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post #3571 of 3620
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Originally Posted by Tooley View Post

Any one else have the problem of dust in the lense 4 big white dots on my screen driving me nuts epson has not responded sent forth email 10 min ago

I has one dust dot on a re-furb unit in the lower right hand corner, but since the rest of the p[j settings were better than the first, I lived with it without much notice. Instead of e-mailing, you should call them.
post #3572 of 3620
I'm an 8500UB owner (purchased in August 2010), and am incredibly frustrated with Epson's customer service lately. Anyone else having issues?

Long story short, I'm on my fifth projector. Each one I get has HUGE dust problems or some other major issue (like not turning on...).

I've been jerked around by tech support and customer service. Quite honestly, I'm not sure what to do. I've exhausted every avenue and I can't seem to get any answers or reasonable solutions to my issues. I finally found an email address on their Facebook page, and tried that. Here's the letter I sent, explaining my situation.


To whom it may concern,

I was hoping you could assist me with an issue I’ve been having, and the very poor customer service I’ve received while trying to get things resolved.

First, I’d like to say that, in the past, Epson customer support has been exemplary. I’ve always been treated very well- fast turnaround time, courteous support representatives, frequent communication. In fact, I used to put Epson on the same level as Apple, which in my opinion is the gold standard of customer support. Lately, however, I am seriously questioning that position.

In late October, I noticed that my third 8500UB projector had another problem with dust. In short, dust gets inside the unit and obscures portions of the projected image. A quick Google search will yield numerous other examples of this issue and other frustrated customers. This is the exact same problem that plagued my three previous projectors, and each of them were replaced quickly by Epson. The projector is being used in a largely dust-free environment as well.

I called technical support, explained the problem, and like in the past, I was sent an email with return instructions. A few days later, I called back and asked if I could keep the projector until late December because I host weekend football parties at my house. The rep I spoke to explained that it was not an issue, and to use the same return instructions.

On December 30th, I sent the projector back, according to the instructions I received. Inside the box, I included the requisite information (reference number, name, address, and phone number).

According to the Fed-Ex tracking number, the unit was delivered to Indiana and signed for on January 5th. The next week, I still hadn’t received the replacement projector, so I called tech support.

In total, I was on hold almost 40 minutes while the rep tried to figure out why my replacement projector had not been sent out. He then explained to me that I should not have waited until December to send back the unit, and that the case had expired. I explained that the previous rep had explained it was not an issue. The rep I spoke to made it seem like it was entirely my fault.

He told me that they had to verify that the projector was, in fact, in the warehouse in Indiana, and that a customer relations rep would call me first thing the next morning.

The following night, I had still not received a phone call. I called back and again, sat on hold for 30 minutes. The rep explained that they must have forgotten to call me and that, again, they’d call the next morning. I explained that this was not good enough and I had no faith that anyone would call. He assured me that someone would call the next morning.

Another day passed and still no phone call. I called again, sat on hold for far too long, and got no answers. They explained that someone would call on Monday morning (it was Friday the 13th). I told him again that this was unacceptable, and asked to be transferred to customer relations. He said they didn’t have the direct number (“we only push a button,” he said) and that they couldn’t transfer me. I requested that he “push the button,” get someone on the line, and ask for their direct number. Instead, he initiated a three-way-call with a customer relations rep.

I walked the rep through the issue, expressed my displeasure about the situation, and was promised that they’d ship out the replacement first thing Monday morning when the warehouse opened. On Monday morning, I received an email from Margaret C. in customer relations.


Dear Mr. Mundt,

Please accept our apologies for the delay in getting your replacement projector sent to you. Our warehouse was able to locate the defective one you sent in and will be shipping that replacement today for delivery tomorrow. The shipment has been marked "Signature Required". If you contact us later this afternoon, we should be able to provide a tracking number for you.

Margaret C
Customer Relations



I was satisfied with the email and planned on receiving my projector this week. Unfortunately, I did not receive the projector on Tuesday or Wednesday. Today (Thursday) I called tech support (as I could get no one to give me a direct number to customer relations) and asked for the tracking number. Again, I was put on hold.

