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post #151 of 6075
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Originally Posted by wiatrak View Post

I'm download user manual of Prime 3.0, and one thing makes me curious. In Player Specifications is written: "Subtitle formats SRT, SUB, plain text/SSA/AAS (MKV), VobSub, PGS (Blu-ray playback only)". There is no BD subs from files, only from discs? Maybe it is mistake or (my) misunderstanding? Some clarification would be nice...

If you play a BD rip structure from disk, you do get the subs.

If you play the m2ts file directly, no subs.
post #152 of 6075
You mean in Prime 1.0 and Base 2.0, or Prime 3.0 too? IIRC, in earlier models specs that restriction "PGS (Blu-ray playback only)" was not mentioned.
post #153 of 6075
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Originally Posted by aronsonstack View Post

You kind of answered your own question there. "No BD support." I have a wdtv right now which I bought for $99 also a PS3 and it's pretty annoying that you can't have 1 solution for all your needs. My wdtv plays dvds and BD files fine, but you cannot navigate menus. So for a blu-ray, it means muxing the main movie out first which takes about 1 to 2hrs. My ps3 plays games and BD disk, but is worthless as media file player unless you're playing dvix. Both these machines can be tweaked to do this and that, but usually you're missing some sort of feature. You get something to work, you lose out on something else like subtitles. You get subtitles to work, you lose out on something else. It seems like there is always something missing.

For someone who doesn't care about blu-ray, and doesn't care about the ability to navigate menus, have perfect working audio and subtitle selections, etc. Then I guess you would pose the question "what gives?"

For others, this Dune system can be their main media station. I'm saying goodbye to my wdtv and possibly my ps3 too since I don't play games much. Looking forward to having one media station that does everything for me. It's going to be refreshing to have the ability to just rip a BD disk and don't have to waste time muxing and all that crap. Just play it on the Dune and have it function as if you're playing the real physical disk.

Same here if it works as it should, considering the chip and the co$t.

Theoretically, the PCH 200 should work pretty much as well, but it isn't there yet.
post #154 of 6075
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Originally Posted by wiatrak View Post

You mean in Prime 1.0 and Base 2.0, or Prime 3.0 too? IIRC, in earlier models specs that restriction "PGS (Blu-ray playback only)" was not mentioned.

Mon only experience is with 1.0, but 3.0 can only be better. Its firmware has the same core as the 1.0 one.
post #155 of 6075
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Originally Posted by robena View Post

If you play a BD rip structure from disk, you do get the subs.

If you play the m2ts file directly, no subs.

Please clarify... When you say from "disk," do you mean the blu ray dvd, or do you mean the hard disk?

Because you use the words "rip structure" which indicates you mean ripped blu ray files. So I don't understand if you can get subtitles from blu ray ripped files, why not from the m2ts?
post #156 of 6075
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by wiatrak View Post

I'm download user manual of Prime 3.0, and one thing makes me curious. In Player Specifications is written: "Subtitle formats SRT, SUB, plain text/SSA/AAS (MKV), VobSub, PGS (Blu-ray playback only)". There is no BD subs from files, only from discs? Maybe it is mistake or (my) misunderstanding? Some clarification would be nice...

note that the functionality of playback of Blu-ray discs, ISO images and directories with BD structures is totally equal on all Dune Prime players (and the same as in Base, but only Base has not a BD drive). So in the specs "Blu-ray playback only" means playback of Blu-ray structure in any form (disc, ISO or directory from any media)
It's like this even in the old Dune Prime 1.0

And of course this Blu-ray note is only relevant for PGS.
(though I believe that VobSub should be only relevant for any DVD structure... the rest should be for files)
post #157 of 6075
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Originally Posted by wiatrak View Post

Maybe? And one thing, "files" I mean BD rips, like ISO or .m2ts...

so if you have a directory which is a full copy of a Blu-ray disc then it depends on how you play it:
1. if you play as a BD disc,you have all the functions inc. subtitles, menus, BD Live and so on.
2. if you navigate to the biggest m2ts file and play it then the functionality is rather limited (why would you do it if you can do 1.?)
post #158 of 6075
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Originally Posted by aronsonstack View Post

Please clarify... When you say from "disk," do you mean the blu ray dvd, or do you mean the hard disk?

Hard disk.

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Because you use the words "rip structure" which indicates you mean ripped blu ray files. So I don't understand if you can get subtitles from blu ray ripped files, why not from the m2ts?

