Dune HD Base 3.0 and Prime 3.0 on Sigma 8642 in Q4 2009 - Page 3

Thank you for all the replies.

So capability of macrovision is no Pro for Dune as it is completely irrelevant.

So the press release of HDI announcing its Dune 3.0 and its superior capability of Macrovision despite C-200 is clearly,..hm,... *****censored*****

Thanks. Yeah, the Oppo looks great, but actually both network media playback AND BR play are both important to me. My issue is whether to get:

Separates: [Dune HD Base 3.0 + Oppo BD 83]

or

All-in-One: [Dune HD Prime 3.0]


The key factor is how much better as a player the Oppo would be Vs. the Prime. Would it be enough better to pay an additional ~$400, basically?

I'm thinking that with BR alone, there might not be any difference. It would only be with all the old DVDs lying around that the Oppo's VP would shine (unless, that is, the Prime has at least decent VP capability.)

oppo with anchor bay video processing (same as in their dvdo products) will crush the processing in 864x chips for those who are fussy about video quality.

only you can decide if it matters to you or not

i know some people who claim that the existing 863x processing of video is perfectly fine for them.................it sure isn't for me.

Can logitech Harmony one remote be used to control dune players? (besides the learning option)
I haven't come across any dune devices that can be controlled by logitech harmony.

Interesting again :-)
Looks like Kostya got a point.

However, when reading the complete description on

http://books.google.de/books?id=ikxu...ponent&f=false

page 5-15

this is valid and requested only for DVD-players.

I may be wrong, but the C-200 is not sold as a DVD-player but as network-device, and so does not need to provide macrovision on component-output.

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"You have the wrong code above it is deemed a network device and therefore 0%, another reason NOT to include a BD ROMWink

Dear Customer,

We do declare all the PCH products in International Trade Customs tariff
number : 8517620090 "Other apparatus for the transmission or reception of
voice, images or other data, including apparatus for communication in a
wired or wireless network (such as a local or wide area network)" "

So I think this question won`t be answered here by us.

Whether it is tricking with "where and when Macrovision has to be or not" or tweaking (can`t see any cracking here) seems not to be answered as easily as I thought.

Kostya, you are very sure in`words, however I dont think there is reason for, but guessing why.

Let`s see whether some official statement on this will pop up.
Only then we will know

Surely I do not trust HDIs announcement, it is clearly "against competitor"-driven and no reliable souce.

There may be things beyond logic :-)

For me, if the picture quality of the BDs are equal (and they pretty much should be) and it does the things it advertises, then I’m going to relegate my Oppo BDP-83 to the bedroom. I don’t feel like adding another switch to my setup, so I can have 2 devices using the 5.1 Analogs on my receiver. I thought I’d like to have the SACD/DVD-A options, but it pales against the media player/Network options. I need a media player that can play my “backed up” BDs. I also have to dump my WD media player because it doesn’t work well with the BDs and it didn’t have component out. I was thinking of a Egreat EG-M34A, but now they said NetFlix streaming soon, I'll just stick with the Dune.

I just hope it load as fast as the BDP-83. That was a major plus.

My thoughts. 90% of PCH users use HDMI.

there is no logic buy 300USD device and use it for SD SIGNALS..


99% of PCH users just buy it for HD videos.. nothing else.


for SD users don't need to spend such huge amount of money. just buy DVD plays with USB DIVx etc. support for 60USD



Br.

Is there any sense watch Blu-ray on composite

Topic was not on composite alone, also on component, and that makes sense.

PCH just announed their response on the NMT forums.

"Component uses CGMS copy protection."

http://www.networkedmediatank.com/sh...1496#pid241496

However, werners post, the one before that one, stated:

"i wont go into details now because this would help HDI Wink, our solution is carefully checked with legal department and for sure there wont be any issue with macrovision and so not with component as i said!"

which kind of worries me about how legitimate it is.

The Talk is only about composite,
Component is working and protected with CGMS,
and there is no legal issue..


Br.

Why, oh why do we keep talking about the PCH C-200 on the Dune Prime 3.0 thread? They have a perfectly good working thread here. Just asking....

@Killroy
Why talking about C-200 in a thread about Dune? - Hmm, thinking,..still thinking,... oh yes,... HDI claiming Macrovision being a superior feature compared to C-200.
Leads to discussion whether HDI makes a point here.
As easy, isn`t it?

Result: No, it isn`t. Commercial DVD over component is no issue for C-200, so supporting Macrovision by HDI gives no added value.
Isn`t it all about comparison between competitive devices to make a choice?

So let's talk about flash memory...

How come there is such a big difference between the 2?
C-200 has 256MB, and hdi 3.0 have 1GB+?

What does the '+' means by the way, it's upgradeable?
What can we expect from such a difference? Is it because flash lite 3 or netflix futur support is planned to take a lot of space?

Also what will flash lite support mean for us? A new interface, user apps?

You need 1GB for BD-Live support. So with the C-200, user has to add it.


Nicer, faster user interfaces primarily. Helps with accessing some, but not all, websites.

Oh, so actually it's the same memory for both...
Reading HDi press release, it makes more sense now:

Also i did not realize that current hdi players had already a web browser included, i see the interest for flash now.

Thanks kjack :] (pretty nice to have someone from Sigma here )

Hi Kjack,

Do you know when will 8642 be mass produced?
Is 8642 A stable now or it will be Rev B for mass production?

I asked since China Hualu(Dune's supplier) is saying they are looking at the end of Oct to be the earliest for mass produce 8642 player.
Meanwhile Contel Shenzheng doesn't even have a plan for 42 yet.

Thanks.

According to Sigma Design brochure:

xxx.sigmadesigns.com/Products/SMP8640/pdf_files/bluray8642_btc_br.pdf
(I can't post link yet so, replace xxx with www)

"Macrovision copy protection on 480i, 576i, 480p and 576p analog outputs". While component is listed as "Analog YPbPr video". So to me that say Macrovision does not apply to component output.

Of course kjack from Sigma can give a definite answer.

It's in production.


They are waiting for our final firmware. Getting it to pass BDA certification (which we do to ensure our customers can get BDA certification easily) is rather challenging for non-technical reasons. The 8642 player in our demo room has been running 24/7 rock solid for weeks now.

I wrote the brochure...

Macrovision applies to any 480i, 576i, 480p or 576p analog output -- composite, s-video, and component.

So, technically, if popcorn hour upscales all video to 720p or 1080p through component (assuming you have an HDTV) before its outputted, there is no need for macrovision? Its needed only for SDTVs?

From what I understood it does not matter whether you are upscaling or not.
Whatever the guys at Syabas have done, they ensure there won`t be any drawback of lack of macrovision what belongs to component.
However they also clearly state on their webpage "no playback of protected (commercial) material over composite/S-Video.

Sure don't work on Component for me

Does anybody know if the dune hd base 3.0 will do true-hd and dts-hd ma to multichannel l-pcm ?