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post #31 of 95
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Originally Posted by Tinker View Post

Maybe this will eliminate the hacks/cheats since no mod's...lets hope.

You don't honestly think that this is the reason IW did this, do you?
post #32 of 95
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Originally Posted by mhufnagel View Post

You don't honestly think that this is the reason IW did this, do you?

I think he was just tryin to look at the situation from a "glass is half full" kind of perspective
post #33 of 95
Dude, there isn't even a drop of water around the glass for miles.
post #34 of 95
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Originally Posted by Yukon Trooper View Post

Dude, there isn't even a drop of water around the glass for miles.

Really, that glass is turned upside down and is sitting in Death Valley!
post #35 of 95
Hey, no complaining on the Internet! If a company gives you a nice tall glass of urine, you drink it.
post #36 of 95
Nice ... Steam + all that crap I think I am going to cancel my pre-order... What is the point to pre-order game if you will not get into online play for weeks due to server overload?
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post #38 of 95
The 2 best posts I've read on the topic today:

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Dedicated servers are like the public field where you go to play soccer, they're always there, they're nice to play on, and you get to know the people who play with you. Sometimes teams use them to play, sometimes people play pickup games, sometimes people just practice or play for fun.

Console Gaming is like playing soccer in your crappy, tiny, torn up backyard, only your backyard is right next to a preschool, and there's new kids there daily. These aren't normal preschoolers, they're ugly, stupid, and vulgar beings that either should have been aborted or survived. Not only this, but your soccer ball seems to be magnetically attracted to the goal, and all challenge is gone. As if this wasn't bad enough, on occasion your backyard will break down and you'll have to send it to Texas to get it fixed.

Screw backyard soccer, play in a field.

And this one just sums up all the new features that IW feels the PC community should feel lucky for getting.
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IW is making solutions for problems that do not exist
post #39 of 95
Another view

http://www.fourzerotwo.com/?p=745

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"Cheat / Hack Free Games: The biggest benefit of using IWnet by far is the fact that you don’t have to worry about joining a server full of aim-bots, wallhacks, or cheaters. Or relying on the server admin of the server to constantly be monitoring, banning, and policing it. Modern Warfare 2 on PC allows us to control the quality of the game much more than ever before as well as utilizing the VAC (Valve-Anti-Cheat) system to keep games clean of hackers and cheaters."
post #40 of 95
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Originally Posted by Tinker View Post

Another view

If you played any game with P2P hosting you would know that it is PR BS. Matchmaking is another story ... there usually 2-3 servers I am playing on and they all in my favorites tab. So for me "no more browsing through a Server List for a server with the settings" is a BS ...

PS PB is better than VAC ...
post #41 of 95
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Originally Posted by dim. View Post

If you played any game with P2P hosting you would know that it is PR BS. Matchmaking is another story ... there usually 2-3 servers I am playing on and they all in my favorites tab. So for me "no more browsing through a Server List for a server with the settings" is a BS ...

PS PB is better than VAC ...

I played a lot, I do mean a lot of MW1 MP. Sometimes the cheats got really out of hand even on PB servers on my fav hardcore servers. Unfortunately the Admin's are not always present. Anything to eliminate the cheats/hackers/bots is fine in my book.

No exp with P2P servers since I do not play console FPS MP. So I will wait and see that IW has to deliver before I condem them.
post #42 of 95
My 14 year old son plays a lot of multi-player on XBL. Let me say that if there is any glitch at all in the game, these kids will take full advantage of it. He's played more than a few games where he can sit and not get touched, sniping the whole time.
post #43 of 95
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Originally Posted by Tinker View Post

No exp with P2P servers since I do not play console FPS MP. So I will wait and see that IW has to deliver before I condem them.

Well I have no intention to spend 60$, register it on Steam (another BS because console can resale game, PC after steam not) and see if I like IWNET or not. I still play COD4/5, recently got Section 8 so I probably find how to kill my time until BF BC2 gets out or IW would fix MW2 ...
post #44 of 95
Even if the MW2 MP is crap...I will still get it for the SP. I Enjoyed CoD4 SP and I've spent many dollars for worst SP games (CoD5 sux's IMO) in the past.

Reselling games is not a concern for me personally since I never do. I still have games that are on 5.25" floppies for DOS and some that were for the APPLE II lying around LOL.

Only probm I have with STEAM is the l tend to hit activation limits on many games due to the Pub's (not STEAM) policies.
post #45 of 95
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Originally Posted by Tinker View Post

Reselling games is not a concern for me personally since I never do.

I'm the same way. I always have a weird desire to install every game I own on new builds, even the games that I don't really intend on playing.

As for Steam, there are a number of reasons why I like it. Chief among them are that no disc is required for playing (disc cracks don't always work for physical copies), backing up the game content is as simple as copying a folder, and it is backed by an overall good company. As you said, the other game publishers are also hell-bent on limiting user functionality.