When you remote-click on a directory (on a hard disk) which contains a BR structure, the Dune starts in a specific BR mode. You get the menus and all the bells and whistles, and the subs are displayed in exactly the same way as if you were playing an optical disk.

If you play directly a TS, MPEG or M2TS file by remote-clicking on the file itself, the Dune plays them in a different mode, and the subs imbedded in the M2TS file are not decoded.
post #159 of 6075
While an integrated media player is a 'nice to have' convenience, to me, due its price, the Dune does not represent the solid value that I am looking for in this economy and for my money. It is not like I dont have any money, but these days I look a lot more carefully at what I'm getting.
post #160 of 6075
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Originally Posted by Kostya View Post

so if you have a directory which is a full copy of a Blu-ray disc then it depends on how you play it:
1. if you play as a BD disc,you have all the functions inc. subtitles, menus, BD Live and so on.
2. if you navigate to the biggest m2ts file and play it then the functionality is rather limited (why would you do it if you can do 1.?)

I'm very new to all of this, but could the answer be to limit storage needs if all you want to do is watch the movie and don't need subs?

Am I correct in thinking that HD audio is imbedded in the main movie file?
post #161 of 6075
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Originally Posted by robena View Post

..but 3.0 can only be better. Its firmware has the same core as the 1.0 one.

Yes, I'm also expected that 3.0 will be better, in that or other way. But what makes me little worry (about subs), is possibility of a new, more restrictive license from BDA - Prime is advertised as a real blu ray player. Maybe I'm too paranoid?
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Originally Posted by Kostya View Post

...So in the specs "Blu-ray playback only" means playback of Blu-ray structure in any form...

One little off top question: if I do reauthoring (remuxing) of 1:1 BD rip and make BDMV folder with main movie only and the chosen audio and subs tracks, that gives me possibility of playing with PGS subs?
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Originally Posted by Kostya View Post

...why would you do it if you can do 1.?...

GBytes cost... So maybe reauthoring is solution?
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Originally Posted by kjgarrison View Post

..if all you want to do is watch the movie and don't need subs?

Am I correct in thinking that HD audio is imbedded in the main movie file?

But I'm need subs.
You are correct, playing only .m2ts file (with main movie) you might switch between sound tracks, and if player allows to that, HD audio also.
post #162 of 6075
Ok, who's waiting for their Dune!!?? Yea I know, it still is very early and several weeks away at least.

Does Dune have a support page or area where customer's can go to and get support? I did take the chance on ordering one of these, but seems there is very limited support if there is even is one. I'm glad I can tinker well, solder, write a little code....I hope I won't have to.
post #163 of 6075
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Originally Posted by Kostya View Post

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1. if you play as a BD disc,you have all the functions inc. subtitles, menus, BD Live and so on.
2. if you navigate to the biggest m2ts file and play it then the functionality is rather limited (why would you do it if you can do 1.?)

To skip Java loading, FBI warnings, trailers and go direct to the movie much much faster.

But you can also remux a simple BR structure to start that way, and still have the subs.
post #164 of 6075
No excuse for the lack of .PGS subtitle support for .m2ts bluray rips.
Cheap Realtek based media players now support them...
post #165 of 6075
I'm interested in the Dune base 3.0. Was wondering if I put a SATA 1TB HDD in the 3.5" bay, does the drive have to be formatted in ext2 partition? Or can I format the HDD as NTFS pass my movies over from my computer then put it in the dune player?

Trying to see how to transfer ripped blurays from computer to a HDD to put in the dune player HDD bay. Without having to use an extra HDD to plug into the eSATA or USB ports to copy over to the HDD thats in the 3.5" bay. The ripped blurays will be in either ISO, MKV, BDMV, or M2TS depending on what the player likes best.

Will the player decode the HD audio codecs from the MKV or M2TS files so that I can get HD audio on my HDMI 1.1 receiver? or is it just passthrough (bitstream)?
post #166 of 6075
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Originally Posted by syk69 View Post

I'm interested in the Dune base 3.0. Was wondering if I put a SATA 1TB HDD in the 3.5" bay, does the drive have to be formatted in ext2 partition? Or can I format the HDD as NTFS pass my movies over from my computer then put it in the dune player?

Trying to see how to transfer ripped blurays from computer to a HDD to put in the dune player HDD bay. Without having to use an extra HDD to plug into the eSATA or USB ports to copy over to the HDD thats in the 3.5" bay. The ripped blurays will be in either ISO, MKV, BDMV, or M2TS depending on what the player likes best.

