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post #5911 of 6075
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Originally Posted by bob13654 View Post

So far I have 3 2TB Seagate drives in the server and there is about a half terabyte available.

So I played around with my copy of Up in the Air last night. I used the original ISO rip that was stuttering like crazy starting from the first few seconds and I mounted it in Virtual CloneDrive. I then went into the virtual drive and manually copied the BDMV folder and Certificate folder to a Test folder that I created on my server. I then ripped the original ISO as movie only using Clown BD. Now I have three copies on my server, the original ISO, a BDMV folder version and a Clown rip that is packaged as an ISO, all created from the original ISO image that has been causing problems.

I watched the first few minutes of each test and both played without a hiccup, so I went back to the original ISO file and played it again and it stuttered in the first 20 seconds. I then went back again and played the first few minutes of the movie only and folder rips and they played without a hiccup.

Could my problem be that the Dune is choking on the ISOs? If that is the problem, why does the Clown rip play perfectly when it is an ISO as well?


I don't know, that sounds strange that variants of the same file work fine but not the original. It would seem that if the original were a problem then the other versions would have been corrupt as well. I don't think the ISO format is a problem. 99% of my files are full BD-ISO rips from DVDFab or AnyDVD. I asked about your available free space and drive types because I had a problem with my WHS and Dune in the beginning. I had an older 200GB drive in my server and my overall storage pool with that and just a single additional 1TB drive was down to around 90GB of free space when I first started out with my Dune. When I removed that small 200GB drive from the storage pool my issues went away. However, I did tweak a few things in my network setup suspecting that this might also be the problem. Through all of these minor changes my read speeds gradually improved to the point where I don't have stutter issues at all anymore and I stopped working about what kind of read speeds I was getting on every file in my collection. I don't think 500GB of free space is a problem so it may be that you have a drive failing in the server. I'm using Seagate 2TB drives in my WHS and have been happy with them. I would however stay away from "green" drives as I know they have been known to cause problems. I know it's aggravating to have stutter issues and I was very concerned in the beginning with my setup but "knock on wood" I think those days are behind me. What firmware is your Dune on?
post #5912 of 6075
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Originally Posted by bob13654 View Post

Could my problem be that the Dune is choking on the ISOs? If that is the problem, why does the Clown rip play perfectly when it is an ISO as well?

I have over 600 ISOs on my server, all ripped with BD Clown and AnydvdHD and never had an issue with stuttering. Have you considered not making full ISOs ?, I really never understood the benefit of a full ISO over a ripped ISOs when dealing with movies. After all, only the movie, Hidef Audio and Subs are important. How many times would you watch the extras, if at all? The extra space required is not worth it. As you know, the fastest method from click to screen is to ditch the menus, java and other BS.
post #5913 of 6075
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Originally Posted by blackssr View Post

I have over 600 ISOs on my server, all ripped with BD Clown and AnydvdHD and never had an issue with stuttering. Have you considered not making full ISOs ?, I really never understood the benefit of a full ISO over a ripped ISOs when dealing with movies. After all, only the movie, Hidef Audio and Subs are important. How many times would you watch the extras, if at all? The extra space required is not worth it. As you know, the fastest method from click to screen is to ditch the menus, java and other BS.

Although I appreciate the fact that the Dune does full menus so well, after almost 200 titles I'm not so sure I would choose to do full ISO rips with menus again. Once you start using a tool like Zappiti or MyMovies it kind of defeats the purpose of quickly browsing your collection only to have to fumble through the menus once you make a selection. I do however enjoy the ability to use the pop-up menus built into BD titles to be able to find specific scenes. I would miss that but I'm still conflicted about which is more important, full navigation of menus or instant start movie.
post #5914 of 6075
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Originally Posted by dropzone7 View Post

Although I appreciate the fact that the Dune does full menus so well, after almost 200 titles I'm not so sure I would choose to do full ISO rips with menus again. Once you start using a tool like Zappiti or MyMovies it kind of defeats the purpose of quickly browsing your collection only to have to fumble through the menus once you make a selection. I do however enjoy the ability to use the pop-up menus built into BD titles to be able to find specific scenes. I would miss that but I'm still conflicted about which is more important, full navigation of menus or instant start movie.