When the rep returned, I was told that the projector had not been sent out and that they don’t have any in stock. I asked when stock was to be replenished and he said “there’s no way I can answer that.” I asked if they could send my original projector back in the meantime, or if they could send out an interim replacement, or if they could send me the next available model number above the 8500UB. I was told “no” for all three suggestions.

So, basically, I’m stuck in limbo. I don’t have my projector and have no idea when I will get it. No one can give me any answers and I’m stuck in an endless loop of clueless and rude tech support representatives. Meanwhile, my $2,500 investment is nowhere to be seen.

Now, if I had not called, how long would the projector have sat in the warehouse? Even though I included all of my contact information, I received no communication. I also received no communication stating my projector had not been sent out on Monday, as stated in the email.

Each person I talk to pawns me off on someone else instead of trying to resolve the issue. I’m tired of being bounced around and promised resolutions to my issue. If I cannot get a reasonable resolution to my issues, I will promptly file a claim with the Better Business Bureau.

For the last year, I have recommended Epson projectors to many of my friends and relatives. In fact, I'm considering purchasing a Powerlite Pro Cinema 6010 as a replacement for the 8500UB, but will be reconsidering both.

Brian


As an update to this letter I sent... I did finally receive my projector (they sent it last Friday and I received it on Saturday. In a final kick to the balls, the unit I got had a dust problem much, much, much worse than my previous unit. And, on top of that, the lamp exploded after 2 hours of use.

So, I'm at the end of my rope. Anybody have any recommendations?
post #3573 of 3620
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Originally Posted by BrianMundt View Post

I'm an 8500UB owner (purchased in August 2010), and am incredibly frustrated with Epson's customer service lately. Anyone else having issues?

Long story short, I'm on my fifth projector. Each one I get has HUGE dust problems or some other major issue (like not turning on...).

I've been jerked around by tech support and customer service. Quite honestly, I'm not sure what to do. I've exhausted every avenue and I can't seem to get any answers or reasonable solutions to my issues. I finally found an email address on their Facebook page, and tried that. Here's the letter I sent, explaining my situation.


To whom it may concern,

I was hoping you could assist me with an issue I’ve been having, and the very poor customer service I’ve received while trying to get things resolved.

First, I’d like to say that, in the past, Epson customer support has been exemplary. I’ve always been treated very well- fast turnaround time, courteous support representatives, frequent communication. In fact, I used to put Epson on the same level as Apple, which in my opinion is the gold standard of customer support. Lately, however, I am seriously questioning that position.

In late October, I noticed that my third 8500UB projector had another problem with dust. In short, dust gets inside the unit and obscures portions of the projected image. A quick Google search will yield numerous other examples of this issue and other frustrated customers. This is the exact same problem that plagued my three previous projectors, and each of them were replaced quickly by Epson. The projector is being used in a largely dust-free environment as well.

I called technical support, explained the problem, and like in the past, I was sent an email with return instructions. A few days later, I called back and asked if I could keep the projector until late December because I host weekend football parties at my house. The rep I spoke to explained that it was not an issue, and to use the same return instructions.

On December 30th, I sent the projector back, according to the instructions I received. Inside the box, I included the requisite information (reference number, name, address, and phone number).

According to the Fed-Ex tracking number, the unit was delivered to Indiana and signed for on January 5th. The next week, I still hadn’t received the replacement projector, so I called tech support.

In total, I was on hold almost 40 minutes while the rep tried to figure out why my replacement projector had not been sent out. He then explained to me that I should not have waited until December to send back the unit, and that the case had expired. I explained that the previous rep had explained it was not an issue. The rep I spoke to made it seem like it was entirely my fault.

He told me that they had to verify that the projector was, in fact, in the warehouse in Indiana, and that a customer relations rep would call me first thing the next morning.

The following night, I had still not received a phone call. I called back and again, sat on hold for 30 minutes. The rep explained that they must have forgotten to call me and that, again, they’d call the next morning. I explained that this was not good enough and I had no faith that anyone would call. He assured me that someone would call the next morning.

