the set (no matter how big or small). Thus in response, the manufacturer would have to increase the tolerance of future sets against this.

Otherwise, if that's his viewing habits, then I guess LCD would suit him more.

But you cannot blame this on the user

Well that's just me. Either way, I guess we're all free to agree or disagree.

@anyways
I do hope to test this for myself someday. In where I'm from, majority of content viewed on a TV screen is still in SD (we only have two-three HD channels available on Cable or pay-TV here........and HD game consoles and blu-ray and HD devices can only be afforded by less than 10% of the population) as of 2009.

What I'd want to hopefully test is as to regards to how plasma TV sets handle 4:3 and SD content (which is dominant in the Philippines as of 2009). Many experts have said that plasmas handle 4:3 content better than LCDs.....but with this new discussion, there is sort of debate as to whether this holds true or not (with claims that stretching 4:3 content puts some pressure on a plasma set).

Now that's what I want to hopefully test someday (whether it exists or not).

NOTE:
Majority of TV channels in Asia-Pacific ALWAYS have a constant logo watermark ALL THE TIME. I'm talking about Taiwanese channels, HBO ASIA, Discovery SEASIA, National Geographic Asia, Foxcrime, FX ASIA, etc.

All of the channels operated by STAR TV (owned by Rupert Murcdoch) do this.

So yeah, I'd like to know how newer plasmas stack up to this. It would be interesting to experiment and observe this for myself. It's been 5-10 years since plasmas suffered from major burn-in. Hence, I'd like to see how far we've gone..............when we pit it against content that is considered 'toxic' for plasma.

It's gonna be interesting to test this out for myself

It is more than just a calibration.

-> Gauranteeing you a pixal perfect display
-> doing 150 hr worths of break-in. that's over 6 days of nonstop break-in they are doing for you
-> installing control Cal ISF patch (I think the patch is around 100 bucks alone)
-> and then they are calibrating it. I think $350-500 is market price for a full ISF calibration

I don't know if it is a great deal, but getting a display set to go out of box gaurantee'd to be pixal perfect is worth a premium

I think if they could sell it with the breakin alone(no calib or patch) it would be great.The breakin is a real hassle for most i would think.

I was just pointing out it is more than just a claibration. Yes, you can do a break-in session on your own, but still is nice to have it done for you. This doesn't mean it has a dollar value (it does have some electricity cost savings for you ), more of a convenience value.

Yes, you might be satisfied with a disc calibration, and you might just be satisfied with setting it to pure mode or movie mode and calling it a day. that doesn't take away from the fact that for the panel to look its best, you would probably need a professional ISF calibration and the ISF patch.... both have a monetary price.

I don't know what the chances are of not getting a pixel perfect display. I have two 9G kuros... a pro-151fd and a krp-600M both are pixel perfect. Did I get lucky? I don't think so, but I know there is a chance to get one with dead pixels.

In the end, you just need to determine what has value to you and how much it is really worth.

Hey xrox or MFLUGSTA, what did you use to do the 100 hour full white aging process? I have slightly lighter black bars on the sides when the screen is black in a dark room. Not noticeable until I noticed it, and now I'm obsessed with it. 60" Kuro.

That form of "burn-in" is the most common form. The plasma sets at my workplace are installed in pairs in break rooms and are running 10+ hours/day, 5 days/week, with 4:3 images (Headline News, QVC, FBN, etc.). Then when management comes on in a 16:9 teleconference, the sidebar area, blacked out during the daytime use, is noticeably brighter than the center 4:3 area where the constant SD images have been displayed. In the 50+ hours of use per week mode, burn-in is visible in as little as two years.

15+ years ago, when we had CRT RPTVs in the cafeterias only, those were burned too.

Burn-in happens. But not on LCDs, barring the occasional defective panel.

But if you are a typical AVS user, you will upgrade to a new TV before you have owned a plasma long enough to cause noticeable burn-in. Then you will drone on and on about how "plasmas don't suffer from burn-in". But if that were actually true, the manufacturer warranty would not exclude burn-in.