Excellent point here. For me it was about space and thus ripping movie, HD audio, subs was all I wanted. If I want the special features I'll grab the disc from my "file binders" and pop it in otherwise I want as many movies as I can fit on my server.

Greg
post #5915 of 6075
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Originally Posted by dropzone7 View Post

Although I appreciate the fact that the Dune does full menus so well, after almost 200 titles I'm not so sure I would choose to do full ISO rips with menus again. Once you start using a tool like Zappiti or MyMovies it kind of defeats the purpose of quickly browsing your collection only to have to fumble through the menus once you make a selection. I do however enjoy the ability to use the pop-up menus built into BD titles to be able to find specific scenes. I would miss that but I'm still conflicted about which is more important, full navigation of menus or instant start movie.

I forgot to state I do use full ISOs for Concerts and Dexter etc...but never for movies.
post #5916 of 6075
(WORKER) HELLO
How do you do -- Please state your problem.
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Originally Posted by bob13654 View Post

I'm still having stuttering problems with my Base 3.0 and Media Smart EX495. ... Any ideas?

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Originally Posted by bob13654 View Post

...
So I played around with my copy of Up in the Air last night. I used the original ISO rip that was stuttering like crazy starting from the first few seconds and ...
[ description of a valiant (and methodical) attempt to isolate the gremlin ]

Could my problem be ...

You've been through a lot on this one, so I figure you deserve some professional help (otherwise, you're soon going to need some). And, since it's free, you get the (very) abbreviated version:

==>> Copy your (original!) .

Yes, just drag-and-drop it. Now, from the Dune, play .

-- Uh Clem
"Hard work pays off in the end--but laziness pays off now."
post #5917 of 6075
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Originally Posted by Uh Clem View Post

(WORKER) HELLO
How do you do -- Please state your problem.



You've been through a lot on this one, so I figure you deserve some professional help (otherwise, you're soon going to need some). And, since it's free, you get the (very) abbreviated version:

==>> Copy your (original!) .

Yes, just drag-and-drop it. Now, from the Dune, play .

-- Uh Clem
"Hard work pays off in the end--but laziness pays off now."

post #5918 of 6075
ISO's are not the problem. I've tested way too many to count. I swear I'm watching a bunch of monkeys running around in circles.

People like me and BlackSSR have been through the ringer with Dune Players and BD formats.

It's either your dune player, network/firewall/switch, or bad encode of the ISO.

First time around I replaced EVERYTHING!!! except for the Dune Player. Swapped it out..and presto... ZERO STUTTERS. I couldn't play Chapter 6 of War of the Worlds via 1Gbps with CAT6 shielded cable without stuttering. After awhile common sense has to kick in doesn't it?
post #5919 of 6075
Well, I think that I solved the problem. Emphasis on think.

Even though I set up a nfs server on my WHS, yaDIS (the program I use to organize my files) routed me through the smb share. Once I changed the default file path to the nfs share through yaDIS, it appears to have solved the problem. I have done limited testing so I can't be positive, but I am hopeful.
post #5920 of 6075
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Originally Posted by Jim HTPC View Post

ISO's are not the problem. I've tested way too many to count. I swear I'm watching a bunch of monkeys running around in circles.

People like me and BlackSSR have been through the ringer with Dune Players and BD formats.

It's either your dune player, network/firewall/switch, or bad encode of the ISO.

First time around I replaced EVERYTHING!!! except for the Dune Player. Swapped it out..and presto... ZERO STUTTERS. I couldn't play Chapter 6 of War of the Worlds via 1Gbps with CAT6 shielded cable without stuttering. After awhile common sense has to kick in doesn't it?