Another day passed and still no phone call. I called again, sat on hold for far too long, and got no answers. They explained that someone would call on Monday morning (it was Friday the 13th). I told him again that this was unacceptable, and asked to be transferred to customer relations. He said they didn’t have the direct number (“we only push a button,” he said) and that they couldn’t transfer me. I requested that he “push the button,” get someone on the line, and ask for their direct number. Instead, he initiated a three-way-call with a customer relations rep.

I walked the rep through the issue, expressed my displeasure about the situation, and was promised that they’d ship out the replacement first thing Monday morning when the warehouse opened. On Monday morning, I received an email from Margaret C. in customer relations.


Dear Mr. Mundt,

Please accept our apologies for the delay in getting your replacement projector sent to you. Our warehouse was able to locate the defective one you sent in and will be shipping that replacement today for delivery tomorrow. The shipment has been marked "Signature Required". If you contact us later this afternoon, we should be able to provide a tracking number for you.

Margaret C
Customer Relations



I was satisfied with the email and planned on receiving my projector this week. Unfortunately, I did not receive the projector on Tuesday or Wednesday. Today (Thursday) I called tech support (as I could get no one to give me a direct number to customer relations) and asked for the tracking number. Again, I was put on hold.

When the rep returned, I was told that the projector had not been sent out and that they don’t have any in stock. I asked when stock was to be replenished and he said “there’s no way I can answer that.” I asked if they could send my original projector back in the meantime, or if they could send out an interim replacement, or if they could send me the next available model number above the 8500UB. I was told “no” for all three suggestions.

So, basically, I’m stuck in limbo. I don’t have my projector and have no idea when I will get it. No one can give me any answers and I’m stuck in an endless loop of clueless and rude tech support representatives. Meanwhile, my $2,500 investment is nowhere to be seen.

Now, if I had not called, how long would the projector have sat in the warehouse? Even though I included all of my contact information, I received no communication. I also received no communication stating my projector had not been sent out on Monday, as stated in the email.

Each person I talk to pawns me off on someone else instead of trying to resolve the issue. I’m tired of being bounced around and promised resolutions to my issue. If I cannot get a reasonable resolution to my issues, I will promptly file a claim with the Better Business Bureau.

For the last year, I have recommended Epson projectors to many of my friends and relatives. In fact, I'm considering purchasing a Powerlite Pro Cinema 6010 as a replacement for the 8500UB, but will be reconsidering both.

Brian


As an update to this letter I sent... I did finally receive my projector (they sent it last Friday and I received it on Saturday. In a final kick to the balls, the unit I got had a dust problem much, much, much worse than my previous unit. And, on top of that, the lamp exploded after 2 hours of use.

So, I'm at the end of my rope. Anybody have any recommendations?

Sounds like a disaster. I'm curious, did they not give you the option to put the replacement on a credit card which is then credited when you return the
one you have? This way you will not be without a pj, and can test to insure the replacement is not worse than the unit in hand. This is how it was done last year with Epson. I wouldn't give up. Make a call to a senior quality control tech, or manager.
post #3574 of 3620
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Originally Posted by cdnscg View Post

Sounds like a disaster. I'm curious, did they not give you the option to put the replacement on a credit card which is then credited when you return the
one you have? This way you will not be without a pj, and can test to insure the replacement is not worse than the unit in hand. This is how it was done last year with Epson. I wouldn't give up. Make a call to a senior quality control tech, or manager.

I would check with the retailer you bought it from, and if you have a good relationship with them, they may be able to put pressure on Epson.
post #3575 of 3620
Thanks for the replies, guys. I purchased the projector from Amazon-- anything I could do there?

I did have the option to hold onto the projector while they sent me the new one, but they wanted to put a $2,000 hold on my credit card, which I just couldn't do at the time.

My emails have gone ignored (even when I replied to the email posted above) and I get calls from a different customer relations rep every day. I feel like no one really understands the extent of my poor experience. In fact, just the other day, I had a rep suggest I call tech support again! It seems like one of those situations where the infrastructure and procedure they have in place is ill-equipped to handle this type of situation.

Does anyone know the email address of a higher-up? Maybe an executive that could cut through all the crap?
post #3576 of 3620
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Originally Posted by BrianMundt View Post

Thanks for the replies, guys. I purchased the projector from Amazon-- anything I could do there?

