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post #1 of 16
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I'm sorry for starting a new thread. Can't seem to find the one I was on which brought me to purchase the this DVD/CD player.

My question is regarding how best to connect the Denon DVD-1940CI to my receiver/TV. I have an Onkyo TX-SR604 and a Samsung LCD I believe it's the 650, which both have have HDMI connectivity.

My question is, since the Denon upconverts to 1080, by connecting via the receiver's HDMI in/out(ie Denon to Onkyo to Samsung), will the quality of the picture when playing DVD's be effected in any way, since the Onkyo does not? I believe the Onkyo is 480. So if this is the case, I will then connect directly (Denon to Samsung).

That leaves me with audio: since I'm also using the Denon to listen to CD's. How then should I connect to enjoy what the Denon has to offer when listening to CD and SACD? Do you use the RCA connections?

Thank you!!!!!
post #2 of 16
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Originally Posted by AnthonyMX View Post

That leaves me with audio: since I'm also using the Denon to listen to CD's. How then should I connect to enjoy what the Denon has to offer when listening to CD and SACD? Do you use the RCA connections?

If you want the DAC in the Denon 1940ci to be utilized you should use the RCA outs. It's a good DAC so that's what I would advocate. Also, for SACDs you have to use the RCA outs anyways.
post #3 of 16
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Originally Posted by cacophony777 View Post

If you want the DAC in the Denon 1940ci to be utilized you should use the RCA outs. It's a good DAC so that's what I would advocate. Also, for SACDs you have to use the RCA outs anyways.

Cacophony:

Thank you. I'm somewhat confused. When you say RCA outs, are we talking just left and right or 5.1.

I'm setting this up for a 5.1, or at least I would like to.

Based on what I understand then, for watching DVD's, I go then direct via HDMI to the TV, correct? Then I would need to go from the TV to the receiver for listening in 5.1, correct? I don't know if that TV has an HDMI out or other source. Need to check.

As far as listening to CD's and SACD, then I need to connect the Denon Left/Right Front/surronds and sub via RCA to the Onkyo, is that correct? Assuming I have the inputs for that channel on the Onkyo. or is SACD just in 2.1.

So essentially, On the Onkyo, I'm using TV/DVD channel for wathcing TV/DVD and the CD channel or whatever suppots all those RCA's mentioned or 2.1 for listening, correct?

Once again, sorry for all of the confusion.

Thank you!
post #4 of 16
Use the RCA outputs for listening to SACD (and CD if you want).

Use the HDMI connection to the reciever for DVD's. HDMI will work better for DVD's because it will allow decoding in the reciever, and use it's more flexible bass management. If the player decodes, you are stuck with a fixed crossover (120hz, too high in my opinion).
post #5 of 16
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Originally Posted by WilliamZX11 View Post

Use the RCA outputs for listening to SACD (and CD if you want).

Use the HDMI connection to the reciever for DVD's. HDMI will work better for DVD's because it will allow decoding in the reciever, and use it's more flexible bass management. If the player decodes, you are stuck with a fixed crossover (120hz, too high in my opinion).

Thank you, William.

So it doesn't matter that the Onkyo is 480i? Isn't that a lower resolution than what the DVD and Denon supports?

Again thank you and I promise or at least hope not to ask such stupid quetions in the future.
post #6 of 16
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Thank you, William.

So it doesn't matter that the Onkyo is 480i? Isn't that a lower resolution than what the DVD and Denon supports?

Again thank you and I promise or at least hope not to ask such stupid quetions in the future.

Doesn't the Onkyo have a pass through mode? Not sure with the older Onkyo's. And can it process audio over HDMI?

If not, use the RCA's for SACD, HDMI direct to TV for video, and connect an optical cable to the reciever to decode DD, DTS, etc.
post #7 of 16
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Thanks again, William. According to the Onkyo site:

HDMI Bandwith up to 1080p
HDMI Version 1.1
Deinterlacing for HDMI Output (480i to 480p) -

Guess this means I'm ok!

So I'll just go through the Onkyo's DVD channel (Denon, Onkyo, Samsung) for playing DVD's.

And as for audio, use the Denon's RCA Left and Right out to the Onkyo CD Channel input.

Thank you!
post #8 of 16
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William:

Just one more question. Would connecting the Denon to Onkyo using an optical rather than rca improve the quality of the sound when listening to CD/SACD?
post #9 of 16
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Originally Posted by AnthonyMX View Post

William:

Just one more question. Would connecting the Denon to Onkyo using an optical rather than rca improve the quality of the sound when listening to CD/SACD?

Something has to convert the digital signal to analog. If you use the analog out in the Denon it uses the Denon's DAC (which is a high quality burr brown DAC). If you feed a digital output (eg. optical) to the receiver the conversion happens in your receiver. Which sounds better? That depends on how good the DAC is in the receiver, but I'd speculate the Denon DAC is superior.
post #10 of 16
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Great! Thank you!
post #11 of 16
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Originally Posted by AnthonyMX View Post

William:

Just one more question. Would connecting the Denon to Onkyo using an optical rather than rca improve the quality of the sound when listening to CD/SACD?