What did you invest in testing Jimmy.... 'bout 12gs?
post #5921 of 6075
Well, I am sad! I was watching some video on my Dune Base 3.0 from a local attached hard drive when there was a small "pop" and then a smell of a small electrical fire with just a whiff of smoke from the top of the Dune. It is now toast and of course as I bought it in December of 2009 I am well out of warranty. Sigh...anyone else have a Dune just give up the ghost like that?
I am hopeful that my Amex will cover it with the extended warranty though.
post #5922 of 6075
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Originally Posted by streamerlover View Post

Well, I am sad! I was watching some video on my Dune Base 3.0 from a local attached hard drive when there was a small "pop" and then a smell of a small electrical fire with just a whiff of smoke from the top of the Dune. It is now toast and of course as I bought it in December of 2009 I am well out of warranty. Sigh...anyone else have a Dune just give up the ghost like that?
I am hopeful that my Amex will cover it with the extended warranty though.

Have you tried taking the cover off to see if maybe it was just a blown fuse?
post #5923 of 6075
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Originally Posted by streamerlover View Post

Well, I am sad! I was watching some video on my Dune Base 3.0 from a local attached hard drive when there was a small "pop" and then a smell of a small electrical fire with just a whiff of smoke from the top of the Dune. It is now toast and of course as I bought it in December of 2009 I am well out of warranty. Sigh...anyone else have a Dune just give up the ghost like that?
I am hopeful that my Amex will cover it with the extended warranty though.

It may just be the PSU. Give Duneplayer.com a call and see if you buy the part. Not that hard to put in.
post #5924 of 6075
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Originally Posted by blackssr View Post
It may just be the PSU. Give Duneplayer.com a call and see if you buy the part. Not that hard to put in.
Was planning on doing some surgery on it....... first glance shows the fuse is still good! Even used a continuity tester on it. I tend to agree that it may be the power supply but am waiting to hear back from AMEX before I attempt further surgery. My attached hard drive came away ok so I did not lose any of my media. I also have a c200, neotv550, and a PBO flashed with Medeo firmware so I can at least watch my media. The Dune is my favorite though...
post #5925 of 6075
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Originally Posted by dropzone7 View Post

Have you tried taking the cover off to see if maybe it was just a blown fuse?

Not if you smell "electronic" smoke. Usually CAPS or Rectifier/diodes. Fuse could have blown in addition, look for white or black smoke. If you can't visually see it put your nose up close. You'll find where the smell is coming from. If it's cracked and burned beyond recognition...then what do you do? Wonder if Dune makers would tell you what it is if you sent a picture?
post #5926 of 6075
I just want to comment on picture quality for blu ray output. I know some are concerned about it incorrectly outputting 4:4:4 color space.

I could not see any difference for blu ray between the dune and my bdp-93, i used several tests discs, mainly the spears and munsil on my 1080p projector.

I do however want it to output 4:2:2, i think dropzone said they finally replied to his ticket. My flea noise reduction does not handle 4:4:4 properly, only 4:2:2. Plus in theory i dont want it touching or processing anything, just pass it to the display. Perhaps some peoples displays also dont like being fed 4:4:4 either. With the flea out of the chain it looks the same on my setup as the oppo.

For 1080i blu ray its a bit different. Not really a fan of sigma deinterlacing. Luckily I have a HQV realta processor, or the ABt 2015 for this. I prefer the realta however. Qdeo is of course much better in this regard then the dune's sigma chip, maybe the best deinterlacing of 1080i content i seen, although the realta hqv is nearly identical which is what i use, so the dune in my setup anyway is pretty much identical picture quality wise to the oppo.

Will love to see how future dunes do for deinterlacing when genum processing is added to the sigma chips. Genum being one of the best as well.