I did have the option to hold onto the projector while they sent me the new one, but they wanted to put a $2,000 hold on my credit card, which I just couldn't do at the time.

My emails have gone ignored (even when I replied to the email posted above) and I get calls from a different customer relations rep every day. I feel like no one really understands the extent of my poor experience. In fact, just the other day, I had a rep suggest I call tech support again! It seems like one of those situations where the infrastructure and procedure they have in place is ill-equipped to handle this type of situation.

Does anyone know the email address of a higher-up? Maybe an executive that could cut through all the crap?

I have been in the same boat 4 emails 3 calls and my sales rep has tried 3 times still nothing Epson is slowly losing my respect and my business and I average 15-30 projector sales a year for them my start leading my clients to other manufacturers.
post #3577 of 3620
The 8500UB is my first projector, so I don't have any frame of reference... Do other projectors have the same problems with dust? My house is largely dust free. In fact, I just purchased a top-of-the-line air purifier, which further removes dust from the air, and still, I get the huge dust blobs. It seems that, no matter what I do, dust gets in there and ruins it. Is it a design flaw with the projector itself?
post #3578 of 3620
Well, I finally managed to get the number of some higher-ups at Epson, for everyone else having trouble.

866-734-2652, option 2 should get you to someone who may be able to help. I'm still working through my issues, though. I'll update when this gets resolved.
post #3579 of 3620
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Originally Posted by BrianMundt View Post

Well, I finally managed to get the number of some higher-ups at Epson, for everyone else having trouble.

866-734-2652, option 2 should get you to someone who may be able to help. I'm still working through my issues, though. I'll update when this gets resolved.

Thanks for the number I will try tomorrow.
Good luck
post #3580 of 3620
Quick update:

I finally spoke with some people who are truly interested in helping, which is a very nice change of pace!

They offered me two options; a brand new Epson 9350, which comes with a renewed 2-year warranty. Obviously, the visual quality would be a step down, but that extended warranty is tempting.

They also offered me a refurbished 9700UB. Since it's refurbished, the 2-year warranty is not renewed, and I'd have until August until my warranty is up.

What do you guys think I should do? Right now, I'm leaning towards the 9700UB, but as it's the same design as the 8500UB, I'm assuming the dust problem is just as prevalent.

I may also opt for the 9700UB, sell it, and upgrade to the 5010.
post #3581 of 3620
whatever is close to what the 8500 is imo. Like you said you can always sell it.

I have the 8500, but I'm not even sure i'd trade up to a 5010 cause of the lag issues it has.
post #3582 of 3620
I have had my 8500 since Oct 2010, and have been pleased with it's performance (no issues at all.). It replaced a Sharp DPL which was getting on in years but at 3000 hrs still had it's original lamp. The Picture on the 8500 was a bit dark earlier this week and as I was expecting the lamp would not come on last night and the red lamp indicator was blinking. A quick phone call this morning and they are overnighting a new lamp! I do have the high altitude option on to run the fan more than normal, but should I expect more life from the replacement Lamp? Also, any suggestions on where to purchase a lamp to have on hand in the post warranty future?
post #3583 of 3620
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Originally Posted by MGotcha View Post

I have had my 8500 since Oct 2010, and have been pleased with it's performance (no issues at all.). It replaced a Sharp DPL which was getting on in years but at 3000 hrs still had it's original lamp. The Picture on the 8500 was a bit dark earlier this week and as I was expecting the lamp would not come on last night and the red lamp indicator was blinking. A quick phone call this morning and they are overnighting a new lamp! I do have the high altitude option on to run the fan more than normal, but should I expect more life from the replacement Lamp? Also, any suggestions on where to purchase a lamp to have on hand in the post warranty future?