Will the player decode the HD audio codecs from the MKV or M2TS files so that I can get HD audio on my HDMI 1.1 receiver? or is it just passthrough (bitstream)?

Here all answers for You: http://www.digitalconnection.com/Pro...ideo/base3.asp

HDMI 1.1-not support Dolby True HD, DTS HD HRA, DTS HD MA-only HDMI 1.3.

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HDMI 1.3

Blu-Ray discs (Profile 1.1/2.0)
DVD-Video discs
Files on Blu-Ray (BD-R, BD-RE), DVD (DVD-ROM, DVD+-R, DVD+-RW), CD (CD-ROM, CD-R, CD-RW) discs
Files on USB drives (USB HDD, USB flash, USB card readers etc)
Files in local network from PC or NAS (NFS and SMB)
IPTV (free channels UDP/RTP MPEG-TS, H.264/MPEG-2)
Internet radio (HTTP/MP3)

File formats: MKV, MPEG-TS, MPEG-PS, M2TS, VOB, AVI, MOV, MP4, QT, ASF, WMV, DVD-ISO, VIDEO_TS.
Video codecs: MPEG2, MPEG4, DivX, XVID, WMV9, VC1, H.264.
Audio codecs: AC3 (DD), EAC3 (DD+), DTS, MPEG 1/2/3, AAC, LPCM, WMA, WMAPro, Dolby True HD, DTS HD HRA, DTS HD MA (HD-formats for Blu-Ray playback only).
Subtitle formats: Plain text, SSA/AAS, SRT, VOB.

FAT16/32 (read-write) EXT2/EXT3 (read-write), NTFS (read-only)
post #167 of 6075
posted 09-05-09, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by jrolmstd View Post

Thanks, just placed a pre-order

Crap, stopped back out to check on the status of my pre-oder only to find out my order history is now empty. Looks like they had a price drop since the original pre-order prices were posted. Maybe they killed the order cause of it... who knows.

Need to contact DC and see if I have one still on pre-order or not....
post #168 of 6075
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Originally Posted by Mike:SH View Post

Here all answers for You: http://www.digitalconnection.com/Pro...ideo/base3.asp

HDMI 1.1-not support Dolby True HD, DTS HD HRA, DTS HD MA-only HDMI 1.3.

thanks those are specs, not the answers to my questions. reason i have these questions is because i read the specs and i wasn't clear on some things. hence the questions.

would like to know when it reads an mkv file or m2ts with an HD audio codec like dts master audio, does it just pass through hdmi or does it decode it to lpcm to the receiver?
post #169 of 6075
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Was wondering if I put a SATA 1TB HDD in the 3.5" bay, does the drive have to be formatted in ext2 partition? Or can I format the HDD as NTFS pass my movies over from my computer then put it in the dune player?

It sure is recommended to NOT use NTFS as it is quite terrible for embedded device, but that isn't always an option.

Right now, you can use NTFS in read/only and play movies etc without issues. From the retail 1.0 dune, and since they share firmwares (so far) most likely the 3.0 is the same

Right now, you can use my ntfs-3g hack for Dune, and re-mount it read/write if you want. And use smb/nfs/ftp/gui to change the NTFS volume. But quite slowly.

In future, perhaps they will include NTFS read/write, of this I know nothing, but it is very possible for them to add to firmware.
post #170 of 6075
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Originally Posted by lundman View Post

It sure is recommended to NOT use NTFS as it is quite terrible for embedded device, but that isn't always an option.

Right now, you can use NTFS in read/only and play movies etc without issues. From the retail 1.0 dune, and since they share firmwares (so far) most likely the 3.0 is the same

Right now, you can use my ntfs-3g hack for Dune, and re-mount it read/write if you want. And use smb/nfs/ftp/gui to change the NTFS volume. But quite slowly.

In future, perhaps they will include NTFS read/write, of this I know nothing, but it is very possible for them to add to firmware.

thanks that helps clear things. i guess i'll wait to see how well this player is supported with future firmwares and how well it performs from user feedback.
post #171 of 6075
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Originally Posted by jrolmstd View Post

posted 09-05-09, 09:15 AM



Crap, stopped back out to check on the status of my pre-oder only to find out my order history is now empty. Looks like they had a price drop since the original pre-order prices were posted. Maybe they killed the order cause of it... who knows.

Need to contact DC and see if I have one still on pre-order or not....