For 1080/24 blu ray which is 90 percent of my collection it looks the same as any proper blu ray i tested. As I learned from oppo support it is there general belief picture quality among 1080/24 blu ray should be the same among all players. In the 6 i tested (2 sony, 2 Oppo, 1 panasonic, and dune) the dune looks the same as all of them.
post #5927 of 6075
Fired my dune base and noticed that theres a new beta firmware v 110511_2007. Downloading it right now. New GUI/UI!
post #5928 of 6075
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Originally Posted by dazz87 View Post
Fired my dune base and noticed that theres a new beta firmware v 110511_2007. Downloading it right now. New GUI/UI!
Very nice to see. I was wondering what (if anything) they were up to. A pleasant surprise--assuming the firmware release notes (see attachment [NerdAlert!!]) reflect reality. But Dune's track record is excellent--"They're not like all the others."

The .CUE-sheet handling (for audio) makes me .

-- Uh Clem "Maybe I *will* get one."

 

DuneFirmwareUpdate-11May11.txt 16.5166015625k . file
post #5929 of 6075
Seems like a huge update. Downloading now.
post #5930 of 6075
Tried it. So far so good. Did not break any of the MyMovies IP control features but I did notice that my network browser is no longer showing any of my shares although they work fine via the MyMovies iPad app.
post #5931 of 6075
AHHHHHH, WTH!! A couple of days before this huge update mine has to go up in smoke??
dam it!
post #5932 of 6075
I'm always worried about doing firmware updates that things might stop working the right way.


How can I go back to an older firmware if I have problems?
post #5933 of 6075
Yes. I always save the older firmwares in case something breaks. So far there hasn't been any firmware that you could not turn back.
post #5934 of 6075
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Originally Posted by jet757f View Post

I'm always worried about doing firmware updates that things might stop working the right way.


How can I go back to an older firmware if I have problems?

If you have your Dune connected to the web you can downgrade the firmware to any previous version. Just go into settings and firmware update and tell it to display all. The update server is storing all past FW including all the betas. Then just select which one you want to apply.
post #5935 of 6075
Hello, Just got me a Dune Base 3.0!
Is there anyway to change the background image on the home page or make the icons smaller?
Many Thanks

PS forgot to add, whats the best 2TB HDD to use in the Base 3.0?
post #5936 of 6075
I installed the new beta firmware today and noticed two things.

1. My DVD rips are identified as PAL in the info box when playing, even though they are NTSC.

2. I noticed that my Dune slightly paused where the layer change would have been. It was very subtle and the only reason I noticed it was that the little clock type icon that appeared in the upper left of the screen where the layer change should have been. Weird thing is, when I ripped it I told ImgBurn to ignore the layer change.

BD rips seemed to play as normal, although the new firmware still doesn't address the problem with newer Universal and Warner BDs not playing in full disc mode.

Anyway, can anyone else verify the two issues above.

Thanks
post #5937 of 6075
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Originally Posted by haloguy628 View Post

If you have your Dune connected to the web you can downgrade the firmware to any previous version. Just go into settings and firmware update and tell it to display all. The update server is storing all past FW including all the betas. Then just select which one you want to apply.

Ok thanks I see it.
post #5938 of 6075
Just reading through the update and I don't see what I was looking for. Oh well, any update is better than nothing. I do appreciate the Shoutcast addition and new GUI will be fun to try. I am going to update my Base tonight and see how it goes.
post #5939 of 6075
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Originally Posted by dropzone7 View Post

Just reading through the update and I don't see what I was looking for. Oh well, any update is better than nothing. I do appreciate the Shoutcast addition and new GUI will be fun to try. I am going to update my Base tonight and see how it goes.

When scanning through the updates do you keep looking for "4 2 2" a lot?
post #5940 of 6075
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Originally Posted by streamerlover View Post

When scanning through the updates do you keep looking for "4 2 2" a lot?

As a matter of fact I do!
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