I'm on my second lamp, and this one is reading 1369 hours. It started to dim a few days ago according to my wife, and I just noticed it today. My first lamp lasted maybe half that, from what I remember, and Epson sent a replacement. I have the 9500, which came with two bulbs, and I am pretty sure the one in there now was the spare that came with my unit, not the replacement they sent. Supposedly, the newer bulbs will last longer (they are rated for something like 3000hrs, I think). I am going to call them to get a replacement because this one is still under warranty, as they extended the bulb warranty to match the projector's main warranty!
Once my warranty is up in January 2013, I'm looking for a new projector. Hopefully there will be affordable, good quality LED ones by then.
post #3584 of 3620
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Originally Posted by deathstroke View Post

I'm on my second lamp, and this one is reading 1369 hours. It started to dim a few days ago according to my wife, and I just noticed it today. My first lamp lasted maybe half that, from what I remember, and Epson sent a replacement. I have the 9500, which came with two bulbs, and I am pretty sure the one in there now was the spare that came with my unit, not the replacement they sent. Supposedly, the newer bulbs will last longer (they are rated for something like 3000hrs, I think). I am going to call them to get a replacement because this one is still under warranty, as they extended the bulb warranty to match the projector's main warranty!
Once my warranty is up in January 2013, I'm looking for a new projector. Hopefully there will be affordable, good quality LED ones by then.

My bulb "popped" 2 days ago. I installed my 8500 the first week of June2010. I estimate under 1000 hours on it. Have not dismounted from the cathedral ceiling yet (difficult to do, so waiting until new bulb arrives) so don't know if bulb shattered. Had not had any noticeable dimming or previous problems. Unit is a foot or more down from ceiling so heat (especially at 8,500 feet) unlikely to be a problem. Did have it set on high altitude. Called Epson yesterday and they are sending a replacement. Overall I really enjoy still the 8500. At least at this point I'm not interested in 3-D. So I'll probably skip the 3-D generation upgrade unless the projector fails.
post #3585 of 3620
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Originally Posted by mclark2 View Post


My bulb "popped" 2 days ago. I installed my 8500 the first week of June2010. I estimate under 1000 hours on it. Have not dismounted from the cathedral ceiling yet (difficult to do, so waiting until new bulb arrives) so don't know if bulb shattered. Had not had any noticeable dimming or previous problems. Unit is a foot or more down from ceiling so heat (especially at 8,500 feet) unlikely to be a problem. Did have it set on high altitude. Called Epson yesterday and they are sending a replacement. Overall I really enjoy still the 8500. At least at this point I'm not interested in 3-D. So I'll probably skip the 3-D generation upgrade unless the projector fails.

Picture got even dimmer so I called Epsom and they are sending a new one. I popped in the first replacement from last year's incident and it's a LOT brighter now. I just have to ride out the burning smell these bulbs give off for the first few days...
post #3586 of 3620
Thought I'd post an update about my situation. It has now been 6 weeks since I sent in my projector, and I still don't have a replacement. Last weekend, I was forced to cancel my Super Bowl party because I didn't have a display (the projector is my primary). Last week, I was told they'd receive the projector this Wednesday, test it, and send it out the same day. Well, nothing went out today.

I've been in communication with customer relations almost daily. Apparently, they're testing every 9700UB they get in, and each one is faulty. But really, is that my problem? Give me a new projector that is on par (picture-quality-wise) with my 8500UB. And, I'm sorry, but the 9350 just doesn't cut it. It's not right to make a customer wait 6 weeks for a resolution to a very simple issue.

Though I'm glad they're "testing" them, I'm at the end of my rope. Each day that goes by is a day that eats away at my very time-sensitive warranty.
post #3587 of 3620
Another update-- after testing even more projectors, they still haven't found one without issues. They offered me a full refund, which was very generous of them. Even though my 8500UB threw a great picture, I'll collect my money and invest in a different company and product.

I'm just thankful the end to the fiasco is finally in sight...
post #3588 of 3620
Congrats to you! Please keep us updated on when you actually get your money back and its replacement.
post #3589 of 3620
I finally got a response from epson after 4 weeks of phone calls emails by myself and my dealer they said they will send me another 8500UB we will see how long this will now take was hoping to get better service from them considering I spend on average $35,000 a year on there products
post #3590 of 3620
Good news they overnighted a 8500 for me just picked it up from my dealer now to see if it works
post #3591 of 3620
Good luck. I'm waiting on bulb number 4 or 5..looses 70-80% brightness at about the 700-800 hour mark..