Wow, you scared me. I logged in my DC account to check my preorder and it was still there. I pre-ordered back in August.

Hopefully that will not flag it to be deleted.
post #172 of 6075
Sorry for jumping in on this thread, but have been following you guys for the last few days. I currently have a mac mini with a 4TB WD external formatted for mac(osx extended journaled). I have all my dvd collection (video-ts) in folders on the ext drive. i want to place an order for the base 3.0 on DC, but I have one question. if i plug the WD ext into the sata port, will the Dune see the drive> will I be able to play these without having to transfer them and reformat.?
Herbie
post #173 of 6075
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Originally Posted by hcolon View Post

Sorry for jumping in on this thread, but have been following you guys for the last few days. I currently have a mac mini with a 4TB WD external formatted for mac(osx extended journaled). I have all my dvd collection (video-ts) in folders on the ext drive. i want to place an order for the base 3.0 on DC, but I have one question. if i plug the WD ext into the sata port, will the Dune see the drive> will I be able to play these without having to transfer them and reformat.?
Herbie

Not too sure about how different Mac OS X filesystem is different from the Linux filesystem, but it is probably proprietary (so you'll probably have to copy).

Here is the list of supported filesystems for the Dune:

File System:
FAT16/32 (read-write), EXT2/EXT3 (read-write), NTFS (read-only)
post #174 of 6075
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Originally Posted by GotHDTV? View Post

Wow, you scared me. I logged in my DC account to check my preorder and it was still there. I pre-ordered back in August.

Hopefully that will not flag it to be deleted.

We don't delete orders.
post #175 of 6075
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Originally Posted by syk69 View Post

thanks those are specs, not the answers to my questions. reason i have these questions is because i read the specs and i wasn't clear on some things. hence the questions.

would like to know when it reads an mkv file or m2ts with an HD audio codec like dts master audio, does it just pass through hdmi or does it decode it to lpcm to the receiver?

I think i answer for You :

If you have HDMI 1.1- its not support Dolby True HD, DTS HD HRA, DTS HD MA-only HDMI 1.3.
In order have decode to lpcm you mast connect 7.1 analog audio-or change receiver to model with support HDMI 1.3.
I think if you read specs its very understandably.
post #176 of 6075
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Originally Posted by Kei Clark View Post

We don't delete orders.


Nope, you don't but the site does seem to log you in even when you fat finger the user id without knowing it This would explain why my order history was empty...
post #177 of 6075
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Originally Posted by Mike:SH View Post

I think i answer for You :

If you have HDMI 1.1- its not support Dolby True HD, DTS HD HRA, DTS HD MA-only HDMI 1.3.
In order have decode to lpcm you mast connect 7.1 analog audio-or change receiver to model with support HDMI 1.3.
I think if you read specs its very understandably.

i already know what hdmi 1.1 and 1.3 means. thats why i'm asking if the dune player decodes the hd audio codecs in (mkv, m2ts) containers or bdmv, bluray iso's so that i can hear hd audio through my receiver. i already know that my receiver doesnt decode the hd audio codecs.

also the specs just say pass through an decoding of hd audio codecs, doesnt say if its from media files or just from optical bluray discs.

i want to be sure the dune player plays these files correctly before i order the player. as in no stuttering, or just decoding the cores of the dts ma an true hd codecs. unlike the popcorn c-200 whos having all sorts of issues with bluray rips. which just reading specs wont help me.
post #178 of 6075
Hi there ;-)

I'm really interested in buying an HD Prime 3.0, but I live in Europe and have tons of Region A Blu-rays... how easy is it to make it region free ?

Thx !
post #179 of 6075
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Originally Posted by jrolmstd View Post

Nope, you don't but the site does seem to log you in even when you fat finger the user id without knowing it This would explain why my order history was empty...

General question for you. Is the final billing price set to the final pre-order price? I only ask because the current pre-order price is less than my order history is showing...

thanks

jrolmstd,

PM me with your order number, not sure why it would be priced higher than the current as the price now is higher than during the pre-order sale.
post #180 of 6075
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Originally Posted by Opentoe View Post

Ok, who's waiting for their Dune!!?? Yea I know, it still is very early and several weeks away at least.

Does Dune have a support page or area where customer's can go to and get support? I did take the chance on ordering one of these, but seems there is very limited support if there is even is one. I'm glad I can tinker well, solder, write a little code....I hope I won't have to.

Actually I am waiting for YOUR Dune. You go first.
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