I realize that nobody really attacked Steam itself, but if outside publishers are going to force limitations on how we play our games, then I would prefer it to be done through Steam. Also, resale values on PC games have historically been very poor. By the time you want to sell the game, a new copy is usually considerably lower in price than the original MSRP (although Modern Warfare 2 is a likely exception).
post #46 of 95
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Originally Posted by Tinker View Post

Even if the MW2 MP is crap...I will still get it for the SP.

I do not care much about SP. Even if I finish one. And I would probably get MW2 but not as pre-order. Gaming is not my only hobby so I find where to put $$ difference.
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Reselling games is not a concern for me personally since I never do. I still have games that are on 5.25" floppies for DOS and some that were for the APPLE II lying around LOL.

Not doing that also. But many do. Especially teens to get some cash for newer titles.
post #47 of 95
I can't believe all the complains from PC gamers, and attacking console gamers, that's so mature.

Someone asked IW why not support both options, IWNET and dedicated servers, and they said then users would be split.

I think that everything is hackable in a PC, so I can see a few weeks (or even days) after the game is released there'll be an unnoficial "patch" (hack from users) so you can use dedicated servers. You may lose some "benefits" but you'll be able to use dedicated servers.
post #48 of 95
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Originally Posted by rsra13 View Post

I can't believe all the complains from PC gamers, and attacking console gamers, that's so mature.

Complains are valid, attacks are not. It is a freedom of choice. I cannot stand consoles for FPS and RTS. And you have to admit that it is much much more players aged 8-14 on xbox (and 95% of them are chatting boxes or should I say "swearing boxes") than PC players.
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Someone asked IW why not support both options, IWNET and dedicated servers, and they said then users would be split.

now they would not have enough users to split.
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I think that everything is hackable in a PC, so I can see a few weeks (or even days) after the game is released there'll be an unnoficial "patch" (hack from users) so you can use dedicated servers. You may lose some "benefits" but you'll be able to use dedicated servers.

Why bother? It it like ... If you really want that apple and it is not for sale - would you steal it?
post #49 of 95
I don't know how things are today, but I used to play online via Xbox Live and found the users to generally be nice to play with. Sure, there were some ignorant racists (they exist no matter where you are) and downright hateful people, but the overall experience seemed fine.

Of course, that was years ago and around the beginning of when online console gaming was popularized. I have no idea about the way things are currently.
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post #51 of 95
For those still interested, Amazon is now offering a $20 credit towards another game if you pre-order.
post #52 of 95
8vs8 max for PC multiplayer...

It gets lamer and lamer...
post #53 of 95
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Originally Posted by DaveFi View Post

8vs8 max for PC multiplayer...

It gets lamer and lamer...


wow! that's inexcusable!
post #54 of 95
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Originally Posted by DaveFi View Post

8vs8 max for PC multiplayer...

It gets lamer and lamer...

well I was going to cut IW some slack...but 8vs8 in PC game...yeah thats real lame

So after MW2 SP, back to reloading CoD4 for MP...well maybe not since...already been there and done that (alot) and got the T-shirt.
post #55 of 95
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Originally Posted by DaveFi View Post

8vs8 max for PC multiplayer...

It gets lamer and lamer...

There really is no good excuse for that.

Were the console versions of the first Modern Warfare limited to 8 vs. 8?
post #56 of 95
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Originally Posted by MSmith83 View Post

There really is no good excuse for that.

Were the console versions of the first Modern Warfare limited to 8 vs. 8?

I am guessing yes...tho not 100% sure.

Since they are limiting the PC MP to 8vs8 and are trying consolize (word?) the PC version then let the PC PM'rs play vs the consoles types. That would settle the KB/M vs controller issue once and for all.....

I am trying to find the silver lining in all this...not my usual, the glass is half empty philosophy on life .
post #57 of 95
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Originally Posted by Tinker View Post

I am trying to find the silver lining in all this...not my usual, the glass is half empty philosophy on life .

There is always hope for anyone that the single player campaign will be absolutely mind-blowing. I really enjoy the single player aspect of the Call of Duty games, and not a single entry has disappointed me in that regard.

Also, the visual assets that are buried within the rather hefty 12GB footprint should look fantastic when maxed-out. Could it be the Crysis killer in the graphics department?
post #58 of 95
I've liked the single player, as well as the multiplayer, for the various COD games. I just don't feel that the single player w/ crippled multiplayer will be worth $60. I can definitely wait until the price drops or Steam sells it a considerable discount. If the multiplayer stays crippled then it will have to come in at under $20 for me to pick it up.
post #59 of 95
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Originally Posted by MSmith83 View Post

Could it be the Crysis killer in the graphics department?

Cryengine vs. IW 4.0? Do not think so...
post #60 of 95
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Originally Posted by dim. View Post

Cryengine vs. IW 4.0? Do not think so...

It was meant as a joke about how fruitless such comparisons can be.

That said, I will certainly post some glorious 1080p screen grabs of Modern Warfare 2 when I get it.
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