This is probably the last Epson product I buy. Too bad because the picture is nice when the bulbs are not failing , getting one without frozen focus rings, dead pixels galore, noisy iris, loud fans, etc...

edit: all the physical issues were with a 6500ub. The 8500UB is a much better projector minus the bulb scenario.
post #3592 of 3620
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Originally Posted by neekos View Post

Good luck. I'm waiting on bulb number 4 or 5..looses 70-80% brightness at about the 700-800 hour mark..

This is probably the last Epson product I buy. Too bad because the picture is nice when the bulbs are not failing , getting one without frozen focus rings, dead pixels galore, noisy iris, loud fans, etc...


I just ordered my first bulb after 1200 hours. The only good thing is that the price of the bulb is $125 and I used to pay $300 for a bulb for my Sony projector! I agree that the fan is loud but it was also loud on the Sony.
post #3593 of 3620
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Originally Posted by tjenkins95 View Post


I just ordered my first bulb after 1200 hours. The only good thing is that the price of the bulb is $125 and I used to pay $300 for a bulb for my Sony projector! I agree that the fan is loud but it was also loud on the Sony.

The bulb warranty has been extended to the length of the main unit's warranty. If you still are in that period you should call and get a free bulb!
post #3594 of 3620
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Originally Posted by deathstroke View Post

The bulb warranty has been extended to the length of the main unit's warranty. If you still are in that period you should call and get a free bulb!



Thanks for the tip! I called Epson support and they are sending me out a replacement bulb. Since I already received the one I ordered from Amazon I will put it in the closet until I need it.
Thanks again!!
post #3595 of 3620
Anyone had periodic spurts of dimming? My 8500UB has recently started going dim for a second or two, then back to normal. Seems to happen kinda' randomly. At first, I was afraid it was a sign of the bulb going bad, but it's just over 1,600 hours and still pretty bright, even on ECO. It's almost like what it does when the iris is on normal, but the iris is totally turned off.

I checked all my connections thinking maybe it was some weird HDMI issue, but nothing changed. It's almost like the voltage drops for a second then comes back. I'm running it through a UPS to protect the bulb in case of brownouts/outages, so I wouldn't think it's a voltage fluctuation. Very odd.

Any ideas?
post #3596 of 3620
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Originally Posted by Jeremy Anderson View Post

Anyone had periodic spurts of dimming? My 8500UB has recently started going dim for a second or two, then back to normal. Seems to happen kinda' randomly. At first, I was afraid it was a sign of the bulb going bad, but it's just over 1,600 hours and still pretty bright, even on ECO. It's almost like what it does when the iris is on normal, but the iris is totally turned off.

I checked all my connections thinking maybe it was some weird HDMI issue, but nothing changed. It's almost like the voltage drops for a second then comes back. I'm running it through a UPS to protect the bulb in case of brownouts/outages, so I wouldn't think it's a voltage fluctuation. Very odd.

Any ideas?

If you're under warranty, call Epson and hope they send you a replacement that isn't worse than the one you have. Consider the possibility before you decide to send yours back, unfortunately!
post #3597 of 3620
Weird... I'm wondering if it was a cabling issue after all. Rerouted some cables at my AVR to hook up an Adcom GFA-5503 I snagged from eBay and I didn't see any of the dimming last night. Keeping my fingers crossed, 'cause I don't want to roll the dice on a warranty replacement with this one being so good.
post #3598 of 3620
Thanks for the tip on the replacement bulb. I bought my 8500UB in June 2010. The bulb went out on it yesterday. I think I had around 1800hrs on it, original. The past 6 mos it seemed dimmer and I was using the brighter living room and dynamic modes more. Overall I am very pleased with the projector and Epson customer service is overnighting a new bulb today, no charge, can't beat that.
post #3599 of 3620
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Originally Posted by tjenkins95 View Post

I just ordered my first bulb after 1200 hours. The only good thing is that the price of the bulb is $125 and I used to pay $300 for a bulb for my Sony projector! I agree that the fan is loud but it was also loud on the Sony.

Be careful with that cheaper bulb. A lot of the reviews on amazon for the $125 bulb are poor at best. One said it was made in China and does not have the same clips that the OEM bulb has.
post #3600 of 3620
For the people that got the replacement bulb from epson, did u have to return the old one?
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