I would still recommend optical if you are using a sub, or any mode that does any processing. If you send the receiver an analog signal (RCA's) it will run it back through it's analog to digital processor, apply bass management, and then run it back through the DAC. This would negate any advantage to using the 1940's DAC and run the signal through two extra A/D D/A conversions. Personally, I doubt you will hear any difference between the two DAC's anyways.
post #12 of 16
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Thanks William and Cacophony once again for all of your help.

I sure hope this is a better CD player than a DVD player. I was hoping for an all in one, but I was not impressed by the quality of the picture from the 1940ci. Maybe it's just me, it probably is. I did connect it directly to the Samsung via HDMI, bypassing the receiver and the picture just seemed grainy to me. The blacks and background were pixilation and the overall picture was not quite there to me. And the remote seemed somewhat archaic. Since it was late, I did not have a chance to try the CD capability. But to be honest, I've already packed it back in its box ready to ship back, but I'm still debating on trying it for CD's since I got it so cheap ($89) and that is the promary purpose of this machine. Sorry for the rant and apologies if this post offends anyone who likes their 1490ci. I am certainly no AV expert, at all. It's just my opinion.

Thanks again
post #13 of 16
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Originally Posted by AnthonyMX View Post

Thanks William and Cacophony once again for all of your help.

I sure hope this is a better CD player than a DVD player. I was hoping for an all in one, but I was not impressed by the quality of the picture from the 1940ci. Maybe it's just me, it probably is. I did connect it directly to the Samsung via HDMI, bypassing the receiver and the picture just seemed grainy to me. The blacks and background were pixilation and the overall picture was not quite there to me. And the remote seemed somewhat archaic. Since it was late, I did not have a chance to try the CD capability. But to be honest, I've already packed it back in its box ready to ship back, but I'm still debating on trying it for CD's since I got it so cheap ($89) and that is the promary purpose of this machine. Sorry for the rant and apologies if this post offends anyone who likes their 1490ci. I am certainly no AV expert, at all. It's just my opinion.

Thanks again

The picture should be excellent. There is a picture setting that Denon has turned on by default, it ruins the black levels, supposedly a black level enhancement. The setting is not in the regular menu's, it's sort of hidden.

Put in a disc, and start the movie. Press the "mode" button until you see a gray box in the left top corner of the TV. It will say "ON", change it to "OFF". The picture will be much improved. I have no idea why Denon has this turned on by default, or why it's even an option.

If that's not it, maybe it's a defective player.
post #14 of 16
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Originally Posted by WilliamZX11 View Post

The picture should be excellent. There is a picture setting that Denon has turned on by default, it ruins the black levels, supposedly a black level enhancement. The setting is not in the regular menu's, it's sort of hidden.

Put in a disc, and start the movie. Press the "mode" button until you see a gray box in the left top corner of the TV. It will say "ON", change it to "OFF". The picture will be much improved. I have no idea why Denon has this turned on by default, or why it's even an option.

If that's not it, maybe it's a defective player.

Excellent. Thank you, William. I ended up connecting it again last night. I will give it a try. Either way, I think I'm stuck with it because if you take the price of shipping this thing back (about $25), I really only end up with $60 credit to my card. And I'm sure it's worth just having the SACD at that price anyway.

Again, thank you!
post #15 of 16
No, no, no,no unless it is truely defective, do NOT ship the 1490ci back! Make the recommended adjustments and see if the PQ improves, it should. I own one of these as my primary DVD player and it is the best I have owned out of 4. All the others were Panasonics.
It will play HD DVDs, SACDS, even some PALs! I have it connected through an Onkyo 705 to a Sammy 40-inch LCD and after some adjusting on the 1940ci the blacks are blacks and the whites are whites and everything is lovely. It blows away the PQ of broadcast cable in my area at least.
Yeah, I struggled with it at first until I figured out how to adjust it.
I paid $89 for mine as well and it blows away the others I had in the past which ran $230 to $250 each and they were junk compared to the 1940ci!
What you really have is a $400 DVD player! It also has decent DAC and other stuff in it. I have it hooked up so I can choose to have the 1940ci process the sound and upconvert or have the Receiver process the sound. (My Onkyo has passive HDMI so the 1490ci always upconverts).
post #16 of 16
Hi everyone, I am a new one and I am an entry level.

Does anyone can help me?

I have a Denon AVR-689, but its HDMI can't transmit audio signal (only video). Now, my PVR connects to AVR-689, and AVR-689 connects to TV. They are both using HDMI for video. PVR connects to AVR-689 using Optical for audio. So PVR's audio can go to AVR-689.

Now I am going to buy a Denon DVD-1940ci. My purpose is using AVR-689 to switch DVD, CD/SACD and PVR. I am not sure if I can make the following connection:

1. DVD-1940ci connects to AVR-689 using HDMI only for its video
2. DVD-1940ci connects to AVR-689 using Coaxial and Analog audio connectors simultaneously.

So, when I switch AVR-689 to CD, I can listen CD/SACD. when I switch DVD, I can watch DVD, and I switch to TV, I can watch TV (PVR).

I am not sure if I can get the audio signal from Coaxial and Analog port simultaneously. and any good sugguestion for this case connection.

Thanks a lot.
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